Leopard 1 120mm or T-55AM?

[Luckas1203]

im really confused on this one, i would love to get the leopard as it is one of my favourite tanks and also to grind to top tier, but at the same time with another 10 euros i get the T-55AM, which is another tank that i like AND the Mi-24...

what should i buy? i was thinking to wait for the test servers before buying though

[A Toaster]

you mean the leo 2a4 or the 2k?

[Alpha_Venator]

Escrito originalmente por vipper998:

you mean the leo 2a4 or the 2k?

He means the new premium leopard 1 with the 120mm or the T-55AM and the Mi-24 Hind, they are both premium packs in the store for the upcoming update 1.81

[Leinad]

It´s the Leo 1A6 VT-5, an I would say get the Leo instead of the T-55.

[Luckas1203]

Escrito originalmente por vipper998:

you mean the leo 2a4 or the 2k?

Sorry, I meant the premium leopard 1 with the 120mm

[kamikazi21358]

Escrito originalmente por Ingwerdieb:

It´s the Leo 1A6 VT-5, an I would say get the Leo instead of the T-55.

Unfortunately it is not, it is the “Leopard A1A1 mitt 120mm Rhinemetall L/44” (says in mocking voice) and not the true Leopard 1A6. I pretty much given up on them adding the Leopard 1A2 to 1a5, as well as the 1A6, years ago they would add tanks like the T-54 (1949) and T-54 (1951) and stuff, now they’re like ‘lol what’s a varient?”

[Læms]

well for 70$ you get T55AM + Hind (that i bought) and the Leo is just a A1A1 with 120mm L/44 nothing special imo

[Leinad]

Escrito originalmente por Lorekor マグナス:

well for 70$ you get T55AM + Hind (that i bought) and the Leo is just a A1A1 with 120mm L/44 nothing special imo

It doesn´t really matter if something is "special" or not, for a premium it is best to choose the one that is "better". The Leo 1A6 VT-5 fits much better in the top tier meta of fast with good gun than the T-55AM.

[kamikazi21358]

I don’t think this matters to 95% of people, but the T-55AM is an actually produced and used by multiple Eastern bloc nations as well as the Soviets, (so I honestly don’t know why they made it as a premium, there are so many better tanks they could’ve made premium and have this in the main tree), so if that matters to you at all.
If I had to guess, it probably will be either 8.7 or 9.0, the reason I think 8.7 though is it does have the improved turret armor, but it’s gun will shoot the same 100mm APFSDS (as no better ammo than on the current 55 has been developed by the Soviets); it would be inferior to 9.0 tanks so I would have to guess 8.7 (and move the T-55A to 8.3, it is T-62 lvl anyway). Although, one thing they could do if 9.0 is the T-55AM did mount Kontakt-1 before historically, so if put 9.0, to make it better and more on par with some of the other 9.0 MBTs, they might give it Kontakt-1 ERA. I also think it might be a good future investment as well - it is undeniable tanks like the XM-1 are really good at 9.0, and probably the upcoming Leopard A1A1 120mm maybe as well - if they ever dream about adding tanks like the T-80BV, T-80As, T-80Us, T-72Bs, M1A1s, etc; they will have to increase the BR spread (probably to 11.0 or 12.0): if they do that the XM-1 and stuff will defiantly move up, while the T-55AM probably will remain 9.0 or no higher than 9.3...

[OIympicAssEater]

Escrito originalmente por Ingwerdieb:

Escrito originalmente por Lorekor マグナス:

well for 70$ you get T55AM + Hind (that i bought) and the Leo is just a A1A1 with 120mm L/44 nothing special imo

It doesn´t really matter if something is "special" or not, for a premium it is best to choose the one that is "better". The Leo 1A6 VT-5 fits much better in the top tier meta of fast with good gun than the T-55AM.

T55am have the same shells as t62m1 I think.

[Leinad]

Escrito originalmente por Narberal Gamma:

Escrito originalmente por Ingwerdieb:

It doesn´t really matter if something is "special" or not, for a premium it is best to choose the one that is "better". The Leo 1A6 VT-5 fits much better in the top tier meta of fast with good gun than the T-55AM.

T55am have the same shells as t62m1 I think.

And? It´s the mobility that will make a big difference. The cannon on the T-55AM should be okay.

[OIympicAssEater]

Escrito originalmente por Ingwerdieb:

Escrito originalmente por Narberal Gamma:

T55am have the same shells as t62m1 I think.

And? It´s the mobility that will make a big difference. The cannon on the T-55AM should be okay.

It will be sluggish like t62m1. Fences are enough to slow down the tank like hs. T55am and t62m1 are good for supporting tank and sniping in rural map.

[kamikazi21358]

Escrito originalmente por Narberal Gamma:

Escrito originalmente por Ingwerdieb:

It doesn´t really matter if something is "special" or not, for a premium it is best to choose the one that is "better". The Leo 1A6 VT-5 fits much better in the top tier meta of fast with good gun than the T-55AM.

T55am have the same shells as t62m1 I think.

The 55 has a 100mm rifled and the 62 has a 115mm smooth bore. One of the reasons I have a feeling that it will be 8.7 and not 9.0 maybe, (and the T-55A be moved to 8.3 with the T-62), is it should get the same APFSDS ammo as the T-55A: no better ammo was produced for the 100mm by the Soviet Union. There is the ATGMs as well though, and maybe if there is a new HEAT-FS shell that is better than the APFSDS, then maybe that is what would make it 9.0.

[Læms]

Escrito originalmente por Narberal Gamma:

Escrito originalmente por Ingwerdieb:

And? It´s the mobility that will make a big difference. The cannon on the T-55AM should be okay.

It will be sluggish like t62m1. Fences are enough to slow down the tank like hs. T55am and t62m1 are good for supporting tank and sniping in rural map.

the T62M-1 is more for Sim imo because its harder to aim and the weakspots are really small in sim because of the relistic gun sights

[Doctor Eggman]

Escrito originalmente por Luckas1203:

im really confused on this one, i would love to get the leopard as it is one of my favourite tanks and also to grind to top tier, but at the same time with another 10 euros i get the T-55AM, which is another tank that i like AND the Mi-24...

what should i buy? i was thinking to wait for the test servers before buying though

If you haven't got it already, just get the XM-1.

The Leopard isn't worth it and the T-55 isn't anything special.

The XM-1 however is a mini Abrams monster, and better than the KPZ-70 and other 9.3 vehicles imho.

[kamikazi21358]

Escrito originalmente por Happy Birthday Hatsune Miku:

The Leopard isn't worth it and the T-55 isn't anything special.

You don’t know that. Neither are in game nor even on the dev server - for all you know a Leopard 120mm may be a monster with Leopard 2A4 ammunition at 9.0 or 8.7 like a German Objekt 120 that is faster or the T-55AM may be at some surprising BR like 8.7 or may get it’s historical Kontakt-1 ERA, or it’s ATGMs prove to be extremely OP. You speculate the T-55AM or the Leopard A1A1 will be worse than the XM-1: it is agreed that the only reason that the XM-1 is 9.0 is because usually the best premiums are no higher than 1 br below top tier. One thing I can speculate will happen I think, when they extend the BR ranges of top tier tanks, the XM-1 will go up, the T-55AM and maybe the Leopard A1A1 will not, or hardly at all if so (ie there is no way they will make the AM higher than 9.3 kontakt-1 or not, if the BR range is say expanded to 11.0 or 12.0, the XM-1 will most likely go to 9.7 or 10.0, or 10.7 I would guess for a 12.0 range; 11.0 is possible). When choosing anything top tier, you can’t always just choose what is top tier currently, but what can potentially happen: for example I when Russia when they first started adding Leopard 1s and IT-1s and stuff, not because I wanted the T-54 1951, but because I knew what could come: T-62s, T-64s if willing to go composite armor, T-72 if they went ‘70s and com/armor (which they did quite quickly actually), and if willing to go ‘80s like they have now, T-80 was my #1 reason for going Russia if they went that far.

As well another thing to consider: these tanks are nation specific. Maybe he is asking because he likes Germany. I went T-55AM and Hind because I love Russian vehicles (my 2nd choice would be Germany). But maybe he doesn’t like the US line. Personally, the US line is actually one of my least interested nation - I would rather go Germany, Russia, U.K., Japan, and France actually, and if Italy was added the B1 Centaurio alone would be worth it; the XM-1 does have SL bonuses of course, but I be researching a bunch of tanks that I have little interest in buying and using (as well as it doesn’t apply as much to me as I play mostly SB, but if I play RB I might struggle with M4, M4A1, and Stuart tanks as my backups). Also, the few tanks I truly am interested in are in other lines: Japan has M24, M41, and M4A3E8; and the French line I already got had a prem M4 with a AMX-13 turret as well as a superior M4 to all the others at a lower BR (because logic) (M4A4 SA50 aka the Israeli M50). Of course though, this is all personal - I’m not interested in the US line, and people may not be interested in the XM-1 because they’re not interested in the US line, but I am not saying it is bad or anything like that.