tiger 1 vs tiger 2

[Killasindajungle]

okay guys, i see how tiger 1 is balanced for other nations to not get whooped, but in arcade mode with tiger 1 you literally fight against tiger 2, your updated, more powerful, bigger, stronger version with armor you simply cannot pen from front while it can one shot you with ease on front. what kind of balance is this?

[Inoffensive player]

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Tiger 1 barely manages to keep a positive k/d.. heavies are borderline useless in WT anyways.

*cough* m4a3e2 *cough* kv220 *cough* is7 *cough* churchill *cough* b1 series

Lol, the churchill? Then I must be doing something incredibly wrong with my mk7 or whit the black prince.

[Vander16]

Tiger II H plays with leopards. It's a vicious cycle.

[Lain]

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Jumbo is useless in an uptier, mediocre gun and only strength is when it's perfectly headon, any angle and it's dead.

Kv-220 and IS-7 are just pure bias.

Churchills are okay but they're not great either.

B1 ter is almost pay to win, a good tank but also just really low tier and hardly makes up for the lacking performance of all the other heavies in the game.

Then why are heavies spammed out so much? Tiger IIs, IS-2s, M103s, IS-6, KV-1, etc. Most of the time they have a good gun, and good armor, without all the real life mechanical issues. Something that was the main downside of heavies in real life.

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*cough* m4a3e2 *cough* kv220 *cough* is7 *cough* churchill *cough* b1 series

Lol, the churchill? Then I must be doing something incredibly wrong with my mk7 or whit the black prince.

what?? the churchill mk 7 is amazing! angle the hull a bit and turn the turret when reloading and youre invincible!
it has more armour than the m4a3e2 and tiger!

[CT center]

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*cough* m4a3e2 *cough* kv220 *cough* is7 *cough* churchill *cough* b1 series

Jumbo is useless in an uptier, mediocre gun and only strength is when it's perfectly headon, any angle and it's dead.

Kv-220 and IS-7 are just pure bias.

Churchills are okay but they're not great either.

B1 ter is almost pay to win, a good tank but also just really low tier and hardly makes up for the lacking performance of all the other heavies in the game.

you can bounce tiger 1 and is1 shots easy with the m4a3e2, just angle the second before they shoot, hull down it is also invincible.

kv220 is fine at 5.7, its on par with the panther, same pen but less armour and speed.

is7 is also fine, go back to the comparison to maus discussion if you wanna know more.

churchills are amazing, the churchill mk 7 is the tank that once before got me 6000 score in a game because none of the enemy team could kill me.
i wanna get the b1 ter november 1st but the b1 bis is amazing! really bad if uptiered though, another case of m4a3e2.

[Inoffensive player]

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Lol, the churchill? Then I must be doing something incredibly wrong with my mk7 or whit the black prince.

what?? the churchill mk 7 is amazing! angle the hull a bit and turn the turret when reloading and your invincible!
it has more armour than the m4a3e2 and tiger!

Well, my experience in it is that you are too slow, so when you arrive to the front two things can happen: your team has won so you dont have nothing to shoot too, or your team has loose so you have to care to flankers or multiple enemies at once.
Also about the armor, im very frustrated whit it because they just aim to the armor plates joints of the turret when angled that have ridiculously slow armor (the armor values should stack but it doesnt happen).

Im not saying its a bad tank (is not a kt 105 in stock), i had fun in it. But i feel like i cant relly on the armor, while i can relly on comet depresion and movility or in the firefly firepower.

[kamikazi21358]

I personally think a large number of problems would be solved actually if most 6.3 tanks were moved to 6.7, and all 6.7+ tanks were moved up .3 BR only. 4.7 ish range to 6.7ish range does have this wierd but of random compression, and I think this would solve it not just for the Tiger but for many tanks in this range. Some 6.0 tanks would be moved to 6.3, and very few (new) 6.7s would stay at 6.3 for the weak ones, and some of the strong 5.7s can become 6.0s. This would allow tanks like the Tiger I, Panther D, T-34-85, etc not to face impenetrable tanks like the Tiger II, but the Tiger II and many (old) 6.7s wouldn’t have to be overtired to do this: they would fight the same enemies, except the seriously underpowered enemies at 5.7. Also, it kind of does the same thing with Russia 6.3: there are a lot of Russian 6.3 tanks, and they’re all really, really good, and them at 6.7 where they would fight the same top tier enemies as before but 5.3 tanks which are extremely underpowered when fighting T-44s and IS-4 mod.44s wouldn’t happen anymore, and 5.7s would have to be completely uptiered to fight (new) 6.7s like the T-44s and IS-2 mod.44s.

Otherwise, the +/-1 br system I honestly don’t think really is that bad.

This system would make 10.0 tanks to 10.3 though, but I don’t think this will matter because 9.0-10.0 tanks I think will be decompressed anyways to like 12.0 or something when they add late Cold War tanks the T-80BV, T-80U, T-80UM, T-72BA, T-72 obr.1989, M1A1, M1A1(HA), Challanger Mk.3, Leopard 2A4 ap.C, etc. Also, BRs actually kind of work out to be satisfyingly catorgorized in even BRs - for example, there are a lot of 6.7s, they end up being 7.0s, there’s a lot of 7.7 tanks, which become an even 8.0, etc.


Edit: forgot to mention, the Tiger I would no longer have to fight the impenetrable Tiger II (H), but it will fight the Tiger II(P); but the P isn’t impenetrable as it has only 100mm of armor on the turret, so it would be really strong but not impenetrable; basically average full uptier strength now.

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you can bounce tiger 1 and is1 shots easy with the m4a3e2, just angle the second before they shoot, hull down it is also invincible.

kv220 is fine at 5.7, its on par with the panther, same pen but less armour and speed.

is7 is also fine, go back to the comparison to maus discussion if you wanna know more.

churchills are amazing, the churchill mk 7 is the tank that once before got me 6000 score in a game because none of the enemy team could kill me.
i wanna get the b1 ter november 1st but the b1 bis is amazing! really bad if uptiered though, another case of m4a3e2.

Kv-220 has a k/d ratio of 3.6 and a winrate of 67% quite possibly the most OP vehicle in the game, Panthers barely manage a positive k/d in AB or RB and a winrate of 42% .. in what world are they on par?

IS-7 has a k/d of 4.6 and 63% winrate in AB of all things, still manages 2.8 and 66% in RB.. far from balanced anyways.

OP Russian stuff doesn't really make heavy tanks worthwhile in my opinion, especially with the added SP cost required, way more than a light tank, and single spawns in sim whilst their armor is meaningless at higher tiers but they still suffer the impact on mobility and agility in a game about capping points.

A heavy can kill a light and if the light can kill the heavy, then the heavy only has disadvantages.

Plus a light tank can be competitive in an uptier or even way higher than +1, yet a heavy is barely competitive in its own BR, not in an uptier and definitely not beyond that, aside from a few.

SKILL

[Killasindajungle]

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I personally think a large number of problems would be solved actually if most 6.3 tanks were moved to 6.7, and all 6.7+ tanks were moved up .3 BR only. 4.7 ish range to 6.7ish range does have this wierd but of random compression, and I think this would solve it not just for the Tiger but for many tanks in this range. Some 6.0 tanks would be moved to 6.3, and very few (new) 6.7s would stay at 6.3 for the weak ones, and some of the strong 5.7s can become 6.0s. This would allow tanks like the Tiger I, Panther D, T-34-85, etc not to face impenetrable tanks like the Tiger II, but the Tiger II and many (old) 6.7s wouldn’t have to be overtired to do this: they would fight the same enemies, except the seriously underpowered enemies at 5.7. Also, it kind of does the same thing with Russia 6.3: there are a lot of Russian 6.3 tanks, and they’re all really, really good, and them at 6.7 where they would fight the same top tier enemies as before but 5.3 tanks which are extremely underpowered when fighting T-44s and IS-4 mod.44s wouldn’t happen anymore, and 5.7s would have to be completely uptiered to fight (new) 6.7s like the T-44s and IS-2 mod.44s.

Otherwise, the +/-1 br system I honestly don’t think really is that bad.

This system would make 10.0 tanks to 10.3 though, but I don’t think this will matter because 9.0-10.0 tanks I think will be decompressed anyways to like 12.0 or something when they add late Cold War tanks the T-80BV, T-80U, T-80UM, T-72BA, T-72 obr.1989, M1A1, M1A1(HA), Challanger Mk.3, Leopard 2A4 ap.C, etc. Also, BRs actually kind of work out to be satisfyingly catorgorized in even BRs - for example, there are a lot of 6.7s, they end up being 7.0s, there’s a lot of 7.7 tanks, which become an even 8.0, etc.


Edit: forgot to mention, the Tiger I would no longer have to fight the impenetrable Tiger II (H), but it will fight the Tiger II(P); but the P isn’t impenetrable as it has only 100mm of armor on the turret, so it would be really strong but not impenetrable; basically average full uptier strength now.

this really sounds like a solution friend

[Lain]

I'd argue against the IS-1 vs Jumbo. The Soviet 85mm, for who in God's green earth knows why, can go right through the Jumbo's front plate, while shells with higher pen and being APCBC (non explosive ones, funny...) can't. The IS-1 also has very trolly armor, and it can be hard to get a good shot and angle if he pops out of nowhere.