Strv 103-0

[Vaiolo00.exe]

Why is that thing at 7.3? It's 100% impossible for a WW2 tank to pen it, and if it's camping behind an hill even APDSFS will struggle to pen it

[Kozi]

Originally posted by theGoddes:

Originally posted by Kozarsson:

Oh damn its that good? i couldnt find much info, mind sharing some?

let's hope gaijin's research is on par with Stridswombat

i can literally give a 5 year old a task to make a realistic strv 103 in the game and he'd do a better job than gaijin.

[florble mcfumperdink]

Originally posted by Kozarsson:

Originally posted by theGoddes:

let's hope gaijin's research is on par with Stridswombat

i can literally give a 5 year old a task to make a realistic strv 103 in the game and he'd do a better job than gaijin.

That statement is applicable to every single military vehicle to have ever existed that is/could end up being in this game.

[Stridswombat]

Originally posted by Kozarsson:

Oh damn its that good? i couldnt find much info, mind sharing some?

Source is from SP15 which got the documentation for it. He think it used this composition for the composite. https://i.imgur.com/FAI5ukf.jpg

If so then the armour protection against KE should be somewhere above 500mm as shown in this chart. https://gyazo.com/4b076891639fa6e7eab1877e0e10230f

Originally posted by theGoddes:

let's hope gaijin's research is on par with Stridswombat

It isn't. The current 'thing' we have in the game is in no way representative of it. To put into perspective exactly how much is wrong with it.

*The armour: Currently the upper hull is atleast a degree steeper than its actual irl angle. The internal firewalls separating the crew from the engine (front) and ammo (rear) compartment should also be no thicker than 20mm.

*The Mobility: It should be capable of reaching a reverse speed of 45 km/h, not the current 30.

*The reload: The auto-loader is capable of a 20 rpm rate of fire, or a 3 second reload.

*The ammunition: Its current stock shell is a shell it cannot under any circumstances fire. It wasn't able to fire unmodified L28a1 (called slpprj m/61 in Sweden) so a new shell (slpprj m/62) was developed for it. The new shell had slightly lower performance, but still penetrated more armour when fired from its L/62 gun. This should give it minimum 310mm of penetration in the game, probably more. This is a far cry from the in-game 268mm they have given its actual real life ammunition. On the dev server it even had HESH which it also couldn't fire.

There's even official documentation to prove this and it was ironically enough posted in the forum thread before the update went live. http://tanks.mod16.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/IMG_4087.jpg

Notice how slpprj m/61 is present in the firing tests for the Centurions, but not for Strv 103. Also notice the markedly worse performance the Centurions have than Strv 103 with the same and even better shells. I guess Gaijin wasn't looking...

So yeah the current iteration of it is underperforming compared to irl.

[Krapfen]

Originally posted by Stridswombat:

Originally posted by Kozarsson:

Oh damn its that good? i couldnt find much info, mind sharing some?

Source is from SP15 which got the documentation for it. He think it used this composition for the composite. https://i.imgur.com/FAI5ukf.jpg

If so then the armour protection against KE should be somewhere above 500mm as shown in this chart. https://gyazo.com/4b076891639fa6e7eab1877e0e10230f

Originally posted by theGoddes:

let's hope gaijin's research is on par with Stridswombat

It isn't. The current 'thing' we have in the game is in no way representative of it. To put into perspective exactly how much is wrong with it.

*The armour: Currently the upper hull is atleast a degree steeper than its actual irl angle. The internal firewalls separating the crew from the engine (front) and ammo (rear) compartment should also be no thicker than 20mm.

*The Mobility: It should be capable of reaching a reverse speed of 45 km/h, not the current 30.

*The reload: The auto-loader is capable of a 20 rpm rate of fire, or a 3 second reload.

*The ammunition: Its current stock shell is a shell it cannot under any circumstances fire. It wasn't able to fire unmodified L28a1 (called slpprj m/61 in Sweden) so a new shell (slpprj m/62) was developed for it. The new shell had slightly lower performance, but still penetrated more armour when fired from its L/62 gun. This should give it minimum 310mm of penetration in the game, probably more. This is a far cry from the in-game 268mm they have given its actual real life ammunition. On the dev server it even had HESH which it also couldn't fire.

There's even official documentation to prove this and it was ironically enough posted in the forum thread before the update went live. http://tanks.mod16.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/IMG_4087.jpg

Notice how slpprj m/61 is present in the firing tests for the Centurions, but not for Strv 103. Also notice the markedly worse performance the Centurions have than Strv 103 with the same and even better shells. I guess Gaijin wasn't looking...

So yeah the current iteration of it is underperforming compared to irl.

I ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ love you for knowing this no ♥♥♥♥

[Stridswombat]

Originally posted by ☆ ILuxx ツ © ☆:

I ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ love you for knowing this no ♥♥♥♥

This is just pretty basic stuff that Gaijin should know if they did any research.

The way the machineguns operate is wrong too if anyone cares. Irl only 1 machinegun fired when you held down the trigger. When you released the trigger and fired again it would alternate to the next machinegun with each trigger pull. Irl only 1 of the hull mounted machineguns ever fired simultaneously. In the game they both just fire at once.

[CharChar]

Leopard 1: Penetrated by 75mm gun
M46 Patton: Penetrated by 75mm gun

Both are arguably some of the best tanks at their BR.
Your point is ♥♥♥♥.

[Ddinosaur]

Originally posted by Char "Char":

Leopard 1: Penetrated by 75mm gun
M46 Patton: Penetrated by 75mm gun

Both are arguably some of the best tanks at their BR.
Your point is ♥♥♥♥.

I dont get it chief

[B.D.Godde]

Originally posted by Stridswombat:

-big snip-

do you think it would be fine at 7.7 or even 8.0 once these changes have been introduced?

[Stridswombat]

Originally posted by theGoddes:

Originally posted by Stridswombat:

-big snip-

do you think it would be fine at 7.7 or even 8.0 once these changes have been introduced?

Yes I think it'll be fine at 7.7. The fixed gun is the tradeoff for the good firepower and frontal protection. Assuming they fix the aiming that is. The 103B could add some spaced armour, more penetration and fix the power to weight a bit at 8.0, but will also be more vulnerable to APFSDS in uptiers. 103C will have to rely on its speed and good penetration because the armour won't be functional very much anymore at 8.7. It can maybe stop some weaker HEAT thanks to the spaced armour.

The real issue with the later versions is no NV. Neither the B nor C had it and since they have to go at BR's where it will be present that's going to be a concern.

There's also the S2 prototype. This could go at 7.3 or below. Somewhere between that and 6.7.

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/90476928168649524/F9718AEAE4C3486C381E743753BA972E5D12C3FE/

[Vaiolo00.exe]

If the game was realistic, I don't think that 40mm bolted plate would really bounce a 122mm shell without any damage

[Kozi]

Originally posted by Vaiolo00.exe:

If the game was realistic, I don't think that 40mm bolted plate would really bounce a 122mm shell without any damage

The laws of physics aren’t your thing huh?

Read up what extreme angles do to bullets and shells and also look up what a ricochet is.

[Vaiolo00.exe]

Originally posted by Kozarsson:

Originally posted by Vaiolo00.exe:

If the game was realistic, I don't think that 40mm bolted plate would really bounce a 122mm shell without any damage

The laws of physics aren’t your thing huh?

Read up what extreme angles do to bullets and shells and also look up what a ricochet is.

All I know is that russians did some fire test against Tiger with D-25T http://tankarchives.blogspot.com/2013/03/is-2-vs-german-big-cats.html
Look at what happened to the tiger when the shell riocheted on the roof, you are really understimating the inertia that those heavy shell have. I'm not saying that they shouldn't riochet, but you don't really need to penetrate to create huge structural damage

[Vaiolo00.exe]

Originally posted by Vaiolo00.exe:

Originally posted by Kozarsson:

The laws of physics aren’t your thing huh?

Read up what extreme angles do to bullets and shells and also look up what a ricochet is.

All I know is that russians did some fire test against Tiger with D-25T http://tankarchives.blogspot.com/2013/03/is-2-vs-german-big-cats.html
Look at what happened to the tiger when the shell riocheted on the roof, you are really understimating the inertia that those heavy shell have. I'm not saying that they shouldn't riochet, but you don't really need to penetrate to create huge structural damage

Also looks like the plate is just bolted and not welded, that really doesn't help

[B.D.Godde]

Originally posted by Vaiolo00.exe:

Originally posted by Vaiolo00.exe:

All I know is that russians did some fire test against Tiger with D-25T http://tankarchives.blogspot.com/2013/03/is-2-vs-german-big-cats.html
Look at what happened to the tiger when the shell riocheted on the roof, you are really understimating the inertia that those heavy shell have. I'm not saying that they shouldn't riochet, but you don't really need to penetrate to create huge structural damage

Also looks like the plate is just bolted and not welded, that really doesn't help

the late german tank plates were missing valadium (I think) which gave it weak joints, making them vulnerable to large caliber AP rounds

[Vaiolo00.exe]

Originally posted by theGoddes:

Originally posted by Vaiolo00.exe:

Also looks like the plate is just bolted and not welded, that really doesn't help

the late german tank plates were missing valadium (I think) which gave it weak joints, making them vulnerable to large caliber AP rounds

Sure, I know that. But the overall structure on the strv is way weaker than the one on a tiger, also as I said bolts would make that plate way less resistant to mechanical shock