why teamkill helis?

[En Dement Ostehaps]

i dont understand. any normal sane person wouldnt kill a heli. yes they might not be the best for the team but they are trying to help. this game shouldnt only be about winning and closing off certain vehicles because not as good as another one. locusts are useless in top br but yet they still manange to turn the tide sometimes

[Kay]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย DevilDaRebel:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Vladimir Lenin:

If you want tons of RP for your helis, go to helicopter battles. If you're spawning a heli go for the middle point, not for the nearest point for your team just to take away points from the majority of players spawning in tanks.

Not like I do that, but regardless what worse is making a player not able to spawn again. You can still spawn even if you didn't capture a point early game. Going for the middle point would mean enemy tanks more than likely can already engage you, no point in doing that. And let me know where you find helicopter battles, because I dont see it.

Under "events"

That is also a fair point, I did forget that they SP costs for tanks were lowered so it's not as much of an issue

[kamikazi21358]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Vladimir Lenin:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย DevilDaRebel:

You guys realize the only reason people try to cap with Helicopters, is not because they're trying to get all the RP for themselves, but it's because it's the only legitimate reason of obtaining RP to progress the helicopter tree? I can kill two tanks with my Cobra, or I can cap a point and make more than I would had if I was to destroy two tanks?

Like, stop assuming and justifying yourselves.

If you want tons of RP for your helis, go to helicopter battles. If you're spawning a heli go for the middle point, not for the nearest point for your team just to take away points from the majority of players spawning in tanks.

No reason you have given ever justifies team killing.

[DevilDaRebel]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Ki'agh:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย DevilDaRebel:

Not like I do that, but regardless what worse is making a player not able to spawn again. You can still spawn even if you didn't capture a point early game. Going for the middle point would mean enemy tanks more than likely can already engage you, no point in doing that. And let me know where you find helicopter battles, because I dont see it.

Under "events"

That is also a fair point, I did forget that they SP costs for tanks were lowered so it's not as much of an issue

Thank you, I always thought they took them out.

[Kay]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย DevilDaRebel:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Ki'agh:

Under "events"

That is also a fair point, I did forget that they SP costs for tanks were lowered so it's not as much of an issue

Thank you, I always thought they took them out.

It's a permanent thing at this point, and they did take them off the selection at the top

[DevilDaRebel]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Ki'agh:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย DevilDaRebel:

Thank you, I always thought they took them out.

It's a permanent thing at this point, and they did take them off the selection at the top

Ah I see, probably why I got confused.

[B.D.Godde]

the issue with this is that you are thinking psychologically

you are thinking as a scientist. As a summary for what you have said: "if I TK all the helis enough, people will stop playing them". That is negative reinforcement and it has been proven that it is not as effective on humans as it is on other animals.

you are contributing nothing to war thunder community and teaching yourself a terrible life-lesson

[Kay]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย theGoddes:

the issue with this is that you are thinking psychologically

you are thinking as a scientist. As a summary for what you have said: "if I TK all the helis enough, people will stop playing them". That is negative reinforcement and it has been proven that it is not as effective on humans as it is on other animals.

you are contributing nothing to war thunder community and teaching yourself a terrible life-lesson

Except most of the arguments haven't been that, and while it may not be as effective, it still works and there isn't really any other way of doing anything about it. As another note, it's also positive punishment (the addition of a negative stimuli in order to stop a behaviour)

For example, one of the arguments was that it denies the enemy team SP from the vehicle being destroyed, or that it can do that along with gaining the rest of the team SP for a cap, it's a net benefit for the team if it's done (not that it should be, it's still against the rules of the game and poor sportsmanship, however again it can be argued that the other person is also showing bad sportsmanship)

I feel the need to mention again that I have never and never intend to do it, but that doesn't mean we can't look at the reasoning behind people doing it, immediately shutting down the conversation will not help at all, in fact it'll only lead to the people doing it continuing to do it just as much, and simply ignoring you. Same thing with insulting them.

[kamikazi21358]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Ki'agh:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย theGoddes:

the issue with this is that you are thinking psychologically

you are thinking as a scientist. As a summary for what you have said: "if I TK all the helis enough, people will stop playing them". That is negative reinforcement and it has been proven that it is not as effective on humans as it is on other animals.

you are contributing nothing to war thunder community and teaching yourself a terrible life-lesson

Except most of the arguments haven't been that, and while it may not be as effective, it still works and there isn't really any other way of doing anything about it. As another note, it's also positive punishment (the addition of a negative stimuli in order to stop a behaviour)

For example, one of the arguments was that it denies the enemy team SP from the vehicle being destroyed, or that it can do that along with gaining the rest of the team SP for a cap, it's a net benefit for the team if it's done (not that it should be, it's still against the rules of the game and poor sportsmanship, however again it can be argued that the other person is also showing bad sportsmanship)

I feel the need to mention again that I have never and never intend to do it, but that doesn't mean we can't look at the reasoning behind people doing it, immediately shutting down the conversation will not help at all, in fact it'll only lead to the people doing it continuing to do it just as much, and simply ignoring you. Same thing with insulting them.

Still not a reason to teamkill.

[Kay]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย kamikazi21358:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Ki'agh:

Except most of the arguments haven't been that, and while it may not be as effective, it still works and there isn't really any other way of doing anything about it. As another note, it's also positive punishment (the addition of a negative stimuli in order to stop a behaviour)

For example, one of the arguments was that it denies the enemy team SP from the vehicle being destroyed, or that it can do that along with gaining the rest of the team SP for a cap, it's a net benefit for the team if it's done (not that it should be, it's still against the rules of the game and poor sportsmanship, however again it can be argued that the other person is also showing bad sportsmanship)

I feel the need to mention again that I have never and never intend to do it, but that doesn't mean we can't look at the reasoning behind people doing it, immediately shutting down the conversation will not help at all, in fact it'll only lead to the people doing it continuing to do it just as much, and simply ignoring you. Same thing with insulting them.

Still not a reason to teamkill.

Whether you like it or not, it is.

Still shouldn't do it, but there are definitely reasons for it, and acting like they don't exist is not going to help anyone.

Edit: Thank you for also ignoring what I've said

[kamikazi21358]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Ki'agh:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย kamikazi21358:

Still not a reason to teamkill.

Whether you like it or not, it is.

Still shouldn't do it, but there are definitely reasons for it, and acting like they don't exist is not going to help anyone.

Edit: Thank you for also ignoring what I've said

I am not saying there is nothing to your argument.

I am saying it still isn’t enough of a reason to kill a fellow player on your team.

[Kay]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย kamikazi21358:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Ki'agh:

Whether you like it or not, it is.

Still shouldn't do it, but there are definitely reasons for it, and acting like they don't exist is not going to help anyone.

Edit: Thank you for also ignoring what I've said

I am not saying there is nothing to your argument.

I am saying it still isn’t enough of a reason to kill a fellow player on your team.

That's my point too, while there are reasons they aren't really enough (IMO) to break game rules and etiquette

[B.D.Godde]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Ki'agh:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย kamikazi21358:

I am not saying there is nothing to your argument.

I am saying it still isn’t enough of a reason to kill a fellow player on your team.

That's my point too, while there are reasons they aren't really enough (IMO) to break game rules and etiquette

also, after doing some quick math,

you find we get around 45,000 players playing warthunder at any one time. Let's assume maybe 30% of them have top tier vehicles. Now let's assume that 5-1% of those players play helis in ground RB. That is still 600-200 players playing helis AT ANY ONE TIME. Now if you kill a single heli player every battle, you will kill 1/600 heli players currently online at that specific second. chances are they are never going to see you in battle again. How can you reinforce this with even 1/100 players when there are thousands of players with helis?

it just doesn't make sense to TK

[kamikazi21358]

30% is a modest estimate with the current grind. Try 3%.

[Kay]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย theGoddes:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Ki'agh:

That's my point too, while there are reasons they aren't really enough (IMO) to break game rules and etiquette

also, after doing some quick math,

you find we get around 45,000 players playing warthunder at any one time. Let's assume maybe 30% of them have top tier vehicles. Now let's assume that 5-1% of those players play helis in ground RB. That is still 600-200 players playing helis AT ANY ONE TIME. Now if you kill a single heli player every battle, you will kill 1/600 heli players currently online at that specific second. chances are they are never going to see you in battle again. How can you reinforce this with even 1/100 players when there are thousands of players with helis?

it just doesn't make sense to TK

And if everyone does it, that's 600/600 helicopters.

Bearing in mind the population of top tier is low, you often see the same people in battles too, so it's likely you'll see that same helicopter pilot, and kill them again, bearing in mind it's also not all helicopters being teamkilled, it's an even lower number anyway.

And if it's 0/600 being shot down, that can't have an effect since nothing is happening. 1/600 is a HUGE increase on 0/600, so if one person is making that much difference.

[kamikazi21358]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Ki'agh:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย theGoddes:

also, after doing some quick math,

you find we get around 45,000 players playing warthunder at any one time. Let's assume maybe 30% of them have top tier vehicles. Now let's assume that 5-1% of those players play helis in ground RB. That is still 600-200 players playing helis AT ANY ONE TIME. Now if you kill a single heli player every battle, you will kill 1/600 heli players currently online at that specific second. chances are they are never going to see you in battle again. How can you reinforce this with even 1/100 players when there are thousands of players with helis?

it just doesn't make sense to TK

And if everyone does it, that's 600/600 helicopters.

Bearing in mind the population of top tier is low, you often see the same people in battles too, so it's likely you'll see that same helicopter pilot, and kill them again, bearing in mind it's also not all helicopters being teamkilled, it's an even lower number anyway.

And if it's 0/600 being shot down, that can't have an effect since nothing is happening. 1/600 is a HUGE increase on 0/600, so if one person is making that much difference.

If there is a country with 600,000 people, and assuming vaccines have a 100% reliability rate, having 100% vaccinated has a 0% chance of having a smallpox pandemic.

But if 1,000 people become anti-vaxxers, and a smallpox epidemic breaks out, then 1/600 people are not going to possibly have a bad time.

Is the government going to topple if 0.16% of the population dies of smallpox?