T20 vs IS1 Not Fair For USA!

[rockinrobbyp]

The T20 seems good on low armor tanks but when you face a Russian IS1 at only .3 BR higher you realize its either outclassed or the IS1 is OP.

I bounced two shots off the IS1 and got one hit with no damage and no crew killed. He just one shot me with a slop shot on the back of my tracks. If a vehicle can't be penned normally by another it should have a much higher BR. If it's gun is also way better it should have a way higher BR.

If the T20 is good at 5.0, the IS1 should be 6.0 at least. Maybe 6.3. They probably shouldn't even face one another.

[Damian030303]

T20 is almost perfect tank at its br.
76mm cannon can pen and one sgot easlz everzthing at simmlar br.

[rockinrobbyp]

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I disagree with all of that regarding the P40. But I really want to talk about the IS1 T20 matchup because that's far worse.

The IS1 has very far better armor and his gun can just shoot a T20 anywhere for a guaranteed one shot kill. It's extremely difficut for a T20 to do anything at all to an IS1. You make it sound like they are close and they're not at all. I don't think these tanks should even face each other.

They ARE close.

The T20 has worse armour and less penetration in exchange for better maneuverability and a vertical stabiliser.

As I said, if anything the T20 could do with going down a bit, but it's not that bad as tanks go.

It's a medium tank fighting a higher BR heavy tank, it's not exactly that fair of a comparison, compare it to the T-34 and the T20 has similar armour, similar mobility and a slightly worse gun in exchange for vertical stabilisers.

Well I hit him three times and one was almost dead side on and everything was a bounce or no real damage. I was angled and he went right through my front so I would not say they're close at all. I checked the armor after the game and its almost impossible for a T20 to pen the IS1. Where the IS1 can pen the T20 almost everywhere at almost every angle.

Does the T20 have a stabilizer? I wouldn't have guessed. You have to stop to get a precise shot off anyway so it doesn't really matter. And it has good speed but its acceleration makes it feel a bit slower than it is. Where T34s are like rocket ships, the T20 definitely is not.

I do like the T20 don't get me wrong.
But getting countered so hard at such a close BR, and pretty often it seems makes it feel worse than it is.

[rockinrobbyp]

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T20 is almost perfect tank at its br.
76mm cannon can pen and one sgot easlz everzthing at simmlar br.

I've bounced a lot of shots off of T34s. They angle very effectively. And will pen the T20 even when angled.

4.0-4.3 German Panzers will also pen the T20 no problem with their 75mm guns. At 500 meters they can pen the T20 anywhere, even if angled.

And that's on a downtier.

[Damian030303]

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T20 is almost perfect tank at its br.
76mm cannon can pen and one sgot easlz everzthing at simmlar br.

I've bounced a lot of shots off of T34s. They angle very effectively. And will pen the T20 even when angled.

4.0-4.3 German Panzers will also pen the T20 no problem with their 75mm guns. At 500 meters they can pen the T20 anywhere, even if angled.

And that's on a downtier.

What shells are you using?!

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They ARE close.

The T20 has worse armour and less penetration in exchange for better maneuverability and a vertical stabiliser.

As I said, if anything the T20 could do with going down a bit, but it's not that bad as tanks go.

It's a medium tank fighting a higher BR heavy tank, it's not exactly that fair of a comparison, compare it to the T-34 and the T20 has similar armour, similar mobility and a slightly worse gun in exchange for vertical stabilisers.

Well I hit him three times and one was almost dead side on and everything was a bounce or no real damage. I was angled and he went right through my front so I would not say they're close at all. I checked the armor after the game and its almost impossible for a T20 to pen the IS1. Where the IS1 can pen the T20 almost everywhere at almost every angle.

Does the T20 have a stabilizer? I wouldn't have guessed. You have to stop to get a precise shot off anyway so it doesn't really matter. And it has good speed but its acceleration makes it feel a bit slower than it is. Where T34s are like rocket ships, the T20 definitely is not.

I do like the T20 don't get me wrong.
But getting countered so hard at such a close BR, and pretty often it seems makes it feel worse than it is.

It's only "almost impossible" dead front on.

The side is an easy pen, the front and side turret are easy pens, the cupola is an easy pen.

The T20 has a vertical stabiliser, at low ish speeds it's very stable and the gun settles faster when stopping, it's especially obvious if you do things like shooting while coasting.

The T34 is quite slow, and 6.7

The T-34 has poor armour and is 5.3, I'm not sure how you're managing to bounce off them with the 76mm gun, if they angle enough that you'll bounce off the front, shoot the sides because they won't be angled enough. You can also shoot through the turret.

So while the T-34 can fairly easily penetrate the T20, the T20 can do the same back with a gun that settles faster.

[kamikazi21358]

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The IS-1 could go to 5.7 I believe — however, I would defiantly consider the Tiger E, IS-2, Panther A, etc. superior.

I.e. guess what?

Do you know what would solve this?

Lower the T20 -.3 and raise the IS1 +.3, then pray you rarely see the matchup?

Lower a tank with a tank that has a 76mm high damage gun, drives like a light tank, has more armor than the M4A3, similar armor to the 6.0 T25, and has a short stop stabilizer to the battle rating of the M4A1 76, Sherman Firefly, Chi-To, and M4 Tipo IC?

The T20 can penetrate the IS-1 up to 1400m, while the IS-1 has a low probability of penetrating the T20 at said 1400m and can’t when angled. The tank is more than fine at 5.0, and the only reason the IS-1 is kindof overpowered at 5.3 is purely because the 85mm seeps to overperform against angled armor.

[rockinrobbyp]

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I've bounced a lot of shots off of T34s. They angle very effectively. And will pen the T20 even when angled.

4.0-4.3 German Panzers will also pen the T20 no problem with their 75mm guns. At 500 meters they can pen the T20 anywhere, even if angled.

And that's on a downtier.

What shells are you using?!

I settled on the APCBC with HE filler.
For me it's just too tricky most of the time to switch ammo so I have to pick one that will work most of the time. I mean you need to change ammo, you have to pick the new ammo, then fire a shot, sometimes hoping he does't see you or get away, then wait for the reload. Usually you're either dead by that time or the snapshot is gone. Switching ammo in a rush is just too pro for me.

[Damian030303]

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What shells are you using?!

I settled on the APCBC with HE filler.
For me it's just too tricky most of the time to switch ammo so I have to pick one that will work most of the time. I mean you need to change ammo, you have to pick the new ammo, then fire a shot, sometimes hoping he does't see you or get away, then wait for the reload. Usually you're either dead by that time or the snapshot is gone. Switching ammo in a rush is just too pro for me.

I use mostly APCBC too and i don't have any problems with IS1.

[rockinrobbyp]

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Well I hit him three times and one was almost dead side on and everything was a bounce or no real damage. I was angled and he went right through my front so I would not say they're close at all. I checked the armor after the game and its almost impossible for a T20 to pen the IS1. Where the IS1 can pen the T20 almost everywhere at almost every angle.

Does the T20 have a stabilizer? I wouldn't have guessed. You have to stop to get a precise shot off anyway so it doesn't really matter. And it has good speed but its acceleration makes it feel a bit slower than it is. Where T34s are like rocket ships, the T20 definitely is not.

I do like the T20 don't get me wrong.
But getting countered so hard at such a close BR, and pretty often it seems makes it feel worse than it is.

It's only "almost impossible" dead front on.

The side is an easy pen, the front and side turret are easy pens, the cupola is an easy pen.

The T20 has a vertical stabiliser, at low ish speeds it's very stable and the gun settles faster when stopping, it's especially obvious if you do things like shooting while coasting.

The T34 is quite slow, and 6.7

The T-34 has poor armour and is 5.3, I'm not sure how you're managing to bounce off them with the 76mm gun, if they angle enough that you'll bounce off the front, shoot the sides because they won't be angled enough. You can also shoot through the turret.

So while the T-34 can fairly easily penetrate the T20, the T20 can do the same back with a gun that settles faster.

I've tried several shots on the IS1 turrent so far with no penetration so I have to disagree there.

Also my side shot was almost dead on, and he bounced it.

Worse I even get matches with the IS2 and can't pen it from the rear!

And I don't think theres a player in the game that doesn't know how to angle their T34 perfectly. I don't think I've ever ♥♥♥♥♥♥ through the front. I just gave up eventually. I go for the sides with better results. But with that right angling the sides bounce a lot too.

[rockinrobbyp]

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I settled on the APCBC with HE filler.
For me it's just too tricky most of the time to switch ammo so I have to pick one that will work most of the time. I mean you need to change ammo, you have to pick the new ammo, then fire a shot, sometimes hoping he does't see you or get away, then wait for the reload. Usually you're either dead by that time or the snapshot is gone. Switching ammo in a rush is just too pro for me.

I use mostly APCBC too and i don't have any problems with IS1.

Maybe you spent enough money you get better dice rolls from the server :)

But seriously I don't see how. I'm not a terrible shot. And I've tried enough times by now.

[Damian030303]

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I use mostly APCBC too and i don't have any problems with IS1.

Maybe you spent enough money you get better dice rolls from the server :)

But seriously I don't see how. I'm not a terrible shot. And I've tried enough times by now.

I just always shoot the cheeks and i kill it with one shot most of the time.

[rockinrobbyp]

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Maybe you spent enough money you get better dice rolls from the server :)

But seriously I don't see how. I'm not a terrible shot. And I've tried enough times by now.

I just always shoot the cheeks and i kill it with one shot most of the time.

After my experience the past few weeks, that's incredibly hard to believe.

[Damian030303]

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I just always shoot the cheeks and i kill it with one shot most of the time.

After my experience the past few weeks, that's incredibly hard to believe.

It has only 100mm in the front on both sides.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1604260714
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1604260825

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It's only "almost impossible" dead front on.

The side is an easy pen, the front and side turret are easy pens, the cupola is an easy pen.

The T20 has a vertical stabiliser, at low ish speeds it's very stable and the gun settles faster when stopping, it's especially obvious if you do things like shooting while coasting.

The T34 is quite slow, and 6.7

The T-34 has poor armour and is 5.3, I'm not sure how you're managing to bounce off them with the 76mm gun, if they angle enough that you'll bounce off the front, shoot the sides because they won't be angled enough. You can also shoot through the turret.

So while the T-34 can fairly easily penetrate the T20, the T20 can do the same back with a gun that settles faster.

I've tried several shots on the IS1 turrent so far with no penetration so I have to disagree there.

Also my side shot was almost dead on, and he bounced it.

Worse I even get matches with the IS2 and can't pen it from the rear!

And I don't think theres a player in the game that doesn't know how to angle their T34 perfectly. I don't think I've ever ♥♥♥♥♥♥ through the front. I just gave up eventually. I go for the sides with better results. But with that right angling the sides bounce a lot too.

The T34 is American, so I assume you're playing AB?

If you're talking about the T-34, they're easy to kill with the short 75mm, if you're struggling with the long 76mm then the problem isn't with the tank.

the IS-2 is literally an IS-1 with a bigger gun, that's it. You can penetrate exactly the same places (turret cheeks, cupola, sides etc.) and if your side shot was dead on the side, you would either have been far away or it wasn't dead on.

[rockinrobbyp]

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After my experience the past few weeks, that's incredibly hard to believe.

It has only 100mm in the front on both sides.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1604260714
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1604260825

I already said that I checked the armor view in the garage and it should pen.
Many of the stat cards for planes are wrong. So I'm not surprised to find the same in tanks.