Kv 1 C needs to be nerfed

[Skibidi Rizzler]

this thing is borderline OP at its br, out performs anything in its tier

[HowieTheHowitzer]

Publicado originalmente por Stridswombat:

Publicado originalmente por ColdHefeweizen:

"So you think a heavy tank with a 35km/h top speed and a gun with 140mm of APHE pen AND APCR should be at the same BR as a heavy tank with a 20km/h top speed and 105mm of solid shot maximum"

ffs dude do you just want every heavy tank to be a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ churchill then? Youre complaining that a tiger has a gun or that the Germans and Soviets actually understood how to make heavy tanks instead of a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ and insignificant churchill tank. How entitled or ignorant are you to be upset that the KV and Tiger are proper heavy tanks that 1) performed or fit their role well during the war 2) fit the playstyle of the game? You must be a kid if you really are whining about a tiger tank having armor and a good gun. jesus youre ridiculous.

No, I want tanks to be balanced. And if you think these 2 tanks are equal you're out of your mind.

The Tiger has 100mm of angle able hull armour. The turret is now 140mm+ for most of it due to having volumetric armour. It's at a BR where it fights 76mm Shermans with 149mm guns whom it both outpenetrates and can with relative ease resist being penned by. Yeah I'm whining about the Tiger because someone has to counteract the whining of German players that got the game into this ridiculous state to begin with.

Dude you just want all vehicles to be the same. There's no way I can find common ground with a reh-tarded kid that rationalizes the game the way you are.

[Stridswombat]

Ahh yes, I am retarded. Says the guy that can't spell it. Uh-huh. Impeccable argument.

You're right. I do want all vehicles to be the same, in balance. That's the whole point with matchmaking. As it stands now though, they very clearly are not. The PZIV H was and belongs at 4.3. A heavy tank gets the same gun at 4.7. That's not balance. Other heavies actually have to sacrifize firepower to get armour. We have the T14 sitting at 4.7. The Mk 7 Churchill at 4.7. The M6a1. Neither have the combination of armour and firepower the KV gets.

But clearly you're biased so you're going to say the same regardless.

[HowieTheHowitzer]

Publicado originalmente por Stridswombat:

Ahh yes, I am retarded. Says the guy that can't spell it. Uh-huh. Impeccable argument.

You're right. I do want all vehicles to be the same, in balance. That's the whole point with matchmaking. As it stands now though, they very clearly are not. The PZIV H was and belongs at 4.3. A heavy tank gets the same gun at 4.7. That's not balance. Other heavies actually have to sacrifize firepower to get armour. We have the T14 sitting at 4.7. The Mk 7 Churchill at 4.7. The M6a1. Neither have the combination of armour and firepower the KV gets.

But clearly you're biased so you're going to say the same regardless.

Obviously that was meant sarcastically, youre either dense or you just dont understand informal English. You want vehicles to basically not be the way they were in real life. You probably wish you can get in a sherman or a firefly and never see anything challenging to fight such as a tiger. War Thunder does not seem like a game for you if you really are having a hard time with KV tanks used by newer players.

I'm bias and so are you, Mr. I cant kill a KV so I'll cry about it. I love all sorts of tanks to include the sherman firefly or the Stug III. KVs are not even my favorite nor have I used them in a long time, but youre belief that all heavy tanks need to have bad guns and be really slow is idiotic. I'd suggest you play something else like World of Tanks if REALISTIC vehicles are really getting to you.

[Stridswombat]

Oh I want the vehicles to be the way they were historically. But matchmaking should have nothing to do with that. Matchmaking so just be based on performance, nothing else. But nice ad hominems.

[Stridswombat]

For the record, neither the M6a1 nor the T14 are slow. They just have their armour, mobility and firepower nicely balanced out and don't have an excess of either. The KVIC however has no drawbacks. It's just flat out way better performing than any of the Soviet KV's. It goes from having the gun of a 3.7 medium at 4.3, to having the gun of a 4.3 medium which is balanced by its armour at 4.7.

[MJN]

"mimimi im bad pls nerf my enemies"

[HowieTheHowitzer]

Publicado originalmente por Stridswombat:

For the record, neither the M6a1 nor the T14 are slow. They just have their armour, mobility and firepower nicely balanced out and don't have an excess of either. The KVIC however has no drawbacks. It's just flat out way better performing than any of the Soviet KV's. It goes from having the gun of a 3.7 medium at 4.3, to having the gun of a 4.3 medium which is balanced by its armour at 4.7.

there are draw backs, but you dont seem to know what youre talking about because 1) you are still noob to the game or 2) never took the time in the hangar or online to educate yourself on the matter. Somehow you will still ignore what I said and pretend that your points are somehow valid and not just you whining because you hate KV tanks.

[HowieTheHowitzer]

Publicado originalmente por 𝕸𝖆𝖗𝖈𝖊𝖑:

"mimimi im bad pls nerf my enemies"

lol seriously, that summarizes everything

[Sobolewski]

Publicado originalmente por ColdHefeweizen:

Publicado originalmente por Stridswombat:

For the record, neither the M6a1 nor the T14 are slow. They just have their armour, mobility and firepower nicely balanced out and don't have an excess of either. The KVIC however has no drawbacks. It's just flat out way better performing than any of the Soviet KV's. It goes from having the gun of a 3.7 medium at 4.3, to having the gun of a 4.3 medium which is balanced by its armour at 4.7.

there are draw backs, but you dont seem to know what youre talking about because 1) you are still noob to the game or 2) never took the time in the hangar or online to educate yourself on the matter. Somehow you will still ignore what I said and pretend that your points are somehow valid and not just you whining because you hate KV tanks.

I'm not the most inclined person to agree with our resident swedish-biased boy, but he's got perfectly good points, at least as far as the KV-1C is concerned ( I don't quite agree with the assessment on the KV-1's vs the Churchills), and also about Tiger Is and Sherman 76s being at the same exact battle rating.

Just as having "Strid" (swedish for "Combat" I believe) in his nickname stinks of Swedish fanboyism, your nickname also stinks of German fanboyism (pretty sure Hefeweizen is a german word or name). And you're also slinging ad hominens ("reh-tarded kid!!!!"), avoiding countering most arguments and just generally being very poor in making your case.

If anyone here looks like a whiny kid, it's you. One who seems to be fixated on stopping their favorite toy from being taken away.

I'll stop my assessment of how childish you are being while calling other people childish here.

[Stridswombat]

How am I a fanboy? I play all the trees nearly equally. Except China because yeah... But yeah the KV-1 L-11 is clearly better than the Mk 3 Churchill. It sits at a lower BR, has overall better and more reliable armour without the Churchills frontal weakspots and thicker side/rear armour, it's faster and in general has a better gun. Rather have 76mm APHEBC than 57mm solid shot. Even at 4.0 it would be a better tank. The fact that it sits lower is just insulting.

All the KV's needs to go up a notch, including the KV-85, laughably sitting lower than the T-34/85. The Tigers also needs to go up. The M6a1 while good could probably go up to 5.0 since it does most things better than the M4a1 at 5.0. The Mk 1 Churchill needs to go up after the 2-pounder buff. The Jumbo is fine now that it went up, though I do think the 76mm version could go down to 5.7 again.

In general most heavy tanks are just undertiered and braindead to play compared to the mediums with practically the same guns at the same BR. How can anyone in their right mind argue that they aren't when we have 76mm armed mediums sitting at 5.0-5.7 fighting equally or better armed heavies?

How are mediums supposed to compete with tanks that have about the same guns, much better armour and aren't even much slower than them.

Light tanks have speed. Medium tanks are versatile. TD's have firepower. Heavies, with a few exceptions, just have everything right now.

[HowieTheHowitzer]

Publicado originalmente por Sobolewski:

Publicado originalmente por ColdHefeweizen:

there are draw backs, but you dont seem to know what youre talking about because 1) you are still noob to the game or 2) never took the time in the hangar or online to educate yourself on the matter. Somehow you will still ignore what I said and pretend that your points are somehow valid and not just you whining because you hate KV tanks.

I'm not the most inclined person to agree with our resident swedish-biased boy, but he's got perfectly good points, at least as far as the KV-1C is concerned ( I don't quite agree with the assessment on the KV-1's vs the Churchills), and also about Tiger Is and Sherman 76s being at the same exact battle rating.

Just as having "Strid" (swedish for "Combat" I believe) in his nickname stinks of Swedish fanboyism, your nickname also stinks of German fanboyism (pretty sure Hefeweizen is a german word or name). And you're also slinging ad hominens ("reh-tarded kid!!!!"), avoiding countering most arguments and just generally being very poor in making your case.

If anyone here looks like a whiny kid, it's you. One who seems to be fixated on stopping their favorite toy from being taken away.

I'll stop my assessment of how childish you are being while calling other people childish here.

Actually, no. I just find cold wheat beer enjoyable :)

My favorite trees in the game are American/British/Soviet vehicles so thats where my bias lies for the most part. My favorite tree in real life is the aspen tree.

I already made my case why the KV1C should not be upt to 5.0+ is because it wont stand a chance against 6.0+ matches, trust me because I know from my own experience by using it in higher br lineups that I also enjoy playing from time to time.

Then again, with centurions being moved up there may be a different case but there is also the fact that the german 75s on pz iv and so on drastically lose their effectiveness. BR decompression has been needed as you and I probably know.

If you look back you can see I've offered counter arguments and even sympathy and all I have been met with are the poor assessments youve pointed out. I dont care about insults or what you think about them, its your choice to be upset by them even if its been misspelled in a sarcastic manner as I have also mentioned.

I'd say your assessment is inaccurate but thats how you perceive things and thats that.

[Flavalicious]

So I just bought this thing to help in the Maus grind.... Yea its a bit broken lol. On average its taking 30-50 hits for someone to knock me out. The only real threat is another KV1 and only if the player knows where to shoot. Ive been bullying kids and making like 8k RP every game....

Its disgustingly strong at its BR for the sale price of 800 Eagles.

[bunny]

Publicado originalmente por Flavalicious:

So I just bought this thing to help in the Maus grind.... Yea its a bit broken lol. On average its taking 30-50 hits for someone to knock me out. The only real threat is another KV1 and only if the player knows where to shoot. Ive been bullying kids and making like 8k RP every game....

Exactly. I think the ones who disagree with OP are the ones who are using it.

[Skibidi Rizzler]

Publicado originalmente por z:

Publicado originalmente por Flavalicious:

So I just bought this thing to help in the Maus grind.... Yea its a bit broken lol. On average its taking 30-50 hits for someone to knock me out. The only real threat is another KV1 and only if the player knows where to shoot. Ive been bullying kids and making like 8k RP every game....

Exactly. I think the ones who disagree with OP are the ones who are using it.

I have it and i use it. if you dont think its OP you are delusional, easiest wager grinder by far

[Sobolewski]

Publicado originalmente por Stridswombat:

How am I a fanboy?

Some time ago you were whining about how your precious Cuckvagn 103 autoloader wedge was getting frontally oneshot by Panthers at long range (somehow) and was just too weak for 7.7 whereas everyone else agreed the thing was indeed a nearly unstoppable menace for most 6.7s (mind you, most people never even mentioned uptiering it, just said it was understandable that 6.7 players find it really hard to deal with). And also saying how Swedish tanks in general were overtiered, the tech tree was too skeletal and such.

Whatever the case, I'm actually taking your side here so I'm not sure what you intend to accomplish suddenly changing targets to me. I'm way too tired of discussing in WT forums to elaborate on why I think you're picturing the KV-1s in general as way stronger than they are (mind you, they're strong - I don't contest that).

But I too back the statement that some heavy tanks right now have way too much going for them in comparison to medium tanks at the same BRs, the KV-1C included, and that's what actually matters for the discussion here.