What advantage has Fw190 A-4 vs Bf109 F-4 (RB) ?

[prokophapala]

Just looking on the stats:

Bf109 vs Fw190
speed 665kph vs 652kph
turn time 19s vs 20s
climb 20m/s vs 14m/s
burst 3.3kg/s 5.17kg/s
battle rating 3.7 vs 4.3

except slightly better armament on Fw190, Bf109 seems to be much better plane in all aspects (on paper).

And my personal experience is even more pro Bf 109, since with Fw 190 I'm unable to turn, unable to aim (it always goes to spiral when I try to adjust aim at manuevering target). With Bf 109 I sometimes kill something. With Fw 109 I never killed anything else than bomber - it is just impossible to aim at manuevering target.

I'm not real fun of turn-and-burn style planes like spitfires and japanese, I understand that Fw190 is Boom&Zoom like P-47, but even in that aspect it is not much better than Bf-109 (Bf-109 can a least climb quickly to relevant altitude), Fw-190 needs to fly at >400kph to be at least a bit manueverable, but if you are not careful you can easily loose your wings in dive. Also at very high speed the controls get locked and you cannot pull up. So, although I like that aircraft very much historically, and I like how it looks, I hardly see why would anybody pick this plane over Bf 109 which is even lower battle-rating.

So I guess I must be missing some crucial quality of Fw 190 otherwise it would be not played at all in war-thunder. Beside that, it was considered as one of the best fighter of wwII. So what I miss?

[kamikazi21358]

It has an extreme roll rate, which is way more useful as it sounds. It feels like a more robust aircraft - you can dive 800+ km/h no problem, it is durable from enemy fire, and it is one of the few aircraft that almost reliably always wins a head on, as it’s glass armor and radial engine that is stronger survive more hits and it’s 4 20mms reck, although unless you engage at long range and use your roll rate to break engagement before enemy fire hits your aircraft, probably not the safest of tatics. It’s a good aircraft, it is great at energy fighting and is probably one of the best BnZ aircraft in the game, but a lot of people do prefer the Bf 109s - the Fw 190s are great but balanced I think, but the Bf 109s I prefer too. The Fw 190 can be used just as effectively as a Bf 109 (stats are not everything in air battles), it just depends what aircraft you ‘understand’: at one time I played the A-4 and A-5 a lot a really long time ago, and I totally recked opponents without difficulty as it was an extremely powerful aircraft.

[Jaes]

The primary differences between the two are roll rates and fire power. Frankly, the Stat cards lie on the climb rate. They're both fairly comperable.

190s are fantastic in Yo-yos because of their roll rates. That's how you knife fight with a 190. Flat turns are more or less a death sentence. I would highly recommend using Stealth ammo on the 7.92mm guns because they're pointless and the tracers will throw off your 20mm cannon aim. It's all about those glorious 680 rounds of 20mm gun fire.

I personally find 20mm gun fire awkward to aim with and prefer US .50 cals, but once you get them down, anything you fire at literally falls apart.

[kamikazi21358]

Originally posted by Jaes:

The primary differences between the two are roll rates and fire power. Frankly, the Stat cards lie on the climb rate. They're both fairly comperable.

190s are fantastic in Yo-yos because of their roll rates. That's how you knife fight with a 190. Flat turns are more or less a death sentence. I would highly recommend using Stealth ammo on the 7.92mm guns because they're pointless and the tracers will throw off your 20mm cannon aim. It's all about those glorious 680 rounds of 20mm gun fire.

I personally find 20mm gun fire awkward to aim with and prefer US .50 cals, but once you get them down, anything you fire at literally falls apart.

From my personal experience, I think the climb rate is right though, as the Fw 190A climbs a little slower than the 109. Although one thing if I had to guess, I find the 190 feels like it accelerates faster and gets to an actual top speed (not the speed on the stat card, really just the speed you go strait line in practice as you rarely go the top speed the card says unless you are diving or in a jet). Also the 190 is irl better at low alt, I find the 190 is great at low-med alt combat (<6km), while the Bf 109 is good at all altitude (med being best imo), but the 190 is slightly better if I had to guess at low alt.

[kamikazi21358]

Although just as a disclaimer, from my personal experience of listening (or technically seeing) on conversations on “Which is better? Bf 109 vs Fw 190?”, many people can come here and argue all week, really at the end of the day there is no clear answer, as it is more of an opinion and playstyle based I think, and you will have people on both sides of the aisle.

[Jaes]

Originally posted by kamikazi21358:

Although just as a disclaimer, from my personal experience of listening (or technically seeing) on conversations on “Which is better? Bf 109 vs Fw 190?”, many people can come here and argue all week, really at the end of the day there is no clear answer, as it is more of an opinion and playstyle based I think, and you will have people on both sides of the aisle.

Basically this. I personally prefer the 109 because it's more versitile in manuverability vs. the 190 which really only has its roll rate going for it.

Always use what's best for you, not what you think you should be using in a Meta state.

[Blunder Bro]

Originally posted by prokophapala:

Just looking on the stats:

Bf109 vs Fw190
speed 665kph vs 652kph
turn time 19s vs 20s
climb 20m/s vs 14m/s
burst 3.3kg/s 5.17kg/s
battle rating 3.7 vs 4.3

except slightly better armament on Fw190, Bf109 seems to be much better plane in all aspects (on paper).

And my personal experience is even more pro Bf 109, since with Fw 190 I'm unable to turn, unable to aim (it always goes to spiral when I try to adjust aim at manuevering target). With Bf 109 I sometimes kill something. With Fw 109 I never killed anything else than bomber - it is just impossible to aim at manuevering target.

I'm not real fun of turn-and-burn style planes like spitfires and japanese, I understand that Fw190 is Boom&Zoom like P-47, but even in that aspect it is not much better than Bf-109 (Bf-109 can a least climb quickly to relevant altitude), Fw-190 needs to fly at >400kph to be at least a bit manueverable, but if you are not careful you can easily loose your wings in dive. Also at very high speed the controls get locked and you cannot pull up. So, although I like that aircraft very much historically, and I like how it looks, I hardly see why would anybody pick this plane over Bf 109 which is even lower battle-rating.

So I guess I must be missing some crucial quality of Fw 190 otherwise it would be not played at all in war-thunder. Beside that, it was considered as one of the best fighter of wwII. So what I miss?

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