Harrier GR3/AV-8A

[MeanSwing]

Does anyone else think a first generation harrier like the GR3 or the AV-8A would be a good addition to the British lineup? Last patch we got a first generation jet for the british counter for the second generation jets of the US and Russia. I think Britain needs a little love and I think that could be shown by giving us a unique aircraft that is capable of 1176km/h top speed and VTOL capabilities.

plus it would finally give british top tier some strong ground punding capability because right now we are stuck with ww2 style weapons like the RP-3 (which is strong yes but out dated with radar aa and the accuracy of the rockets).
And the generic pair of 1000lb bombs that have single use.

The Harrier GR3 can carry
Guns: 2× 30 mm (1.18 in) ADEN cannon pods under the fuselage
Hardpoints: 4× under-wing & 1× under-fuselage pylon stations with a capacity of 5,000 lb (2,268 kg) and provisions to carry combinations of:

Rockets: 4× Matra rocket pods with 18× SNEB 68 mm rockets each
Missiles: 2× AIM-9 Sidewinders Air-to-air missiles
Bombs: A variety of unguided iron bombs, BL755 cluster bombs or laser-guided bombs

all of which we already have except for the laser guided bombs (they would be pretty dope)

For controls of the VTOL since we have helicopters now with fleshed out controls for helis without push jet engines and that would be a good base for fleshing out a VTOL control setup and the physics with pitching your exhausts to change between VTOL and generic flight.

[Old fart gamer]

hell yes, I'd love a harrier in warthunder. ..

[B.D.Godde]

MeanSwing původně napsal:

Does anyone else think a first generation harrier like the GR3 or the AV-8A would be a good addition to the British lineup? Last patch we got a first generation jet for the british counter for the second generation jets of the US and Russia. I think Britain needs a little love and I think that could be shown by giving us a unique aircraft that is capable of 1176km/h top speed and VTOL capabilities.

plus it would finally give british top tier some strong ground punding capability because right now we are stuck with ww2 style weapons like the RP-3 (which is strong yes but out dated with radar aa and the accuracy of the rockets).
And the generic pair of 1000lb bombs that have single use.

The Harrier GR3 can carry
Guns: 2× 30 mm (1.18 in) ADEN cannon pods under the fuselage
Hardpoints: 4× under-wing & 1× under-fuselage pylon stations with a capacity of 5,000 lb (2,268 kg) and provisions to carry combinations of:

Rockets: 4× Matra rocket pods with 18× SNEB 68 mm rockets each
Missiles: 2× AIM-9 Sidewinders Air-to-air missiles
Bombs: A variety of unguided iron bombs, BL755 cluster bombs or laser-guided bombs

all of which we already have except for the laser guided bombs (they would be pretty dope)

For controls of the VTOL since we have helicopters now with fleshed out controls for helis without push jet engines and that would be a good base for fleshing out a VTOL control setup and the physics with pitching your exhausts to change between VTOL and generic flight.

the GR.3 was the finalised harrier, earlier test variants such as the kestral (prototype) were under development during the 60s; but no harriers or american harriers were outfitted to squandrons until the 70s...

[MeanSwing]

theGoddes původně napsal:

MeanSwing původně napsal:

Does anyone else think a first generation harrier like the GR3 or the AV-8A would be a good addition to the British lineup? Last patch we got a first generation jet for the british counter for the second generation jets of the US and Russia. I think Britain needs a little love and I think that could be shown by giving us a unique aircraft that is capable of 1176km/h top speed and VTOL capabilities.

plus it would finally give british top tier some strong ground punding capability because right now we are stuck with ww2 style weapons like the RP-3 (which is strong yes but out dated with radar aa and the accuracy of the rockets).
And the generic pair of 1000lb bombs that have single use.

The Harrier GR3 can carry
Guns: 2× 30 mm (1.18 in) ADEN cannon pods under the fuselage
Hardpoints: 4× under-wing & 1× under-fuselage pylon stations with a capacity of 5,000 lb (2,268 kg) and provisions to carry combinations of:

Rockets: 4× Matra rocket pods with 18× SNEB 68 mm rockets each
Missiles: 2× AIM-9 Sidewinders Air-to-air missiles
Bombs: A variety of unguided iron bombs, BL755 cluster bombs or laser-guided bombs

all of which we already have except for the laser guided bombs (they would be pretty dope)

For controls of the VTOL since we have helicopters now with fleshed out controls for helis without push jet engines and that would be a good base for fleshing out a VTOL control setup and the physics with pitching your exhausts to change between VTOL and generic flight.

the GR.3 was the finalised harrier, earlier test variants such as the kestral (prototype) were under development during the 60s; but no harriers or american harriers were outfitted to squandrons until the 70s...

yeah but we already have things in the game that where developed in the 1980's and hell even The type 89 japanese ivf i'm pretty sure was only just put into service with the japanese armed forces in 2012. (I am mistaken they entered service in 1989 and still have over 300 more to make meaning they are up to modern standereds. It isnt that hard to implament modern tanks and planes now with all the modernised weapon systems that have been implamented. I mean hell the GR3 only travels at a top of 1170km/h which is just a little faster than a Cl-13

[kamikazi21358]

I am curious how they will have the Harrier take off in game, how the VTOL controls will work.

Also I am curious if using the VTOL jets in a dogfight would actually prove useful...

[MeanSwing]

kamikazi21358 původně napsal:

I am curious how they will have the Harrier take off in game, how the VTOL controls will work.

Also I am curious if using the VTOL jets in a dogfight would actually prove useful...

Using the swivel exhuasts to change your speed and use them for some crazy turns that would confuse the enemy.

[kamikazi21358]

MeanSwing původně napsal:

kamikazi21358 původně napsal:

I am curious how they will have the Harrier take off in game, how the VTOL controls will work.

Also I am curious if using the VTOL jets in a dogfight would actually prove useful...

Using the swivel exhuasts to change your speed and use them for some crazy turns that would confuse the enemy.

I wonder if we’ll finally be able to do this...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3RBdqRcPQ6E

[MeanSwing]

kamikazi21358 původně napsal:

MeanSwing původně napsal:

Using the swivel exhuasts to change your speed and use them for some crazy turns that would confuse the enemy.

I wonder if we’ll finally be able to do this...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3RBdqRcPQ6E

no one should ever be able to do that.

[kamikazi21358]

MeanSwing původně napsal:

kamikazi21358 původně napsal:

I wonder if we’ll finally be able to do this...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3RBdqRcPQ6E

no one should ever be able to do that.

I never said Red Tails was the most accurate of movies...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qtvqTUinGY8
*cringes in MK.108*

[B.D.Godde]

kamikazi21358 původně napsal:

MeanSwing původně napsal:

no one should ever be able to do that.

I never said Red Tails was the most accurate of movies...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qtvqTUinGY8
*cringes in MK.108*

actually, the harrier did do that, but only at speeds of 700 or below. Any greater and bye-bye pilot consciousness.
But an interesting mechanic should be harrier stability. The earlier models were less stable than the later ones, which had lots of digital technology to assist in such things...

[🐙RampagingSquid🐙]

Folland Gnat I'd welcome as well, think of it as a better G91.

We could do with the Swift, Sea Vixen, Buccaneer and Hunter F6 too.

Knowing gaijin through they'd trash every single one of them performance wise cos they are british.

[MeanSwing]

theGoddes původně napsal:

kamikazi21358 původně napsal:

I never said Red Tails was the most accurate of movies...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qtvqTUinGY8
*cringes in MK.108*

actually, the harrier did do that, but only at speeds of 700 or below. Any greater and bye-bye pilot consciousness.
But an interesting mechanic should be harrier stability. The earlier models were less stable than the later ones, which had lots of digital technology to assist in such things...

Pretty sure the stability issues where from the wings being mounted from the upper part of the aircraft like the Vautour is ingame. You try and turn that thing at high speeds and it wobbles around all over the place. Hence why most aircraft have their wings as low as possible to increase stability while upright.

[B.D.Godde]

MeanSwing původně napsal:

theGoddes původně napsal:

actually, the harrier did do that, but only at speeds of 700 or below. Any greater and bye-bye pilot consciousness.
But an interesting mechanic should be harrier stability. The earlier models were less stable than the later ones, which had lots of digital technology to assist in such things...

Pretty sure the stability issues where from the wings being mounted from the upper part of the aircraft like the Vautour is ingame. You try and turn that thing at high speeds and it wobbles around all over the place. Hence why most aircraft have their wings as low as possible to increase stability while upright.

actually, this wasn't much of a problem for the harriers, I was talking about vtol stability

[MeanSwing]

[/quote] actually, this wasn't much of a problem for the harriers, I was talking about vtol stability [/quote]
Ah, well I'm pretty sure pulling a hard G turn in a harrier would still have a few issues like most high mounted wing aircraft. Just fly any plane in rb and pull a negative G turn and the plane will try and flip itself so it goes positive. Yet when I do a negative in the Vautour which is a similair wing setup to the harrier it is more stable than pulling a positive G turn. But I'm no aircraft designer I only go off experience.
(for some reason my quotes have broken)

[B.D.Godde]

MeanSwing původně napsal:

actually, this wasn't much of a problem for the harriers, I was talking about vtol stability [/quote]
Ah, well I'm pretty sure pulling a hard G turn in a harrier would still have a few issues like most high mounted wing aircraft. Just fly any plane in rb and pull a negative G turn and the plane will try and flip itself so it goes posative. Yet when I do a negative in the Vautour which is a similair wing setup to the harrier it is more stable than pulling a posative G turn. But I'm no aircraft designer I only go off experience.
(for some reason my quotes have broken) [/quote]
This is another reason why War Thunder needs in game official guides for each of their aircraft and explain their strengths and weaknesses, as well as maneuvering and tactics. The warthunder wiki just doesn't cut it. It needs to be ingame