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AyKira 2020. máj. 4., 4:46
Vehicles & planes Gaijin HAVE TO REMOVE from game.
Couple months ago, Gaijin removed Maus and Panter II because "they were only prototypes, not historically correct , also they never fought in any historic battle, and therefore they doesnť fit at any BR". So we should help Gaijin find more prototypes and make this game fair play againe. Lets start with Russia.
GAIJIN HAVE TO REMOVE:   

- Object 279

- Object 906

- Object 120

- Object 685 

- KV 220

- KV-2 zis 6

- KV-122

- T-34-100

- T-34-122

- T-44-122

- SU-100Y

- IS-6

- IS-7



if you know about more vehicles or planes, add them here, so gaijin can remove them from game in next patch. Thanks for making game fair play againe. 
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Kattints ide a hozzászólásra ugráshoz.
Eredetileg közzétette: Blitzkrieg Wulf:
AyKira eredeti hozzászólása:
Couple months ago, Gaijin removed Maus and Panter II because "they were only prototypes, not historically correct , also they never fought in any historic battle, and therefore they doesnť fit at any BR". So we should help Gaijin find more prototypes and make this game fair play againe. Lets start with Russia.
GAIJIN HAVE TO REMOVE:   
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Dear Diary,

Today I have come across thread 9,001 about the removal of Panther, Maus, and Tiger 10,5. It is again that players are drawing false parallels and demanding retribution without really reading what exactly happened or why.

When will they read, or re-read the article[warthunder.com] that starts off by saying "We have previously mentioned our plans to hide vehicles that were never fully materialized in real life as a complete vehicle, prototype or test vehicle."

When will they stop insisting that "ThE mAuS wAs ReMoVeD!" when the article states, "As such, with Update 1.91 the Maus will become a rare event collectable vehicle [and will] be obtainable in future events and other opportunities later in the future."

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Dear Diary aside:

April 17, 2018: [warthunder.com]
Q. Is it true that there are some plans to remove the Panther II and King Tiger 10.5cm ?
Such plans have been considered for a long time....... The fact is that these vehicles were included in the early stages of the game and it was necessary during this time...... And now we have some other vehicles to replace them.

April 30, 2019: [warthunder.com]
Q. Some time ago, you said that the Panther II and Tiger II 105mm were going to be removed and replaced. Is this still the case?
Plans are in motion; just in order to get the equipment out of the game, we need several replacement machines ready, and until they are all ready, we cannot just remove these.

August 13, 2019:[warthunder.com]The official announcement.

August 22, 2019:[warthunder.com]
Q. Currently, the community has an active discussion regarding the Maus. Many players are upset that this tank will disappear from the regular research tree. A lot of questions about the possibility of obtaining it after the release of 1.91 because the information which we published in the devblog was that the vehicles which will be withdrawn and will become “event” vehicles. Can you tell us a bit more about it?
We are closely following this discussion, and we can clarify our position in detail. First is the fate of the "paper" or "project" vehicles. Such vehicles and self-propelled anti-aircraft guns (Tiger 105, Panther II, Flakpanzer 341) will be hidden from the regular research tree and will remain on the accounts of any players who already have it. Also, players who have already started the research of these vehicles will be able to research it to the end and then purchase in the regular way with Silver Lions.

We don’t plan to return these vehicles to the game in any form, as it contradicts the very reason for their withdrawal from the game. So you do have a last chance to get these in the conventional way - just begin researching the vehicles before the next major update (1.91) which is planned to be released at the beginning of the Autumn.

In addition to the tanks that have already been announced, in order to replace the ones that are being withdrawn, in the future, others will be added to fill the gaps in the BR at this range.

Secondly, the Maus. The reason for the withdrawal from the main research tree is a bit different. The tank was added to the game as the required “top ranked” tank under the conditions where we limited the historical period of vehicles for the 1950’s. In this situation, we considered the introduction of the Maus justified because it made the German ground vehicles research tree competitive. However, with the expansion of the research tree and the addition of postwar main battle tanks, the German research tree received tanks comparable to the top ranked vehicles from other nations and perhaps even better in some aspects. On the other hand, the Maus has remained in a borderline condition and its balancing is complicated by the presence of almost all-round powerful cannon proof armouring, in terms of protection against calibre armour-piercing shells and on the other hand by low mobility.

Lowering the BR below its current level, as required by its statistics, is quite difficult, as a large number of its new enemies will not be able to penetrate it, while leaving it at the current BR means regular encounters with tanks with high mobility and shells that can penetrate its protection from any distance.

The Maus will be hidden and moved from the main research tree to the event and premium vehicle area, so the number of such vehicles in battles will be reduced which will probably allow us to balance it in the future more freely. We also plan to open it for research for a limited time in the future under the same conditions as we hid it. This will not happen often, but we do expect it to happen regularly, at least once a year. We don’t plan for Maus to appear on the War Thunder market; so the tank will remain researchable but under limited conditions.

September 11, 2019: [wiki.warthunder.com] Update 1.91. (So after being allowed two weeks, they gave you very nearly an entire month, not to obtain them, merely to start researching them.)




Before you make a thread like this: Know and understand (Please note: I did not say 'agree with') why the vehicles were removed. Certainly, there probably are other vehicles that fall under the same description as to why these four were removed, but the vast majority of the vehicles you have listed, do not.

One cannot expect any result from a blanket demand when the entire thing pivots on a false equivalence.
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The Wiggly Armed Man 2020. máj. 4., 5:06 
The Panther II never existed and the Maus wasn't removed for historical reasons, they just couldn't balance it.
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Kozi 2020. máj. 4., 5:08 
Remember it was the COMMUNITY that wanted those vehicles removed (except the Maus).
Stop crying about something you asked for.
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Illusionyary 2020. máj. 4., 5:09 
Shovel Knight eredeti hozzászólása:
The Panther II never existed and the Maus wasn't removed for historical reasons, they just couldn't balance it.
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Slyke 2020. máj. 4., 5:09 
Want some fries for that salt?
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NilkkiHiiri 2020. máj. 4., 5:10 
almost every vehicle in that list is easily destroyable. I dont see a problem here
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Shard 2020. máj. 4., 5:12 
Can Blitzkrieg Wulf come and paste the same reply as always? Thanks.
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Mao 2020. máj. 4., 5:13 
I don't care. i got all of them. Actually, there is one that I would remove from USSR: Obj. 279. By the way, if you start removing stuff, Sweden is out of the game.
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Lunovus 2020. máj. 4., 5:26 
Shovel Knight eredeti hozzászólása:
The Panther II never existed

One hull was built (and still exists), like half of the turret planned for the Panther II was also built (and also still exists).

Gaijin just put a turret on it that would not have been able to be fitted in RL.
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Illusionyary 2020. máj. 4., 5:34 
Lunovus eredeti hozzászólása:
Shovel Knight eredeti hozzászólása:
The Panther II never existed

One hull was built (and still exists), like half of the turret planned for the Panther II was also built (and also still exists).

Gaijin just put a turret on it that would not have been able to be fitted in RL.
Yes, but the one we have in-game is 100% fictional. The real Panther II would basically be pointless as the Panther F is basically the same tank.
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The_Illuminati_Confirmed 2020. máj. 4., 5:51 
Lol salt much, the Panther 2 never made it past mockup stage, the Maus was a balancing NIGHTMARE, and also never fired a single shot, unlike all the OBJ's listed that have had one or more protoypes built for the testing of drivetrain and armament.
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The Wiggly Armed Man 2020. máj. 4., 5:53 
Lunovus eredeti hozzászólása:
Shovel Knight eredeti hozzászólása:
The Panther II never existed

One hull was built (and still exists), like half of the turret planned for the Panther II was also built (and also still exists).

Gaijin just put a turret on it that would not have been able to be fitted in RL.
No it doesn't, the 8.8 cm couldn't fit in the turret like it is shown to in the game. It never existed in that form and couldn't have.
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Lunovus 2020. máj. 4., 6:12 
Shovel Knight eredeti hozzászólása:
Lunovus eredeti hozzászólása:

One hull was built (and still exists), like half of the turret planned for the Panther II was also built (and also still exists).

Gaijin just put a turret on it that would not have been able to be fitted in RL.
No it doesn't, the 8.8 cm couldn't fit in the turret like it is shown to in the game. It never existed in that form and couldn't have.

If you write basically the same I have written, why put a "No it doesn't" in front of it?
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DevilDaRebel 2020. máj. 4., 6:17 
Lunovus eredeti hozzászólása:
Shovel Knight eredeti hozzászólása:
No it doesn't, the 8.8 cm couldn't fit in the turret like it is shown to in the game. It never existed in that form and couldn't have.

If you write basically the same I have written, why put a "No it doesn't" in front of it?
He is just correcting your mix up. It's the gun that didn't fit, not the turret.

The Panther 2 was proposed to improve a major weak spot of the Panther. Basically, early Panthers didn't have side skirts. This allowed Russian anti-tank rifles to penetrate them by the side rather easily... The Panther 2 was supposed to fix this and improve on it. But after realizing that they could fix the Anti-tank rifle problem by adding side skirts. The idea was scrapped.

The Panther 2 was supposed to have more side armor, and frontal armor. Not the exact armor the Panther 2 has in this game, 10-20mm less on all parts. And the turret was basically the F turret you see in the game but with the long 75mm that the F has.
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Lunovus 2020. máj. 4., 6:21 
DevilDaRebel eredeti hozzászólása:
Lunovus eredeti hozzászólása:

If you write basically the same I have written, why put a "No it doesn't" in front of it?
It's the gun that didn't fit, not the turret.

The Panther F (the RL paper one, as it never was built) was planned with the Schmalturm and the 8.8.
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Lunovus 2020. máj. 4., 6:25 
Illusionyary eredeti hozzászólása:
Yes, but the one we have in-game is 100% fictional. The real Panther II would basically be pointless as the Panther F is basically the same tank.

Just that the Panther II was built (well one hull and half of the turret), while in game having the turret of the Panther F.

And the Panther F was never built, was planned with the turret the Panther II now has in game, and the in game version has the turret built for the Panther II.
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