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This game is rigged against germany at every BR
Whats the point of playing this side anymore?
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Ouroboros 15/dez./2018 às 0:56 
Escrito originalmente por kamikazi21358:
Escrito originalmente por konaN:
The only BR germany suffers is 9.0+ cuz Literally 5 versions of abrams kind of model tanks to spam (XM803, MBT70, XM1, M1 and IPM1) alongside with 2 radar guided SPAAGs, AH-1Z, F86F2, FJ4B with bullpup
While germany has 2x Leo A1A1, Leo2k which was introduced in same patch as M1 but was not even close in being able to compete, KPz70, gepard and Leo2a4, Bo5, and CL13. If you compare that is a huge difference
That applies to all nations tbf.

Also, idk if Gaijin is just full of outright idiots or what, but some genius thought it was a good idea to add hellfire missiles this patch to the AH-1.

Yep, helicopters weren't aids enough to play against as it is. Guess they thought they could milk even more than they were from American whales.
B.D.Godde 15/dez./2018 às 1:23 
Escrito originalmente por King Albert I:
Escrito originalmente por kamikazi21358:
That applies to all nations tbf.

Also, idk if Gaijin is just full of outright idiots or what, but some genius thought it was a good idea to add hellfire missiles this patch to the AH-1.

Yep, helicopters weren't aids enough to play against as it is. Guess they thought they could milk even more than they were from American whales.
I can't find anything to disagree with...
Helis are broken. Gaijin has forced them to be 10km ATGM slaves
Lol i guess you guys also think panther D vs T34 is "fair and balanced"
Germany at the br of 5.7-6.3 is super weak. They have no light tanks and often play against every nations vs them
B.D.Godde 15/dez./2018 às 1:32 
Escrito originalmente por Almighty42:
Lol i guess you guys also think panther D vs T34 is "fair and balanced"
Germany at the br of 5.7-6.3 is super weak. They have no light tanks and often play against every nations vs them
?
Germany is fine at 5.7-6.3. The german players are always the last survivors. What does that say?
I would say that the german tree results in a darwinian playerbase. You git gud, better than everybody else and really proficient at using your guns. That or you drop out. That's it for german players.
Then you got prem players, who haven't spent as much time with ther vehicles and have rushed up to teir IV and are now grinding at regular speed. They are standard, perhaps sub-par
Dakota 15/dez./2018 às 2:04 
Escrito originalmente por Almighty42:
Lol i guess you guys also think panther D vs T34 is "fair and balanced"
Germany at the br of 5.7-6.3 is super weak. They have no light tanks and often play against every nations vs them

Are you actually implying the panther D is worse than the T34-85 here? Don't know what to tell ya bud.
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Escrito originalmente por Almighty42:
Lol i guess you guys also think panther D vs T34 is "fair and balanced"
Germany at the br of 5.7-6.3 is super weak. They have no light tanks and often play against every nations vs them

Are you actually implying the panther D is worse than the T34-85 here? Don't know what to tell ya bud.
This comment alone shows the amount of experience some of the people on this thread have with german tanks. T34-85 and T34 is not the same thing i was talking about the big fat american heavy Mcdonald34(and KFC29)
Dakota 15/dez./2018 às 3:42 
Escrito originalmente por Almighty42:
Escrito originalmente por Dakota:

Are you actually implying the panther D is worse than the T34-85 here? Don't know what to tell ya bud.
This comment alone shows the amount of experience some of the people on this thread have with german tanks. T34-85 and T34 is not the same thing i was talking about the big fat american heavy Mcdonald34(and KFC29)

Seems really weird that you'd be sitting here comparing your 5.7 medium to a 6.7 heavy and expecting a fair fight. A more reasonable conclusion is that you'd be comparing your 5.7 medium to another 5.7 medium.

Its pretty universal that you're screwed in a full uptier.
SlipNSlyde (Banido(a)) 15/dez./2018 às 8:28 
Escrito originalmente por kamikazi21358:
Escrito originalmente por SlipNSlyde:
Uhhh YES.
On every point.

The German Italian Japanese air team completely deletes three whole nations from the game.
USA, France, and Brittain.
*Britain

And no, this is not true. As a USA player, a German player, a Russian player, a English player, a Japanese player, a Italian player, and a French player that has rank IV in every single nation in the game, and rank V in 3, I can vouch this is not true.

Escrito originalmente por SlipNSlyde:
I don't even see why anybody is excited about new jets considering jets are the most unbalanced part of the entire game and its ALL about Germany.
Jets have never been the most balanced in game, but there is only 1 jet in the game that fits this category, and that is the CL-13...
Fancy to see how it does though against the MiG-19PT, F-100D, and the new missile British jet I forgot the name of, while Germany doesn’t get anything.

Escrito originalmente por SlipNSlyde:
Plus you're wrong about the F2's only asset is its gun.
Am I? How many 3.3 tanks have you played to test it? Do you even have the F2? Do you even play Germany, or are you just so convinced of your ‘German Bias’ you ignore them and only play US tanks, ‘cause ‘Murcia?
Tell me, what other advantages it has? Armor of a 2.0? Mobility less than a T-34?

Escrito originalmente por SlipNSlyde:
If you think that you haven't played the M10 with its terrible handling and easily killed by any MG in the game since it has literally no armor at all, zero.
Yeah, when being attacked from a plane, or on a hill where your open top is showing. Otherwise it’s armor is very strong.

Escrito originalmente por SlipNSlyde:
Or the M4 with practially no reverse gear and also with terrible handling.
Uhh, have you tried playing not stock?

Escrito originalmente por SlipNSlyde:
The F2 handles like a go kart and it has decent armor, those are both huge advantages.
Hello, 420, what’s you smokin’?

Escrito originalmente por SlipNSlyde:
It can pop out take a shot and reverse back behind cover. The M4s can't and that's a huge disadvantage. If they don't get a kill with the one shot they're practically guaranteed dead.
No but the M4 can do everything else, it’s not like that is the main tactic of the F2, because it is entirely determined by who fires first and who doesn’t get hit. That is the advantage of the F2: it ignores armor, while it’s armor is ignored.

I have jets for every nation and have played tanks for every nation to T5.

I play all nations and am not religiously fanatically alligned like those such as yourself who religiously defend German bias 100% of the time in all of your posts.

Brittain is simply terrible right now. The Spitfires are the worst they have been in years.
Even the T2 Spits are bad.
I did give specifics you just failed to respond to the specifics I gave which seems you are dodging and straw manning me.
The Spits are by far the worst hit by a massive overheating nerf two patches ago.
Spitfires are now climbing slower than most planes, as I already said. That is a massive nerf.
Also since German canon were massively buffed but Spits not, Spits are falling further behind.
Spitfire guns are very unreliable now. I would take an MG 151 with 200 rounds any time over two Hispanos with 240-270 rounds.

Jets I doubt will be good after the new models come out, not good for allied teams anyway, since Germany still has the best F84, the best F86, the best Mig 15, the G91, and the R2Y2 on their team. As already stated allied jets are in a terrible state, and a couple of top tier jets I doubt will fix the majority of issues, but we'll see what happens. BR 7.0 is still hopeless as allies the reasons again, already stated.

Also you did not comment on the entire line of completely useless USA navy jets, not a single usable one.

And German domination in the ME262s, the most stat heavy OP jets in game remains.

The F2 has far better maneuverability than the M4 and if you don't see that the most common tactic in game is poke out fire and duck back behind cover, then you haven't played much tanks. The M4 is utterly useless at this as already stated and why. Again, you straw man me by ignoring my comments of no reverse gear and how dramatically negatively that affects game play for lower tier USA tanks. And make 420 attacks after not responding to my comments.

You say "Tell me, what other advantages it has?" and yet I JUST DID. Again you are simply not responding to my comments. I even gave you a test to run that proves the M10 is far worse than the F2 and the T34. So don't say "tell me" when I just TOLD YOU and you simply ignore what I said.

You say the F2 armor is ignored but it isn't. The M10 armor is ignored and can be killed by any MG in game as already stated, and again ignored.

The F2 is definitely the best low tier tank. By far.

And if you think French air game is half way decent, or that there is anything France, Brittain, or USA that can deal with T3-T5 Germany Italy Japan then you are right, somebody is smoking something. Because the German Italian Japanese team's dominance is absolute.

Which Spitfire by the way is playable? I'd love to hear it.

What can allied teams do about Japan? The best high altitude high speed, boom and zoom silliness they have every been. I'd love to hear it. When Zeroes out run P51s, when J2Ms out run P47s, when A6M5 and A6M7 run, BnZ, climb, and basically do everything. I'd love to hear it. Because the days of low power Japanese guns, and paper fragile slow airplanes are a thing of the past!

And I'd love to hear your German bias on what USA T4 or T5 plane is half way decent vs Germany Italy Japan. Love to hear it.

Zalzany 15/dez./2018 às 9:38 
This troll thread is still going? I mean come on low tier German tanks own every one if you know how to play, and there still people ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ about 109s being OP all the time. So its not every tier its just a handfull where this guy is playing or he just needs to review how to use them
Rina Ravyn 15/dez./2018 às 9:58 
The only two reasons why i would consider the cards being stacked against the Germans is 1.) the BR (but only sometimes because obviously in the curious case of the Panzer IVF2 it works out fab) and 2.) in the game relying on rare shell types that almost nobody had access to in reallife.

1.) Post war korean war equipment shouldnt face 1942 equipment... and yes that does happen... *looks at PT-76 with HEAT-FS*

2.) Many of the russian, british and american tanks have to research shell types far down the individual tanks tech tree to be even remotely competetive. But at that point, there is no limitation on their usage, so obviously ppl stack their tanks full of these one in a million shells and go through tigers and panthers like butter.

these shell types were so rare that one in ten tanks had one of these shells supplies on a leapyear, wich is the prime reason why the tiger became such a menace in the first place...

BUUUUUT in warthunder theyre given out like Ak-47s and that is one historical inaccuracy that i personally could not look past, wich is why i stopped playing warthunder about two years ago.

if you want to keep playing the game tho, you will have to face that rare shell types and in some cases the fcked up BR´s will be your absolute bane.

its your choice fellow wehraboos... i made mine.
Spud 15/dez./2018 às 10:13 
Escrito originalmente por Franss the Coffee Addict:
lmao Germany rigged against.
Hope you try out brits above tier 3.
This where i'm at right now, love playing as the brits but definitely not OP against german
SlipNSlyde (Banido(a)) 15/dez./2018 às 10:45 
Escrito originalmente por Zalzany:
This troll thread is still going? I mean come on low tier German tanks own every one if you know how to play, and there still people ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ about 109s being OP all the time. So its not every tier its just a handfull where this guy is playing or he just needs to review how to use them

Yeah 109s are totally broken. Like all of them.
You could add +1 BR to literally every 109 and Germany would still be competitive.
kamikazi21358 15/dez./2018 às 12:31 
Escrito originalmente por SlipNSlyde:
I play all nations and am not religiously fanatically alligned like those such as yourself who religiously defend German bias 100% of the time in all of your posts.
You know Russia is my favorite nation to play, right?

(Edit: if you doubt it, just look at my profile picture.)

Along with that, I AM an American. I enjoy their planes immensely, expecially their naval lines. The F4U is probably one of my favorite WW2 planes of all time, I used to love the way it looks ever since I was a small child.

Escrito originalmente por SlipNSlyde:
Brittain is simply terrible right now. The Spitfires are the worst they have been in years.
Even the T2 Spits are bad.
I did give specifics you just failed to respond to the specifics I gave which seems you are dodging and straw manning me.
The Spits are by far the worst hit by a massive overheating nerf two patches ago.
Spitfires are now climbing slower than most planes, as I already said. That is a massive nerf.
Yeah, now they’re balanced now.

In a German aircraft, spitfires were scary af. There was literally nothing you could do, they had every single advantage over the Bf 109.

In a Spitfire, if flown right, I felt literally untouchable. I could climb to 8.9km without sideclimbing, dive on whoever I wanted, chase them down, outturn them, then blow off both their wings with a single high velocity 20mm.

Now they feel not underpowered, but balanced.

Escrito originalmente por SlipNSlyde:
Also since German canon were massively buffed but Spits not, Spits are falling further behind.
Spitfire guns are very unreliable now. I would take an MG 151 with 200 rounds any time over two Hispanos with 240-270 rounds.
Yeah, because they are historically better. Ever heard of minengeschoß? German guns are lower velocity but hit like sledgehammers.

But 3 guesses what my 2nd favorite 20mm weapons in the game are? My 3rd favorite? Here is a clue, the 2nd has “MkV” and the 3rd has “MkII” in the name.

Escrito originalmente por SlipNSlyde:
Jets I doubt will be good after the new models come out, not good for allied teams anyway, since Germany still has the best F84, the best F86, the best Mig 15, the G91, and the R2Y2 on their team. As already stated allied jets are in a terrible state, and a couple of top tier jets I doubt will fix the majority of issues, but we'll see what happens. BR 7.0 is still hopeless as allies the reasons again, already stated.
I actually seem to win more against the axis 7.0-8.0, however when tf had 9.0 ever been balanced? Hopefully stuff like the CL-13 and hunter will go 9.3 since now 10.0 is a thing.

Basically, do you know what would fix jets? Do you know what would solve this?

Escrito originalmente por SlipNSlyde:
Also you did not comment on the entire line of completely useless USA navy jets, not a single usable one.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WE4BemZzJkw

Escrito originalmente por SlipNSlyde:
And German domination in the ME262s, the most stat heavy OP jets in game remains.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GbTO8-tWc4U

Escrito originalmente por SlipNSlyde:
The F2 has far better maneuverability than the M4 and if you don't see that the most common tactic in game is poke out fire and duck back behind cover, then you haven't played much tanks. The M4 is utterly useless at this as already stated and why. Again, you straw man me by ignoring my comments of no reverse gear and how dramatically negatively that affects game play for lower tier USA tanks. And make 420 attacks after not responding to my comments.
The maneuverability difference from my experience is negligible - and no I never noticed the reverse, my tactic usually doesn’t involve retreating. I go take the point to win — something the F2 isn’t very good at.

Escrito originalmente por SlipNSlyde:
You say "Tell me, what other advantages it has?" and yet I JUST DID. Again you are simply not responding to my comments. I even gave you a test to run that proves the M10 is far worse than the F2 and the T34. So don't say "tell me" when I just TOLD YOU and you simply ignore what I said.
Yeah I heard you. I dismissed it.
“Armor” - 50mm frontal, flat. 30mm side, flat. Like 17mm rear?
Mobility - some more reverse speed, like .5 hp/t, 1 hp/t more? Like 3km/h more top speed? Yeah, I’ll stick with my M4A1.

Escrito originalmente por SlipNSlyde:
You say the F2 armor is ignored but it isn't. The M10 armor is ignored and can be killed by any MG in game as already stated, and again ignored.
50mm of armor can be overmatched by any gun over 66mm in caliber — so even if whatever sh*t tank doesn’t have 50mm of penetration at 2.3 even much less 3.3 (most 1.0s have over 50mm penetration)(most SPAA has 50mm penetration at 3.3), so unless you shoot the frontal plate at a 80 degree angle or whatever, the shell is programmed to go though the frontal armor no matter what if the shell is over 66mm in caliber. What medium tank’s shell has a caliber of 75mm or greater at 3.3? All of them. M4A1 (75mm), T-34 obr. 1940 (76.2mm), Cromwell Mk.V (75mm), Chi-Nu (75mm), P40 (75mm), M4A1 in French tree (75mm).

Escrito originalmente por SlipNSlyde:
The F2 is definitely the best low tier tank. By far.
When you have someone that says they would rather take a T-34, Cromwell, or M4 over the F2, I don’t think that’s ‘best by far’. It’s a good tank, it isn’t ultra OP and s*** like you make it out to be — easily countered by the other tanks, in fact you could argue the other tanks are better because of their versatility.

Escrito originalmente por SlipNSlyde:
And if you think French air game is half way decent, or that there is anything France, Brittain, or USA that can deal with T3-T5 Germany Italy Japan then you are right, somebody is smoking something. Because the German Italian Japanese team's dominance is absolute.
Ignoring 5 because it’s s*** for everybody and not fun,
Perhaps,

P-47s
P-51s
F4Us
F4Fs
F8Fs

Every Rank 3-4 Spitfire ever,
Typhoons
Tempests

French naval Us aircraft

Perhaps any of these ring a bell?

Escrito originalmente por SlipNSlyde:
Which Spitfire by the way is playable? I'd love to hear it.
Would you like the list in alphabetical order or order of importance?

Escrito originalmente por SlipNSlyde:
What can allied teams do about Japan? The best high altitude high speed, boom and zoom silliness they have every been. I'd love to hear it. When Zeroes out run P51s, when J2Ms out run P47s, when A6M5 and A6M7 run, BnZ, climb, and basically do everything. I'd love to hear it. Because the days of low power Japanese guns, and paper fragile slow airplanes are a thing of the past!
Zeros cannot outrun P-51s. However, if you bring stuff like A7Ms and stuff, this is actually something I’ll agree with. Japan is pretty strong overall, perhaps some of their aircraft could use a small br nerf.

Although if so, it would be only fair in return if they removed the bloody 25k, 30k, 40k+ repair costs...

Escrito originalmente por SlipNSlyde:
And I'd love to hear your German bias on what USA T4 or T5 plane is half way decent vs Germany Italy Japan. Love to hear it.
Perhaps the increased number of wins in allied aircraft seem to help? This isn’t like 4 years ago where Germany could win like 80% of the time, it’s practically 50/50 now. I have been on plenty of US teams within the last month that just clean-swept the German team, it’s a good 50/50. Germany is balanced right now. Nor ‘GerMaNy SuFFeRS’, they are not underpowered, but not Op. I have never seen rank IV so balanced.
Última edição por kamikazi21358; 15/dez./2018 às 12:35
And German domination in the ME262s, the most stat heavy OP jets in game remains.


Have you played the me262 to say that? I guess yak23 was never a problem for german 7.0(WAS but it isn't anymore now f84s are)
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Escrito originalmente por Almighty42:
This comment alone shows the amount of experience some of the people on this thread have with german tanks. T34-85 and T34 is not the same thing i was talking about the big fat american heavy Mcdonald34(and KFC29)

Seems really weird that you'd be sitting here comparing your 5.7 medium to a 6.7 heavy and expecting a fair fight. A more reasonable conclusion is that you'd be comparing your 5.7 medium to another 5.7 medium.

Its pretty universal that you're screwed in a full uptier.

Yes but then a question comes. What can i do in a uptier? What are my options? And when that comes Mcdonald34 and KFC29 are unbeatable. A t34/85 can flank...but of course keep in mind allied lights,but what about the panthers? They are not much faster then the 34 and 29 and have to rely on a few small weakpoints(and with that good luck and ping)or switch to APCR...but they will already fire a shot at a 34 29 before switching to APCR so you have to survive that. Compare that to the big weakpoint on the Tiger2H on the turrent(the entire turrent front) while the Mcdonald34 and KFC29 have small weakpoints on the turrent and MG port(and a few more depending on the angle of attack). And with all that a 0.3 br increase is terrible for germans compared to americans,again. T32 vs Tiger105 is terribly unfair as the 105 is barely a 0.3+ worthy uptier while the T32 is unkillable from the front by some things. Mcdonald34, KFC29 and T32 don't struggle nearly as much against 7.7s like the german Tiger2H and 105 suffer.
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