Nerf the IS-2?

[Stale bread]

Every time I encounter an IS-2, no matter if I get the first shot, it will never fail at doing 0 damage to the Is-2. Then a moment later i'll get anhialated by it's shell that rips through the fabric of time and space, breaks the sound barrier then comes through a wormhole into my tank. What i'm thinking to bring the IS-2 down to the level of other tanks is nerf the gun. Absolutly NOTHING I own can penetrate this thing. It's annoying to no end.

[The Bone Zone]

Originally posted by Kotory:

Originally posted by I'm Keto Saiba:

yea.... sure, cause 204mm of pen is "averate" for 5.7, that tank is literally the embodiment of point and click.... well actually no, that would be the OP 120, the only tanks that you actually need to aim for weakspots with it are the T34(but wait they are 7.0 now :D) and the KTH(and by that i mean the mantlet), it's actually a fairly easy tank to play and the reload speed can be worked around as long as don't charge in like a moron.

yeah. sure. Show us how you point and click KT ufp which is probably the most common enemy, who can pen you back anywhere - turret, coupola,lfp, or T29.
Point blank pen means nothing, cuz if you are shooting point blank you are dead after first shot.
Obj120 is point-and-click, IS tanks aren't. Espesially considering that they have the same gun all the way up to is4

I really love how you try to disprove my point by literally saying that i should try to point and click tanks that are 1.0 br higher, and that i literally said that you NEED TO AIM FOR WEAKSPOTS,

Originally posted by kamikazi21358:

The 122mm is a ‘penetrate the tank and you turn the interior into soup’ gun, and with high penetration (for a long reload). But it isn’t ‘point and click’. You still need to make sure, well, you hit and penetrate: you just roll by a Königstiger and blindly shoot it, and hit that 150mm RHA plate at 49 degrees, you’re going to have a bad time. A hyper-angled Tiger (sidescraping or say over-angling and you shoot the UFP) even will still bounce an IS round. It may still be effective up to 7.3, 7.7, but the reload makes it too costly to be treated as a ‘point and click adventure’ tank because your next click then will be the ‘spawn’ button on your backup.

but it is at your own br, the problem with people here is that you always compare the tank to something that is 1.0 br higher, and while uptiers are a thing, when i judge a tank i judge it by it's performance at it's own br, where that tank is point and click

Still can't understand why people just ignore a part of the comment only to throw in the "you can't point and click a KTH" even tho i say that you can't do that and you need to aim, seems like cherry picking to me, but whatever.

On a different note, isn't that just a panic shot problem? most people that know the tiger 1 can't shoot you without becoming vulnerable in a sidescrape, can wait for point at any plane on the hull and shoot(except the driver optics, seriously ♥♥♥♥ those things, if the germans really wanted to make the best heavy tank they should have made that box only out of optics)

[Kotory]

Originally posted by I'm Keto Saiba:

Originally posted by Kotory:

yeah. sure. Show us how you point and click KT ufp which is probably the most common enemy, who can pen you back anywhere - turret, coupola,lfp, or T29.
Point blank pen means nothing, cuz if you are shooting point blank you are dead after first shot.
Obj120 is point-and-click, IS tanks aren't. Espesially considering that they have the same gun all the way up to is4

I really love how you try to disprove my point by literally saying that i should try to point and click tanks that are 1.0 br higher, and that i literally said that you NEED TO AIM FOR WEAKSPOTS,

Originally posted by kamikazi21358:

The 122mm is a ‘penetrate the tank and you turn the interior into soup’ gun, and with high penetration (for a long reload). But it isn’t ‘point and click’. You still need to make sure, well, you hit and penetrate: you just roll by a Königstiger and blindly shoot it, and hit that 150mm RHA plate at 49 degrees, you’re going to have a bad time. A hyper-angled Tiger (sidescraping or say over-angling and you shoot the UFP) even will still bounce an IS round. It may still be effective up to 7.3, 7.7, but the reload makes it too costly to be treated as a ‘point and click adventure’ tank because your next click then will be the ‘spawn’ button on your backup.

but it is at your own br, the problem with people here is that you always compare the tank to something that is 1.0 br higher, and while uptiers are a thing, when i judge a tank i judge it by it's performance at it's own br, where that tank is point and click

Still can't understand why people just ignore a part of the comment only to throw in the "you can't point and click a KTH" even tho i say that you can't do that and you need to aim, seems like cherry picking to me, but whatever.

On a different note, isn't that just a panic shot problem? most people that know the tiger 1 can't shoot you without becoming vulnerable in a sidescrape, can wait for point at any plane on the hull and shoot(except the driver optics, seriously ♥♥♥♥ those things, if the germans really wanted to make the best heavy tank they should have made that box only out of optics)

first - I think you should check BRs again buddy. Cuz KT and IS2 have THE SAME br - 6.3
IS2 from 5.7 br is worse in every way but the gun. Weaker turret, hull which can be penned even in ufp, no AA capabilities.
second - if u have to aim for the weakspots, it's not point and click. Obviously

[The Bone Zone]

Originally posted by Kotory:

Originally posted by I'm Keto Saiba:

I really love how you try to disprove my point by literally saying that i should try to point and click tanks that are 1.0 br higher, and that i literally said that you NEED TO AIM FOR WEAKSPOTS,


but it is at your own br, the problem with people here is that you always compare the tank to something that is 1.0 br higher, and while uptiers are a thing, when i judge a tank i judge it by it's performance at it's own br, where that tank is point and click

Still can't understand why people just ignore a part of the comment only to throw in the "you can't point and click a KTH" even tho i say that you can't do that and you need to aim, seems like cherry picking to me, but whatever.

On a different note, isn't that just a panic shot problem? most people that know the tiger 1 can't shoot you without becoming vulnerable in a sidescrape, can wait for point at any plane on the hull and shoot(except the driver optics, seriously ♥♥♥♥ those things, if the germans really wanted to make the best heavy tank they should have made that box only out of optics)

first - I think you should check BRs again buddy. Cuz KT and IS2 have THE SAME br - 6.3
IS2 from 5.7 br is worse in every way but the gun. Weaker turret, hull which can be penned even in ufp, no AA capabilities.
second - if u have to aim for the weakspots, it's not point and click. Obviously

how about say IS-2 Mod 44 than? i tought we were talking about the IS-2, aka the normal is-2, if you talk about the Mod 44 call it the mod 44 don't just expect people to know it's the mod 44

plus the is-2 is worse than the mod 44, but it's also at 5.7, where the 122mm is just a point and click advanture

[Ichigo]

Can you both get a room, or uninstall your game

[kamikazi21358]

I mean, I was talking about both the IS-2 obr. 1943 and obr. 1944 when talking about the gun, they have the same gun. It’s a super strong gun, but it isn’t point and click. You click wrong, you’re dead, you don’t have the reload to fix your mistake. That is why the IS-2 excels at pulling out, blowing someone away, and retreating back into cover.

[Ichigo]

the gun really isnt even that powerful, its too inaccurate at long range and the pen vs angles isnt really anything special, its main use is reliable tank nuking

[B.D.Godde]

Originally posted by Ichigo:

the gun really isnt even that powerful, its too inaccurate at long range and the pen vs angles isnt really anything special, its main use is reliable tank nuking

and packing a ton of TNT

[Ichigo]

thats literally what i said, its main use is to nuke tanks easily, the gun is actually really nice on the T-44-122 thou

[Kotory]

Originally posted by Ichigo:

thats literally what i said, its main use is to nuke tanks easily, the gun is actually really nice on the T-44-122 thou

cuz t44-122 has great mobility. IS2 mobility is average (like his armour). Only reverse speed is good.
I would say T44-122 is overall better since it can appear anywhere on the map what with combination with great postpen of 122 mm makes it deadly

[kamikazi21358]

Originally posted by Kotory:

Originally posted by Ichigo:

thats literally what i said, its main use is to nuke tanks easily, the gun is actually really nice on the T-44-122 thou

cuz t44-122 has great mobility. IS2 mobility is average (like his armour). Only reverse speed is good.
I would say T44-122 is overall better since it can appear anywhere on the map what with combination with great postpen of 122 mm makes it deadly

I like both:

IS-2 is a tougher tank, but I don’t rely on it’s armour (to be fair, I usually try this with all tanks, armour is often unreliable). I use the tank to shoot and retreat, and the armour is if they do fire while I am retreating.

T-44-122 is one of my favourite tanks to play, it drives like a light tank with the 122mm, and has still good (but unreliable) armour. I love the playstyle, it is like an American TD, as it drives fast and has a turret, but in this case it has a big f***-off gun in return for 20-30 seconds of reload. I’ll take firepower over reload on this kind of tank anyday: I would rather pop out, shoot, have a 99% chance of incinerating a target, then retreat into cover to reload over popping out, have like a 80, 70, <60% chance of killing the opponent, and have to reload to kill the opponent, putting at risk of getting shot by another tank or by the tank you shot if you didn’t disable the tank’s firing systems.

[B.D.Godde]

Originally posted by kamikazi21358:

Originally posted by Kotory:

cuz t44-122 has great mobility. IS2 mobility is average (like his armour). Only reverse speed is good.
I would say T44-122 is overall better since it can appear anywhere on the map what with combination with great postpen of 122 mm makes it deadly

I like both:

IS-2 is a tougher tank, but I don’t rely on it’s armour (to be fair, I usually try this with all tanks, armour is often unreliable). I use the tank to shoot and retreat, and the armour is if they do fire while I am retreating.

T-44-122 is one of my favourite tanks to play, it drives like a light tank with the 122mm, and has still good (but unreliable) armour. I love the playstyle, it is like an American TD, as it drives fast and has a turret, but in this case it has a big f***-off gun in return for 20-30 seconds of reload. I’ll take firepower over reload on this kind of tank anyday: I would rather pop out, shoot, have a 99% chance of incinerating a target, then retreat into cover to reload over popping out, have like a 80, 70, <60% chance of killing the opponent, and have to reload to kill the opponent, putting at risk of getting shot by another tank or by the tank you shot if you didn’t disable the tank’s firing systems.

isn't the reverse speed mediocre though

[kamikazi21358]

The reverse speed of the IS-2 is excellent, the T-44 I think is a little worse, but still good.

[B.D.Godde]

Originally posted by kamikazi21358:

The reverse speed of the IS-2 is excellent, the T-44 I think is a little worse, but still good.

I played the T-44 for like 6 months straight. It has a terrible reverse speed

[Kotory]

Originally posted by theGoddes:

Originally posted by kamikazi21358:

The reverse speed of the IS-2 is excellent, the T-44 I think is a little worse, but still good.

I played the T-44 for like 6 months straight. It has a terrible reverse speed

It doesn't. Panther or churchill - this is terrible reverse speed. T44 has ok reverse.

[kamikazi21358]

Originally posted by Kotory:

Originally posted by theGoddes:

I played the T-44 for like 6 months straight. It has a terrible reverse speed

It doesn't. Panther or churchill - this is terrible reverse speed. T44 has ok reverse.

*It’s good enough. If you just need to backup 2 meters or so into cover, it totally works. Just don’t backup 20 meters.