Tiger II Armor and Gun Useless

[Thot Be Gone]

What's the point of having the tiger 2s around anymore? They got rid of the maus, the 105, and the panther 2. At this point does it really matter if they take out the tiger 2s. The tiger 2 sits at a br of 6.7 yet 6.3 tanks can already negate it's armor completely. The russian IS-2 can go straight through the upper plate, not just the turret. Even so if you do get penned, 9/10 times the whole tank explodes due to using tnt as armor. The gun can't pen any modern tank from the front, but the tank itself can be penned by every other tank in it's br, and below it's br. I'm no genius, but isn't the point of a heavy tank to bounce enemy shells? I don't see a point in a tank where you have to rely on the enemies stupidity and hope they show their sides. At a br of 6.7 most people are ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ competent. And before some ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ glorious white knight comes in defending the tiger 2. NO SNIPING DOES NOT WORK IF THE TANK CANNOT PENETRATE THE ENEMY ARMOR FROM 500M. Even if you're top tier, you will be one shot before you can even get into position, for the most part, I'd say the tiger 2s are dead. At one point in time they used to be good, now they die, even if they're at the top. But go ahead, defend a useless tank. You know you're going to do it, and we all know this game will never be balanced.

[Botboy3]

The Tiger 2P and the Tiger 2H are perfectly fine where they are. They have no issues dealing with a majority of tanks around their BR with some exceptions to full 1.0 uptiers. I cannot speak for others but I can consistently get 5-10 kill games in both of these machines even under a full uptier.

It is important to remember that you have to learn how to use a tank to properly do well. If you are having issues with it you can consult the internet or youtube but these machines are fine where they are. They have great armor and a great gun you just have to learn how to use and adapt.

[83athom]

引用自 DevilDaRebel：

引用自 83athom：

Thank German main like the OP and the first guy that commented. They're the ones that dragged the M48 from 7.0 all the way down from 7.7.


If we're counting APCR, like you're obviously doing for those 5.7 tanks, then the Tiger IIH is capable of penetrating the IS-4 from the front.

Gee, I never realized I was responsible for bringing a tank's B.R down. Especially said Tank that I've never even mentioned once. Do I sense some salt?

German mains (including you I've seen at least once): "The M48 at 7.7 is OP and better than our Leo in every way!"

Gaijin: *Gives Germany a better version of the 90mm armed M48 at the same BR*

Next Update: "Due to player statistics and poor performance, we are moving the German M48 to 7.0 from 7.7."

Not salt when it's historically accurate.

[DevilDaRebel]

引用自 83athom：

引用自 DevilDaRebel：

Gee, I never realized I was responsible for bringing a tank's B.R down. Especially said Tank that I've never even mentioned once. Do I sense some salt?

German mains (including you I've seen at least once): "The M48 at 7.7 is OP and better than our Leo in every way!"

Gaijin: *Gives Germany a better version of the 90mm armed M48 at the same BR*

Next Update: "Due to player statistics and poor performance, we are moving the German M48 to 7.0 from 7.7."

Not salt when it's historically accurate.

Post it or don't put words in my mouth. I don't remember the last time I played anything higher than 6.7 In Germany. I play 8.0+ USA. Lmfao, like I would find a mere Patton "OP" I don't even like them. The audacity on this clown.

[Silverlance]

Honestly just drop the Tiger II, dont use it, its ♥♥♥♥, go for the Panther tanks, they work way better all of them than the tiger II. The Tiger II is shamefully bad in this game compared to what it meet, not weird though when its facing many tanks that just have way superior tech. fully unlocked Tiger II and its without doubt the tank that has felt the most frustrating tank to play and one of the worst ones.

[PFC Demigo [29th ID]]

引用自 Warrior priest：

Honestly just drop the Tiger II, dont use it, its ♥♥♥♥, go for the Panther tanks, they work way better all of them than the tiger II. The Tiger II is shamefully bad in this game compared to what it meet, not weird though when its facing many tanks that just have way superior tech. fully unlocked Tiger II and its without doubt the tank that has felt the most frustrating tank to play and one of the worst ones.

You make it sound like you have a L2P issue with the Tank....

[Silverlance]

引用自 ♋️LunarCainEX🐶：

引用自 Warrior priest：

Honestly just drop the Tiger II, dont use it, its ♥♥♥♥, go for the Panther tanks, they work way better all of them than the tiger II. The Tiger II is shamefully bad in this game compared to what it meet, not weird though when its facing many tanks that just have way superior tech. fully unlocked Tiger II and its without doubt the tank that has felt the most frustrating tank to play and one of the worst ones.

You make it sound like you have a L2P issue with the Tank....

Yeah probably, Tiger II felt like a tank that got one shot more or less every single time, while when using the panther tanks in same battles I could just stand and take hit after hit, taking some damage, bouncing a lot of them. Playing the german tanks became a lot more fun when skipped using the tiger II and just went for panthers and ferdinand instead.

Its probably why i feel like the tiger tanks are the least of my worries as well when i play against them.. most other tanks, are a bigger threat.

[Blazed_minD]

Feel like people are expecting realistic/ historic results from a tank but their experience of it has been purely in Arcade Battles...

Yeah it's armour feels historically in-accurate, no German player will argue that. But don't forget it get's a top speed of 44km/h and amazing acceleration in comparison to the under powered version the Germans were actually fielding. Honestly I'd take it's stats with a grain of salt when it comes to arcade.

If you want a heavy tank to start feeling like it should, use it in R.B where players cant armour assist your weak spots.

[Ģ◊иℤ◊⚡ℤ∀муpΛй]

TIger2 fights T54's this is really simple the t54 bounces alot of you fight them properly even tho they are more modern.

[PFC Demigo [29th ID]]

Funny enough I had to use Panther II Stock Ammo or Jagdtiger HE to deal with the T-54

[Dakota]

引用自 Shore：

People that dont play germany mocking german players for pointing out reality, the absolute state of this community.

Its more of people who play germany AND other nations mocking people who only play germany and don't see how easy germany has it. There's 0 reality in the statement that germany is suffering outside of their teams being terrible.

[PFC Demigo [29th ID]]

I mean I play German, Brits and Japan and Some British Tanks and Japan ESPECIALLY at Tier 3 they can barely do anything against Tiger H1/E or specifically Tiger II frontal.

They can kill Tiger II by shooting the side of the Turret (Not frontal Cheeks) while the Tiger H1/E, this is only from my Experience, I had to go almost point blank range and shoot the front where the Ammo rack is mainly the Left side since I don't want to take chance there might be actual Smart German Players to avoid carrying too much Ammo for the Right Ammo Rack. If I'm lucky I can shoot their sides completely.

[sauron2012]

Carrying only 18-22 Shells in Tiger II (every versions) is very smart move. You can avoid one shooting in this tank, and good players don't need much more ammunition to be honest. For example I'm carrying only 20-30 max shells in every tanks to avoid ammo rack explosions.

There should be some kind of tutorial for players, that will show them how to play propertly with every single tanks in game. That could also end every "Balanced issues". I personaly don't have problems with playing Tiger II (H), but I find also small amount of fun in this vehicle, compared to others. (Great Tiger II 10,5cm and Panther II are at BR 7.0, but gives a lot more fun)

The best way to play Tiger II (all versions) is to choose good position with gun depression or stick with team as support, with NOT rushing as shield or try to be a hero. Better to also avoid 1vs1 close combat, and never take an enemy chance to aim our turret, Shoot and quickly hide is good option to play, every barricade, building or cover is your best friend. Also its worth to little move turret into 30 degree angle from enemy, to not be killed in reloading time. There is 50% of chance enemy will try to kill you and will shoot with non-pen. (or will kill you... heh happends versus 7.7 USA tanks :D)

[Obi-Wan]

So I've gone through the painful process of reading every reply (not that I remember them) of this thread. First of all, the OP is right, to a point at least. The mobility IS awful. No matter how much you deny it, it is awful. It's not MAUS level of mobility, but it is bad. The first Tiger did not have that much armor, but it had better mobility. Second of all, there is this thing at 6.3 called the Suka Pershing, which WILL bounce 9.9/10 times you shoot it. The lower plate is not a reliable place to shoot, but when you're lucky, you can pen, provided you are at 500m away at most. Forget about the upper plate. The turret ring is a penetrating shot but it's hard to pull off. You 1) don't have the time to aim the shot 101% 2) it's a minor target. You can forget about the cupolas. The SP has magical tubes stuck in front of them and every time you shoot the cupola you get red magical tubes and that's it. The rest of the heavies, aka the T29, T30, T34 are a penetrating shot only on the lower plate, and not always. The IS-3 is .... complicated. Expect to die. The IS-4 is even more so. Contrary to popular redarded belief, you cannot flank it in a Tiger II nor can you snipe it. Too little mobility and too much armor. The T32 is a beast. Let's face it. The gun isn't good outside of its BR, unlike the Jagdtiger, only that tank is even more sluggish and the reload is god awful. Though when top tier, the Tiger II H IS a beast itself. I've constantly got anywhere from 3 to 7 kills in a Tiger II H when top tier. I had 2 tanks at one point in my front at 6.7, an M18 and a M41 with stock ammo. Nope, no pen. I did kill them though.

Now, the Tiger II is becoming redundant though, because of the Swedish vehicles mostly. They can "lolpen" you every ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ time.

[Not online!!!]

TBF, feature creep is the name of the game.

Considering the new swedish 6.7