Centauro at 7.7 battle rating

[Ryanqube]

can we talk about how a vehicle with 100kmph+ top speed armed with L7 gun sits on 7.7 BR?

any allied 6.7-8.7 vehicle literally can't stop its shot. even chieftain mk5's front turret armor is penetrable from 2 Kilometers away. (not to mention that chieftain mk5 sits at 8.7 and a rank higher than centauro)

please nerf it or atleast bring it up to 8.0 BR.

[kamikazi21358]

Better CE mechanics would just instantly solve all these light vehicle issues.

[Kay]

Bearing in mind the L7 is a gun from 7.0 (or 7.7 with HEAT-FS) on more armoured chassis, it doesn't have a more powerful gun than standard.

The OTO Melara 105/52 gun isn't an L7 either, though it is very similar.

What it does have, is a stabiliser, which the British had at 7.0 with a similar gun (though without HEAT-FS)

The stabiliser combined with the speed and the broken damage model make it OP, one of which is most likely in line to be fixed, so the thing it has above the other vehicles is speed and stabiliser, NOT the gun.

[C H E E S E]

Originally posted by Ki'agh:

so the thing it has above the other vehicles is speed and stabiliser, NOT the gun.

If you're on sandy/snowy/marshy maps or maps with very few roads, there are regular tanks which are faster AND more armoured than the Centauro. Plus if you do actually find a road you can get up to high speeds on, the stabiliser is completely useless above 30 km/h and the vehicle is virtually uncontrollable.
The only reasons people are crying 'MUH CENTAURO OP' are as follows:

• Broken DM with weirdly inert ammo racks and armour that doesn't set off APHE fuses, which is entirely due to Gaijin's ♥♥♥♥♥♥ quality control
  
• The fact that virtually everyone who is speedgrinding the Italian tree is playing it, resulting in huge spam as the Centauro is the main attraction of the tree
  
• A lot of the people playing it are veteran players who came back to WT for the update and are very skilled compared to the average player, inflating the Centauro's performance figures. Most of the people I see doing well in them have Level 100 profiles.

Even with the broken DM, this thing is nowhere near as OP as the IS-6 and the Lorraine 40t were when they were introduced to the game. I was around then, I should know.

[Kay]

Originally posted by BreadedNinja:

Originally posted by Ki'agh:

so the thing it has above the other vehicles is speed and stabiliser, NOT the gun.

If you're on sandy/snowy/marshy maps or maps with very few roads, there are regular tanks which are faster AND more armoured than the Centauro. Plus if you do actually find a road you can get up to high speeds on, the stabiliser is completely useless above 30 km/h and the vehicle is virtually uncontrollable.
The only reasons people are crying 'MUH CENTAURO OP' are as follows:

• Broken DM with weirdly inert ammo racks and armour that doesn't set off APHE fuses, which is entirely due to Gaijin's ♥♥♥♥♥♥ quality control
  
• The fact that virtually everyone who is speedgrinding the Italian tree is playing it, resulting in huge spam as the Centauro is the main attraction of the tree
  
• A lot of the people playing it are veteran players who came back to WT for the update and are very skilled compared to the average player, inflating the Centauro's performance figures. Most of the people I see doing well in them have Level 100 profiles.

Even with the broken DM, this thing is nowhere near as OP as the IS-6 and the Lorraine 40t were when they were introduced to the game. I was around then, I should know.

It's one of the few tanks with a stabiliser before 8.0, which is an advantage over every other tank that doesn't have a stabiliser. It allows the Centauro to get the first shot off most of the time, and is most of the reason I think it should be moved to 8.0/8.3, it certainly wouldn't suffer if moved up.

Compare it to the OF-40 Mk.2, the only difference in guns is APFSDS on the OF-40 (which is why it's 8.7), the Centauro is faster, though technically less armoured the armour on the OF-40 makes very little difference (it may bounce a few shots, if you're lucky)

[Criss]

The only thing that's bothering me about the italians is the nations matchup while playing with british tanks in rank 4 n 5, just not fair.

[C H E E S E]

Originally posted by Ki'agh:

It's one of the few tanks with a stabiliser before 8.0, which is an advantage over every other tank that doesn't have a stabiliser. It allows the Centauro to get the first shot off most of the time, and is most of the reason I think it should be moved to 8.0/8.3, it certainly wouldn't suffer if moved up.

Completely ignoring the fact that the stabiliser doesn't work at the speeds you have to drive the Centauro at to avoid enemy fire and get to sniping spots first.
Plus the STB-1, Centuron Mk10, Vickers MBT, Caernarvon, Centurion Mk3, FV4202 and Conqueror all have stabilisers at equal or lower BRs.
It wouldn't suffer at 8.0, but 8.3 is too far for it.

Originally posted by Ki'agh:

Compare it to the OF-40 Mk.2, the only difference in guns is APFSDS on the OF-40 (which is why it's 8.7), the Centauro is faster

The Centauro is only faster on one third of all the maps in Rank V rotation, and most of those are city maps which are far too small for it to make best use of its' speed.

[Kay]

Originally posted by BreadedNinja:

Originally posted by Ki'agh:

It's one of the few tanks with a stabiliser before 8.0, which is an advantage over every other tank that doesn't have a stabiliser. It allows the Centauro to get the first shot off most of the time, and is most of the reason I think it should be moved to 8.0/8.3, it certainly wouldn't suffer if moved up.

Completely ignoring the fact that the stabiliser doesn't work at the speeds you have to drive the Centauro at to avoid enemy fire and get to sniping spots first.
Plus the STB-1, Centuron Mk10, Vickers MBT, Caernarvon, Centurion Mk3, FV4202 and Conqueror all have stabilisers at equal or lower BRs.
It wouldn't suffer at 8.0, but 8.3 is too far for it.

Originally posted by Ki'agh:

Compare it to the OF-40 Mk.2, the only difference in guns is APFSDS on the OF-40 (which is why it's 8.7), the Centauro is faster

The Centauro is only faster on one third of all the maps in Rank V rotation, and most of those are city maps which are far too small for it to make best use of its' speed.

At which point it's as fast as the OF-40, so it's either at an advantage or no disadvantage.

The tanks that have a stabiliser (bar the STB-1) all only have APDS as their ammunition too. The VAST majority do not have stabilisers.

And regardless of whether it "works" at high speed, at the speeds it's going to be moving most of the time (as you claimed) it has a perfectly fine stabiliser, which most tanks do not have. It has first shot capability, the same ammunition and (sometimes) Better speed than its competition.

[NAF-5th.Legion-Waffen.Div]

doing a side by side comparrison to the obj906 there is no justification for putting the centauro lower than the obj906

[kamikazi21358]

Originally posted by BreadedNinja:

Originally posted by Ki'agh:

Just to add about stabilisers and mobility:

>full stabs have been around since 5.3.

>reminder it is wheeled, so it drives like a normal light tank considering it’s net mobility: it is slower than say a Ru-251 or an XM-1 off road, but faster on.


But really, it is pretty much too good for 7.7... but not good enough for 8.0.

1. Can give it APFSDS too (since it defiantly had it, this is a 1991 tank) and, does it have a laser rangefinder? Because it did, it had full FCS of the Ariete and stuff.

2. Too good for 7.7 but not good enough for 8.0 — you know what would solve this?

[NAF-5th.Legion-Waffen.Div]

Originally posted by kamikazi21358:

Originally posted by BreadedNinja:

Originally posted by Ki'agh:

Just to add about stabilisers and mobility:

>full stabs have been around since 5.3.

>reminder it is wheeled, so it drives like a normal light tank considering it’s net mobility: it is slower than say a Ru-251 or an XM-1 off road, but faster on.


But really, it is pretty much too good for 7.7... but not good enough for 8.0.

1. Can give it APFSDS too (since it defiantly had it, this is a 1991 tank) and, does it have a laser rangefinder? Because it did, it had full FCS of the Ariete and stuff.

2. Too good for 7.7 but not good enough for 8.0 — you know what would solve this?

if the obj906 is good enough for 8.0 then centauro most cirtainly is too. compare those.

[kamikazi21358]

Ob’yekt 906 vs Centaurio:

>100mm lees HEAT-FS, which at a BR lacking composite armour, is like saying ‘Ivy Mike was a little smaller than Castle Bravo’, but event then...

>4.7 second autoloader. Half the reload

>tracks and drives similarly/if not faster on soft terrain. I.e. the majority of the map on most maps.

>230mm AP(HE)CBC. I.e. a shell that still penetrates everything you meet even in full uptiers at 8.0, and turns capitalist crews into tomato soup instantly.

Just the Ob’yekt’s gun alone is really enough justification, if it was back when it was 6.0 seconds, then I would say they would be more equal (ie when it was 7.0), but I would take a long barreled 85mm APCBC and HEAT-FS shooting gun anyday.

[Narf]

The Centauro has gun depression, is fast, has better ammo, has no hullbreak and no ammo explosions, and currently the hull does not trigger APHE despite having enough thickness (bug report is filed) and generally has bugged armor interaction with shots fired at it.

I'd say it should go to 8.0 at least, and of course the armor needs to be fixed.

[dan]

Originally posted by Narf:

The Centauro has gun depression,

I'd say it should go to 8.0 at least, and of course the armor needs to be fixed.

what gun depression? the centauro has barely any and that's one of the reasons you want it to have a higher brs?

[NAF-5th.Legion-Waffen.Div]

im pretty confident the centauro will get moved up.no doubt.

[RAM AIR IV]

Should be 8.0 or 8.3