8.0 now unplayable

[Mods]

GG gaijibbles, adding AAMs and radar guided guns to only some of the korean war era aircraft that had them and shafting any semblance of balance, might as well go uptier my F2H2 to 10.0 since combat will be no different.

Oh and the Seahawk at 7.7.. i feel bad for anyone playing late war props.

[Jamie]

They just took the Hispano Mk V off the Spitfires too

[Mods]

Originally posted by Jamie:

They just took the Hispano Mk V off the Spitfires too

Ye i noticed that, and so did my british friend the poor bastard. so much for historical accuracy..

[AttackerCat]

Originally posted by Jamie:

They just took the Hispano Mk V off the Spitfires too

That was a correction to historical values

Originally posted by Mods_o_joy:

Ye i noticed that, and so did my british friend the poor bastard. so much for historical accuracy..

Except that's exactly why it was done.
https://www.raf-in-combat.com/downloads/july-2014-spitfire-f-24-15-photos/
Notice photos 11 and 12 specifically. Photo 11 has the long-barreled Hispano Mk. II guns, the photo 12 has the short barreled Hispano Mk. V.

Mk. 24s were originally fitted with Mk. II Hispanos, and later on were retrofitted with Mk. Vs. The one modeled in-game is an early production model as well, further showing that this was a historical change.

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=B5r9AwAAQBAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=spitfire+mk+24+details&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwihh5KmneTgAhVYShUIHbAFB90Q6AEIOjAE#v=onepage&q=spitfire%20mk%2024%20details&f=false
Page 2 states specifically that early production models of the Mk.24 were fitted with (again) Hispano Mk. IIs and later on were retrofitted with Mk. Vs.

As for the Sea Hawk, how dare UK get a decent mid-tier jet that isn't a poor meteor. It has speed over some, by no means all, lower BR jets, but can't compete at the top either.

[Mods]

Originally posted by AttackerCat:

Originally posted by Jamie:

They just took the Hispano Mk V off the Spitfires too

That was a correction to historical values

Originally posted by Mods_o_joy:

Ye i noticed that, and so did my british friend the poor bastard. so much for historical accuracy..

Except that's exactly why it was done.
https://www.raf-in-combat.com/downloads/july-2014-spitfire-f-24-15-photos/
Notice photos 11 and 12 specifically. Photo 11 has the long-barreled Hispano Mk. II guns, the photo 12 has the short barreled Hispano Mk. V.

Mk. 24s were originally fitted with Mk. II Hispanos, and later on were retrofitted with Mk. Vs. The one modeled in-game is an early production model as well, further showing that this was a historical change.

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=B5r9AwAAQBAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=spitfire+mk+24+details&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwihh5KmneTgAhVYShUIHbAFB90Q6AEIOjAE#v=onepage&q=spitfire%20mk%2024%20details&f=false
Page 2 states specifically that early production models of the Mk.24 were fitted with (again) Hispano Mk. IIs and later on were retrofitted with Mk. Vs.

As for the Sea Hawk, how dare UK get a decent mid-tier jet that isn't a poor meteor. It has speed over some, by no means all, lower BR jets, but can't compete at the top either.

i was referring to the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ Mk100, meteors tend to do fine when i face off with and against them.

[kamikazi21358]

They should at least have 2 versions of the Mk.24, or have the Mk.V Hispanios an upgrade option.

[Azi]

Originally posted by Mods_o_joy:

Oh and the Seahawk at 7.7.. i feel bad for anyone playing late war props.

Afaik, AAM dont magically track planes, they use heat signature, which prop planes have hardly any... And even if somehow they managed to be locked on, they accelerate so well that they can allow themselves to burn some speed to get the AAM out...

[AttackerCat]

Originally posted by kamikazi21358:

They should at least have 2 versions of the Mk.24, or have the Mk.V Hispanios an upgrade option.

That'd be pretty cool. I mean the Bf. 110 G-2 has multiple gun caliber loadouts, I'd go for something like that,

[Mods]

Originally posted by Azarias:

Originally posted by Mods_o_joy:

Oh and the Seahawk at 7.7.. i feel bad for anyone playing late war props.

Afaik, AAM dont magically track planes, they use heat signature, which prop planes have hardly any... And even if somehow they managed to be locked on, they accelerate so well that they can allow themselves to burn some speed to get the AAM out...

yes, im well aware of how AAMs work, the problem is that they force you to turn which at 8.0 korean war era jets will burn energy thats hard to get back, AAMs were never flown over korea also, so its a massive balance issue since the Mk100 will almost always see 8.0 matches. that and the Seahawk being a jet with a decent top speed and better retention then a prop will make it a BnZ Monster just like the F2H2 was with its original BR.

[uɐɐılʎʇs]

Same issue as always. MM gets worse as you go higher up the BRs as you face not only better performing vehicles but added in tech aswell. Been that way for a long time.

Vehicles that should neither be facing eachother historically or by balance. They always whine about queue times etc if proper balance is implemented, but if they implemented it from the get go im sure they wouldve kept a ton of players who left due to constant uptiering into much better vehicles that leave no real room for a competitve match.

Sorta curious what their next big idea is that will make things worse. Theyve been pumping out new hard to balance vehicles/mechanics quite quickly lately.

[Azi]

Originally posted by Mods_o_joy:

yes, im well aware of how AAMs work, the problem is that they force you to turn which at 8.0 korean war era jets will burn energy thats hard to get back, AAMs were never flown over korea also, so its a massive balance issue since the Mk100 will almost always see 8.0 matches. that and the Seahawk being a jet with a decent top speed and better retention then a prop will make it a BnZ Monster just like the F2H2 was with its original BR.

Afaik, you can do an Aileron Roll to get an AAM out, furthermore the Sea Hawk Mk 100 Rate-of-Climb doesnt seem to be better than a F-84G one, imagine, Germany has to spend money to get a Jet that can do against F-84G in a 7.7 match, while US and France Happily just grind it and lawn-mown with them...

[Kay]

Originally posted by Azarias:

Originally posted by Mods_o_joy:

yes, im well aware of how AAMs work, the problem is that they force you to turn which at 8.0 korean war era jets will burn energy thats hard to get back, AAMs were never flown over korea also, so its a massive balance issue since the Mk100 will almost always see 8.0 matches. that and the Seahawk being a jet with a decent top speed and better retention then a prop will make it a BnZ Monster just like the F2H2 was with its original BR.

Afaik, you can do an Aileron Roll to get an AAM out, furthermore the Sea Hawk Mk 100 Rate-of-Climb doesnt seem to be better than a F-84G one, imagine, Germany has to spend money to get a Jet that can do against F-84G in a 7.7 match, while US and France Happily just grind it and lawn-mown with them...

Imagine, if you pay money you get to rob the US of the only advantage it has at that BR, having a team with planes that:

Out accelerate
Out turn
Out climb

US jets, with their one advantage being speed. With AAMs and high speed, that advantage is now completely negated, so the US is now objectively worse at that BR if a seahawk is present.

Does that seem balanced to you?

[Franss the Coffee Addict]

Originally posted by AttackerCat:

Originally posted by Jamie:

They just took the Hispano Mk V off the Spitfires too

That was a correction to historical values

Originally posted by Mods_o_joy:

Ye i noticed that, and so did my british friend the poor bastard. so much for historical accuracy..

Except that's exactly why it was done.
https://www.raf-in-combat.com/downloads/july-2014-spitfire-f-24-15-photos/
Notice photos 11 and 12 specifically. Photo 11 has the long-barreled Hispano Mk. II guns, the photo 12 has the short barreled Hispano Mk. V.

Mk. 24s were originally fitted with Mk. II Hispanos, and later on were retrofitted with Mk. Vs. The one modeled in-game is an early production model as well, further showing that this was a historical change.

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=B5r9AwAAQBAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=spitfire+mk+24+details&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwihh5KmneTgAhVYShUIHbAFB90Q6AEIOjAE#v=onepage&q=spitfire%20mk%2024%20details&f=false
Page 2 states specifically that early production models of the Mk.24 were fitted with (again) Hispano Mk. IIs and later on were retrofitted with Mk. Vs.

As for the Sea Hawk, how dare UK get a decent mid-tier jet that isn't a poor meteor. It has speed over some, by no means all, lower BR jets, but can't compete at the top either.

So are the Mk.V researchable tho?

[Mods]

Originally posted by Azarias:

Originally posted by Mods_o_joy:

yes, im well aware of how AAMs work, the problem is that they force you to turn which at 8.0 korean war era jets will burn energy thats hard to get back, AAMs were never flown over korea also, so its a massive balance issue since the Mk100 will almost always see 8.0 matches. that and the Seahawk being a jet with a decent top speed and better retention then a prop will make it a BnZ Monster just like the F2H2 was with its original BR.

Afaik, you can do an Aileron Roll to get an AAM out, furthermore the Sea Hawk Mk 100 Rate-of-Climb doesnt seem to be better than a F-84G one, imagine, Germany has to spend money to get a Jet that can do against F-84G in a 7.7 match, while US and France Happily just grind it and lawn-mown with them...

the first jet they get is the 163, singlehandedly the most annoying aircraft ever devised with good turn acceleration and speed, its small and hard to hit ontop of that.

[Azi]

Originally posted by Ki'agh:

Originally posted by Azarias:

Afaik, you can do an Aileron Roll to get an AAM out, furthermore the Sea Hawk Mk 100 Rate-of-Climb doesnt seem to be better than a F-84G one, imagine, Germany has to spend money to get a Jet that can do against F-84G in a 7.7 match, while US and France Happily just grind it and lawn-mown with them...

Imagine, if you pay money you get to rob the US of the only advantage it has at that BR, having a team with planes that:

Out accelerate
Out turn
Out climb

US jets, with their one advantage being speed. With AAMs and high speed, that advantage is now completely negated, so the US is now objectively worse at that BR if a seahawk is present.

Does that seem balanced to you?

Afaik, F-84G out accels and out-speeds the Sea Hawk so it seems balanced to me yes.

[Kay]

Originally posted by Azarias:

Originally posted by Ki'agh:

Imagine, if you pay money you get to rob the US of the only advantage it has at that BR, having a team with planes that:

Out accelerate
Out turn
Out climb

US jets, with their one advantage being speed. With AAMs and high speed, that advantage is now completely negated, so the US is now objectively worse at that BR if a seahawk is present.

Does that seem balanced to you?

Afaik, F-84G out accels and out-speeds the Sea Hawk so it seems balanced to me yes.

Does it out accelerate and outspeed a missile?

If not, it has to maneuver, which slows it down, which means it loses its one advantage.

Add in to that the American team having no other advantages, how is it balanced to fight a team better at nearly everything, with a plane that makes the one thing your team is good at irrelevant?