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nearly all fighters in BR 4.3-6.3 have a max speed of 410 mph. and can hit 500mph in a similar dive to those 2 planes you listed.
Climb and wait for it to Bomb its ground targets and then dive for it on its flight back to base. Both those planes are Fast bombers and will usually dive for the bases and be easy targes on their way back.
Also which planes are you flying?