Panther II OP at 6.7 in RB?

[ℬℓα⊂₭ ℙℜ¡ℵ₠]

Ok, so took it out and noticed about 4 other players on the team also took them out. The team then proceeded to club the other team to death swiftly. Is just that really good players that grinded all the mods are taking them out or is it gonna get pushed back to 7.0 faster than rainbow-print shirts sell at an LBGT festival?

[Krapfen]

Originally posted by Mirage:

No idea.. in the few games I played they were all uptiers in typical Gaijin meme fashion.
-Make the Panther ll 6.7 so everyone starts playing them
-Uptier every 6.7 game to 7.7 so it's pointless.

Panther ll isn't that good, it has the same gun as the Tiger ll, less armor but more mobility. It's still not nearly as fast as many other medium tanks at it's BR, it's armor doesn't protect it against anything and reload I imagine is worse than the KT anyways so it's hardly OP.

this ^^ is what others and I have always been talking about

[Col. Cornbread]

Not really, its still a crappy tank that fills the gap in the German tree at 6.7. In a Down tier its Okay but it still gets destroyed non stop in an up tier.

[Adinbei]

They should have just brought the ferdinand back down to 6.7, being tanky in that thing was so fun.

[Geno Killer]

It's in a weird spot. It's just average enough to be weird at 7.0, but just good enough to begin clubbing at 6.7.

As a certain someone always says, br decompression is needed to fix this.

[ℬℓα⊂₭ ℙℜ¡ℵ₠]

ok, I played a few more games since my OP and it's not great at all. it seems to only ever go against 6.7br or higher 90% of the time and I agree the armor is fairly useless. I do tend to survive at least one hit though, and often get turret crew mostly wiped out but can still reverse and recover with much lower reload speed so that's a plus I think.

[Geno Killer]

Originally posted by ℬℓα⊂₭ ℙℜ¡ℵ₠:

I do tend to survive at least one hit though, and often get turret crew mostly wiped out but can still reverse and recover with much lower reload speed so that's a plus I think.

The story of every Panther ever xD

[ℬℓα⊂₭ ℙℜ¡ℵ₠]

Originally posted by Geno Killer:

Originally posted by ℬℓα⊂₭ ℙℜ¡ℵ₠:

I do tend to survive at least one hit though, and often get turret crew mostly wiped out but can still reverse and recover with much lower reload speed so that's a plus I think.

The story of every Panther ever xD

Lol, yep. I feel sorry for the guys that go through tank school and get like a D- and the boss says, 'sorry dude, it's either the panther II gunner job or we ship you to Japan'

[Col. Cornbread]

When it came out at 6.7 the first time it was amazing because it had no real counters and had great everything...

Fastforward to now and its a POS thats just there to fill the tree because everyone either has Heat or APDS that punches through the thing at rangers longer then it can engage.

[ℬℓα⊂₭ ℙℜ¡ℵ₠]

Originally posted by Col. Cornbread:

When it came out at 6.7 the first time it was amazing because it had no real counters and had great everything...

Fastforward to now and its a POS thats just there to fill the tree because everyone either has Heat or APDS that punches through the thing at rangers longer then it can engage.

Same as the Black Prince, they were 5.7 when they came out, I bought one and it was great, it's slowness and low damage of shells made it balanced, so I still died plenty, plus often the whole battle would 3/4 over before I even got far enough to see an enemy, but now it's 6.0 it's worthless.
I feel the Panther II is good at 6.7, if they do anything they should maybe drop the speed of it slightly to help balance.

[kamikazi21358]

Too OP for 6.7, too underpowered for 7.0.

Originally posted by ℬℓα⊂₭ ℙℜ¡ℵ₠:

Like the black prince, too OP for 5.7, up-tiered to fight terrible opponents at 6.0.

It baffles me how Gaijin has not noticed BR compression being as bad as it is yet.

[sturm]

Originally posted by ℬℓα⊂₭ ℙℜ¡ℵ₠:

Ok, so took it out and noticed about 4 other players on the team also took them out. The team then proceeded to club the other team to death swiftly. Is just that really good players that grinded all the mods are taking them out or is it gonna get pushed back to 7.0 faster than rainbow-print shirts sell at an LBGT festival?

the tank won't see 6.7 it will keep getting 7.7 but you won't face 8.0 like before

[Krapfen]

Originally posted by Plaza:

Originally posted by ℬℓα⊂₭ ℙℜ¡ℵ₠:

Ok, so took it out and noticed about 4 other players on the team also took them out. The team then proceeded to club the other team to death swiftly. Is just that really good players that grinded all the mods are taking them out or is it gonna get pushed back to 7.0 faster than rainbow-print shirts sell at an LBGT festival?

the tank won't see 6.7 it will keep getting 7.7 but you won't face 8.0 like before

Fighting the IS7 was like... if I dont hit that stupid gun Im done for either way damnit

[ℬℓα⊂₭ ℙℜ¡ℵ₠]

Originally posted by Plaza:

Originally posted by ℬℓα⊂₭ ℙℜ¡ℵ₠:

Ok, so took it out and noticed about 4 other players on the team also took them out. The team then proceeded to club the other team to death swiftly. Is just that really good players that grinded all the mods are taking them out or is it gonna get pushed back to 7.0 faster than rainbow-print shirts sell at an LBGT festival?

the tank won't see 6.7 it will keep getting 7.7 but you won't face 8.0 like before

Originally posted by kamikazi21358:

Too OP for 6.7, too underpowered for 7.0.

Originally posted by ℬℓα⊂₭ ℙℜ¡ℵ₠:

Like the black prince, too OP for 5.7, up-tiered to fight terrible opponents at 6.0.

It baffles me how Gaijin has not noticed BR compression being as bad as it is yet.

See the USA has the T29 premium at only 6.7... that thing is fairly fast, good armor and better gun than an 88. To be honest the Tiger 10.5 should also be moved to 6.7 to have a chance to compete. Back in the day the tiger10.5 was very good, but there are like 20 more tanks in the game since then, and changes to ammo damage etc, it's now terrible at it's BR

[kamikazi21358]

Originally posted by ℬℓα⊂₭ ℙℜ¡ℵ₠:

See the USA has the T29 premium at only 6.7... that thing is fairly fast, good armor and better gun than an 88. To be honest the Tiger 10.5 should also be moved to 6.7 to have a chance to compete. Back in the day the tiger10.5 was very good, but there are like 20 more tanks in the game since then, and changes to ammo damage etc, it's now terrible at it's BR

Another option is to remove the Tiger II mit 10.5cm as it is a fantasy vehicle that did not exist, Gaijin suggested removing/replacing it before.

[ℬℓα⊂₭ ℙℜ¡ℵ₠]

Originally posted by kamikazi21358:

Originally posted by ℬℓα⊂₭ ℙℜ¡ℵ₠:

See the USA has the T29 premium at only 6.7... that thing is fairly fast, good armor and better gun than an 88. To be honest the Tiger 10.5 should also be moved to 6.7 to have a chance to compete. Back in the day the tiger10.5 was very good, but there are like 20 more tanks in the game since then, and changes to ammo damage etc, it's now terrible at it's BR

Another option is to remove the Tiger II mit 10.5cm as it is a fantasy vehicle that did not exist, Gaijin suggested removing/replacing it before.

I remeber that, I think it was this summer gone and yet it;s still there. They said if you owned it you could keep it which created a massive amount of people pumping money into the game to buy gold to fast forward getting it... If after that they don't remove it, well that would be a bit screwed up. Like in stock market terms I think that's actually illegaly to mislead buys and investors.