Sweden tanks BR too low for how they perform?

[CSKA'Николаи]

Is it just me or are people having troubles at penning some of their vehicles (in particular STRV 103), my HEAVY tanks are becoming useless as I can not deflect their shells neither can I kill it, and not trying to pen a tiny spot around the gun is not the option here.

If we look at T-34/76 1942 (3.7), I can ricochet the Jagdpanzer 38t (4.3) and in return can disable it and kill it.

AMX-30 1972 (7.7) against STRV-103 (7.7) shoots the tank and then nothing, it shoots me back and dead ........

AMX-50 Surbaisse (8.0) can not kill STRV-103 (7.7), tried a few times near the weak spots and deflection ......., in return I die.

I used to hate going up against Italians, but Sweden has taken it to a new level, surely there is some BR changes planned in the future, to think STRV-103-0 used to be a 7.3 :O

Funny how many people in game are complaining about it, never knew people knew how to use chat.

[Læms]

well the tree just came out, you need to wait and see how things play out

[Ichigo]

people will be grinding the tree, if they know people perceive the STRV's as totally broken and OP they are going to exploit that point of view to make the grind easier

[Stridswombat]

Originally posted by Mirage:

It's because Swedish tanks are so garbage that the only way to make them work is to make them fight things from many years before, but at the same time they still have access to post war weapon systems, autoloaders and shells.

Ok firstly they're not really post-war tanks. They're upgunned WW2 tanks that were still kept in service. Sticking a new gun on an obsolete tank to make it more useful doesn't make it a post-war tank.

Secondly many of these vehicles were designed during WW2 and only built after the war because of production delays. Shockingly enough vehicle development and production takes longer for smaller countries. Strv m/42 DT for example was being worked on in 1944, but due to the delays in production only had the turret finished in 1946. So that so called "post-war" auto-loader isn't. The same applies to pvkv m/43. Started work in 1943, delays caused production to only finish in 1946.

Lastly what are these "post-war weapon systems" you speak of? What do they have that's particularly post-war? Strv m/42 DT was being worked on in 1944 so you can't claim the auto-loader. They don't have NV or stabilizers. APDS existed during WW2 aswell and that's the closest thing to post-war anything you get and only because they stayed in service for a long time.

Why are you so salty every comment I see you make about the subject?

[Stridswombat]

Originally posted by ProfessionalGoyim:

Sweedish tanks have ruined this game

Seriously debating on whether or not to quit WT atm. They have no intentions of balncing these tanks, tanks that can literaly pen and one shot just about everything they meet. Please, for the love of god, give these tanks there proper br.

Have you actually played these vehicles you're complaining about? If you had you would see how rubbish 105mm HEAT with no armour, a low-velocity gun and a 13 second reload is. Do you seriously just go good penetration = good tank without putting any more thought into it?

Most of these tanks are rubbish at the BR they have placed them purely because of penetration.

[CSKA'Николаи]

Originally posted by AttackerCat:

Edit: Merged topics.

With any new vehicles there tends to be a rush of people playing them, there were similar calls when US TDs came out, when ATGM tanks came out, the first composite MBTs, etc.

If you have a team made of nearly entirely one type of vehicle it can be perceived that the whole tree is an issue, but frankly if you had a full team of Jumbos or a full team of BMPs, it would seem as if they were invincible.

Give it a few weeks for the shiny new-ness to die down, teams even out and it will be more reflective of daily games.

People had issues with BMP? Oh my never would of thought?

Jumbo is one of those tanks that when it is at its BR and lower it over performs, considering if you are in a match where you got more narrow areas. However once wants you meet a tank like Nashorn, IS-2 or Panther A with APCR, it can be taken out rather easier. Taking on a team full of Jumbos will be a nightmare though.

Originally posted by Stridswombat:

Originally posted by ProfessionalGoyim:

Sweedish tanks have ruined this game

Seriously debating on whether or not to quit WT atm. They have no intentions of balncing these tanks, tanks that can literaly pen and one shot just about everything they meet. Please, for the love of god, give these tanks there proper br.

Have you actually played these vehicles you're complaining about? If you had you would see how rubbish 105mm HEAT with no armour, a low-velocity gun and a 13 second reload is. Do you seriously just go good penetration = good tank without putting any more thought into it?

Most of these tanks are rubbish at the BR they have placed them purely because of penetration.

There is a tank at a lower BR, got a rather larger gun can not remember the name, but my tank that relies on armour can not withstand a shell from it, neither can I pen it considering that I think it is lower BR than my tank.

STRV-103 has been an issue for my tanks that do not have any sort of HEAT type of shell, even then at times my HEAT shells just do nothing to it.

[Stridswombat]

Originally posted by 3xA'Николаи:

There is a tank at a lower BR, got a rather larger gun can not remember the name, but my tank that relies on armour can not withstand a shell from it, neither can I pen it considering that I think it is lower BR than my tank.

STRV-103 has been an issue for my tanks that do not have any sort of HEAT type of shell, even then at times my HEAT shells just do nothing to it.

There isn't any. Ikv 103 is at 6.0 with 18mm of frontal armour. Sav m/43 is at 3.0 with 50mm of mostly flat frontal armour. The Lago I has 34mm of frontal armour. None of these tanks have armour that's competitive at their BR or even completely immune to autocannon fire from the front.

I mean just look at it. Sav m/43 is at a higher BR than the Sherman howitzer, but without a turret, with weaker armour, less crew, worse mobility and a 13 second reload. Ikv 103 is at a higher BR than a Panther with practically no armour, a top speed that's underperforming by 4 km/h, a low-velocity fixed gun and again a 13 second reload. HEAT doesn't even have good post-pen. It doesn't even get its APBCHE shell which is severely underperforming from the calculator.

If you're talking about Stormpjäs fm/43 is the same as a Sturmpanzer. The frontal armour is again flat 50mm, it has a very low-velocity gun and a 20 second reload.

Just looking at penetration ignores how terrible everything else about the vehicle becomes. But because you got penetrated by it it's OP? Seriously? All giving them high pen shells did is make their other attributes suck when they could have been balanced around AP. The AP shells also lose massive performance due to the calculator undervaluing shell mass.

Sav m/43 had a 11kg shell with about 90mm pen irl. In-game it gets 67mm from the calculator. Ikv 103 had a APHEBC shell with over 100mm of penetration irl with a mass 15.27kg, but because it's only fired at 359 m/s and the calculator only cares about velocity it would only have 60mm of penetraton in the game. The calculator Gaijin uses made their AP shells practically worthless and insetad they become mostly useless high BR tanks relying on awful HEAT with a long reload and low velocity.

[CSKA'Николаи]

Originally posted by Stridswombat:

If you're talking about Stormpjäs fm/43 is the same as a Sturmpanzer. The frontal armour is again flat 50mm, it has a very low-velocity gun and a 20 second reload.

Just looking at penetration ignores how terrible everything else about the vehicle becomes. But because you got penetrated by it it's OP? Seriously? All giving them high pen shells did is make their other attributes suck when they could have been balanced around AP. The AP shells also lose massive performance due to the calculator undervaluing shell mass.

I think I might it may have been the Stormpjäs fm/43, I do not even look at the Swedish Tree but the name seems familiar.

When you comment about 'Just looking at penetration ignores how terrible' certainly tells me that you can either not read or have very basic understand on what was stated in the post. I use the Waffentraeger, I love the gun at its BR but the armour is shocking, Nashorn, Sturer Emil, ASU-85, ASU-57, AMX-13 series and many more. So I am not sure why you are having a go at me for something I HAVE NOT SAID. I Had said PEN me and I Can NOT Pen it BACK despite same/lower BR.

[Stridswombat]

It has 50mm of flat frontal armour. That means you can pen it back unless you were firing a 37mm French or Japanese gun at it. Short of that all guns at or above that BR can pen it.

[sneakybass]

Yesterday I was coming up a hill and a 103 was above and the hole lower part of the tank was stuck out I shot him with 5 shells with my t114 first shell desabled It with the first shell the other 4 or 5 shells could not take It out just as bad as a is6 or is7 @#$%. And It goes on and on this Is all I see on the battle field now. Gagin and the new world order...

[Zohan Dwir]

Annoying swedish tanks and fake planes are really ruining the game a.t.m.

[Ichigo]

if you cant take it out frontally and can only disable it pull back and try to get around, remember it cant aim or move if u hit the engine

[Dakota]

Just a reminder here that the premium wedge is nearly immune to HEATFS over most of its front while the standard one isn't. Due to not having those little ridges over it HEAT rounds don't have a place for the fuze to activate and just bounce off harmlessly. You have to hit the little piece of track armor with HEAT for it to do anything and I'm pretty sure that just takes out the transmission and engine most of the time, but maybe that could save you, giving you a moment to drive out of its gun and shoot it in the side or at least area over the treads from the front where armor is thin and fuel is behind.

[Stridswombat]

Originally posted by You Die0244:

Yesterday I was coming up a hill and a 103 was above and the hole lower part of the tank was stuck out I shot him with 5 shells with my t114 first shell desabled It with the first shell the other 4 or 5 shells could not take It out just as bad as a is6 or is7 @#$%. And It goes on and on this Is all I see on the battle field now. Gagin and the new world order...

So you're saying you're shooting the front part of it from below, thus not penetrating into the crew compartment futher back in the tank because the shell travels up and not back, only hitting the engine compartment and you're surprised it didn't kill it? Sounds like player error to me.

[sneakybass]

Originally posted by Stridswombat:

Originally posted by You Die0244:

Yesterday I was coming up a hill and a 103 was above and the hole lower part of the tank was stuck out I shot him with 5 shells with my t114 first shell desabled It with the first shell the other 4 or 5 shells could not take It out just as bad as a is6 or is7 @#$%. And It goes on and on this Is all I see on the battle field now. Gagin and the new world order...

So you're saying you're shooting the front part of it from below, thus not penetrating into the crew compartment futher back in the tank because the shell travels up and not back, only hitting the engine compartment and you're surprised it didn't kill it? Sounds like player error to me.

I can kill a is-7 easy or is-6 compared to this tank I spotted one at 1100 yards my Mayach 400 pen shells hit him 10 times three fires could not kill him with the shells the fire killed him right side Is the best to start fires. Sounds like you have a big mouth know It all.

[CSKA'Николаи]

Originally posted by You Die0244:

I can kill a is-7 easy or is-6 compared to this tank I spotted one at 1100 yards my Mayach 400 pen shells hit him 10 times three fires could not kill him with the shells the fire killed him right side Is the best to start fires. Sounds like you have a big mouth know It all.

At first encounter, IS-6 was like oh my gosh how to kill, but the second time you find a way FRONTALLY. Now days like you have said 'I can kill a is-7 easy or is-6 compared to this tank', IS-6 is actually rather alright to kill whether using any nation especially if you got HEATFS or even APDS in certain areas. And yes Frontally.

Your last sentence is sadly a way to sum up majority of this community :(