OK, so why does Germany have the BEST planes at every tier in RB?

[Vuyek]

Bombers: Ju288 is incredibly OP, it is faster than ALL allied fighters in level flight at its tier, BV238 is an air battleship with rapid firing naval guns which shred all air opposition at an insane range

Fighters: He100 D-1 at 1.3 is the start, Bf109 E-1 is the king of OP in this game. Every Bf109 outperforms its opposition in: climb, agility (omg, a spit can outturn a bf109 IF the german plane pilot is an idiot and turns with it, agility = at speed), weaponry, dive, acceleration. These light planes have incredible engines. Outclass everything. Up to K4, which is given a run for its money - bf109 k4 combat is actually FAIR as it faces some equal opposition.

Ta154 is the best heavy fighter in game. does it have air spawn? goodness

FW190 are headon monsters - you cannot lose a headon.... maybe with F82 twin mustang, but who headons with that thing.... Other planes lose headons.with focke wulfs. Just headon, win, maybe land if slightly damaged, rinse, repeat. In case enemy gets on your 6, your roll rate is OUT OF THIS WORLD, it is so easy to reverse even my noob b**t can do it.


I know the Allied Team (tm) meme is alive and well, but that is because all the "pros" realized how OP German (and some italian, hello G55) planes are, that many maps are too small to sideclimb (what a pro tactic, war winning), and so all the "pros" and "experts" fly German.

So we have allied planes which are not fit for the game meta flown by worse pilots versus better planes (in game, for game meta) flown by better pilots.

If you're a (sane, non masochist) bomber pilot, why would you fly any American bomber when you have Ju288 and BV238 to fly?

If you're (sane, non masochist) fighter, why would you fly anything other than Bf109 at any tier?


Note: I am a masochist, it's my problem, I fly american now after getting bored of getting on average 3 kills per game in any German fighter 1.0 to 5.0



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ul7IC71j7qU

[un.Casual]

50.cals laugh at this statement

[Dakota]

Average german response to this: m-muh fiddy! -posted from my multiple 20/30mm cannons that oneshot everything.


Basically game is pick your difficulty level but with nations.

[dragonjaj]

In real life German equipment was considered the best for a long time Tiger and king Tiger, panzer aust 4, me119 and me 262, fu 190, and so on. Even the Bismark and the uboat wolf packs. Germany and Japan had advantage early war. Late war the high quality and low production do to it cost both of them. Ww2 was one by numbers and cheap easily made and fixed gear.

[Dakota]

Originally posted by dragonjaj:

In real life German equipment was considered the best for a long time Tiger and king Tiger, panzer aust 4, me119 and me 262, fu 190, and so on. Even the Bismark and the uboat wolf packs. Germany and Japan had advantage early war. Late war the high quality and low production do to it cost both of them. Ww2 was one by numbers and cheap easily made and fixed gear.

Recited the memes by the book.

[Dakota]

Originally posted by D3aD M1c3 V3n0m:

Originally posted by Dakota:

Average german response to this: m-muh fiddy! -posted from my multiple 20/30mm cannons that oneshot everything.


Basically game is pick your difficulty level but with nations.

I can see this from both perspectives as ive reached late tier jets in both germany and america + im in their 4 brits. I can tell you that cannons dont matter if you cant aim them they are not the easiest things to lead and aim in the game especially in the later tiers when planes go really fast and you gotta lead even more than what your used to. If you encounter a really strong bf 109 player try to coordinate with your team to take that 1 player out as bf 109s are crap at dogfighting and when you got 2 of your team on him including you he is toast and might aswell bail out as unfortunatley is pretty common.

So basically your excuse is that "if the german player can't aim and he gets triple teamed then he loses". Those cannons haven't been all to hard to hit with in my experience using them, and you're just as likely to have teammates helping you out at they are.

[Vuyek]

" If you encounter a really strong bf 109 player try to coordinate with your team to take that 1 player out as bf 109s are crap at dogfighting "

Hahahahahhaahaha hah.... hah.

If you encounter a non-idiot Bf109 try to get your whole team (teamwork.... in my war thunda? never in years have i seen such) to take him out.

"bf 109s are crap at dogfighting"

hahahhahahah hah hah.

Depends what you mean by "dogfighting". If you mean turn in circles like an idiot, that is true.... actually no, they turn rather well, with flaps. At speed they outturn spits, with flaps, and when vertical is included i.e. you're not a tanker flying a plane, they just are so agile and responsive in air RB there is no contest. Spit turns and loses so much IAS whereas bf109 goes vertical and turns and GAINS energy.... too funny.


Lets not call it "dogfighting" which is a WW1 term, and obsolete, lets call it "aerial combat".

In aerial combat, Bf109 DOMINATES with its speed, agility, super fast acceleration in level AND super fast acceleration in DIVE (they outdive murican p47 and p51 initially... like.... how? physics much? heavier thing with better engine should just zoom dive away).

Bf109 - faster, much better acceleration, turns at last as well at low to medium speeds as opposition, agile, so light it can do vertical corkscrew and energy trap noobs with ease (try it, it's fun), it outperforms opposition so much it DICTATES the fight with speed and ends it with its agility.


"First of all the biggest mistake i see allied pilots make over and over is not side climbing. "

Try it on Mozdok, or any other arcade map in air rb. Wish you luck.

Logical exercise - what happens when Germans ALSO SIDECLIMB???!??!?!
Holy crap, Einstein!!?!? What now!?!??!

[Dakota]

Originally posted by D3aD M1c3 V3n0m:

Originally posted by Dakota:

So basically your excuse is that "if the german player can't aim and he gets triple teamed then he loses". Those cannons haven't been all to hard to hit with in my experience using them, and you're just as likely to have teammates helping you out at they are.

Alright well i dont think talking about how teammates should help will do anything to solve the actuall " over powerd " thing about german aircraft. First of all the biggest mistake i see allied pilots make over and over is not side climbing. There is no way you can get above a bf 109 g2 trop spaded for example climbing head on into it all that serves to do is wasting your energy and putting your self in a free kill situation. when you take off go straight to the left or right of the enemies general path players tend to climb towards each others airfields to face head on then lets say your flying the p51 climb till about 7-10 km and let your engines do their magic and look for enemy aircraft bellow the same tactics can be applied pretty well on the spitfires in tier 4 and p47s. The resson why you allied pilots complain about bf 109 always being above you is because you dont choose a path where you can climb above them instead.

You realize that the bf 109 can sideclimb too, and do it better than the allied plane, right? Someone being required to sideclimb just to get at the same level of someone who is just driving right at you really doesn't seem all to balanced to me.

[Dakota]

Originally posted by D3aD M1c3 V3n0m:

Originally posted by Dakota:

You realize that the bf 109 can sideclimb too, and do it better than the allied plane, right? Someone being required to sideclimb just to get at the same level of someone who is just driving right at you really doesn't seem all to balanced to me.

there is literally no resson for bf 109s to side climb since they outclimb pretty much every other allied fighter from tier 2 up when spaded if im correct

Exactly! BF109s have absolutely no excuse for letting something like a P47 get above them and side climbing isn't really a valid option, as a BF109 can easily counter someone doing that by just doing it way better than them if it even has to at all.

[dragonjaj]

Originally posted by Dakota:

Originally posted by dragonjaj:

In real life German equipment was considered the best for a long time Tiger and king Tiger, panzer aust 4, me119 and me 262, fu 190, and so on. Even the Bismark and the uboat wolf packs. Germany and Japan had advantage early war. Late war the high quality and low production do to it cost both of them. Ww2 was one by numbers and cheap easily made and fixed gear.

Recited the memes by the book.

Really? And I never read it once. I'm the flank whole that uses AA in tank battle and Bombers in Air. Lol

[halolo39]

Originally posted by Vuyek:

" If you encounter a really strong bf 109 player try to coordinate with your team to take that 1 player out as bf 109s are crap at dogfighting "

Hahahahahhaahaha hah.... hah.

If you encounter a non-idiot Bf109 try to get your whole team (teamwork.... in my war thunda? never in years have i seen such) to take him out.

"bf 109s are crap at dogfighting"

hahahhahahah hah hah.

Depends what you mean by "dogfighting". If you mean turn in circles like an idiot, that is true.... actually no, they turn rather well, with flaps. At speed they outturn spits, with flaps, and when vertical is included i.e. you're not a tanker flying a plane, they just are so agile and responsive in air RB there is no contest. Spit turns and loses so much IAS whereas bf109 goes vertical and turns and GAINS energy.... too funny.


Lets not call it "dogfighting" which is a WW1 term, and obsolete, lets call it "aerial combat".

In aerial combat, Bf109 DOMINATES with its speed, agility, super fast acceleration in level AND super fast acceleration in DIVE (they outdive murican p47 and p51 initially... like.... how? physics much? heavier thing with better engine should just zoom dive away).

Bf109 - faster, much better acceleration, turns at last as well at low to medium speeds as opposition, agile, so light it can do vertical corkscrew and energy trap noobs with ease (try it, it's fun), it outperforms opposition so much it DICTATES the fight with speed and ends it with its agility.


"First of all the biggest mistake i see allied pilots make over and over is not side climbing. "

Try it on Mozdok, or any other arcade map in air rb. Wish you luck.

Logical exercise - what happens when Germans ALSO SIDECLIMB???!??!?!
Holy crap, Einstein!!?!? What now!?!??!

not to mention that the british counterpart the early spitfire versions, got heavy nerfs because someone whine too much. the early spitfire has similar stats to the 109 series yet the 109 can retain more energy, lose less energy in turns and the engine can lolWEP forever. Yes some will point out the flight notes from operational spits says not to WEP longer than a few minutes ect. but the counterpoint is that it's a pilot notes, not a manufacturer statement or an engine limitation, this debacle has lead to the similarly underperforming Javelin.

[ラブライブ!]

Originally posted by dragonjaj:

Originally posted by Dakota:

Recited the memes by the book.

Really? And I never read it once. I'm the flank whole that uses AA in tank battle and Bombers in Air. Lol

German equipment isn't really that good in WW2

The successes they had early in the war is using mostly Panzer IIs and IIIs. By the time the germans were using Panzer IVs the soviets are already using T-34 and KV1 which are superior to what the germans had at the time. They even copied the T-34 sloped armour for the Panther.

The Tigers and Panthers you love so much are only used when they were bogged down and losing the war. The Bismark was so advanced it couldn't even hit the slow moving swordfish.


Most of their tanks are too overcomplicated. As someone says it best:
"It is easy to make overcomplicated stuff but it is hard to make stuff simple enough that it works"

[Jörf]

Germany only has decent planes. Russia has the best planes in the game.

[Vuyek]

Uh, no. Soviets do not have best planes in game. At all.

[Vuyek]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ul7IC71j7qU

[B.D.Godde]

Originally posted by dragonjaj:

In real life German equipment was considered the best for a long time Tiger and king Tiger, panzer aust 4, me119 and me 262, fu 190, and so on. Even the Bismark and the uboat wolf packs. Germany and Japan had advantage early war. Late war the high quality and low production do to it cost both of them. Ww2 was one by numbers and cheap easily made and fixed gear.

actually, although germans were ahead in a lot of places, their navy was not one of them. Luckily, they didn't really face the true might of the british navy until they were truely and uterly losing