french reloads op?

[A Toaster]

most top tier french tanks gets 4 sec reloads mostly amx variants and such
i mean i get auto loaders but a 4 sec i kinda broken

[kamikazi21358]

If it is historically accurate I am fine with it.

[A Toaster]

Originally posted by kamikazi21358:

If it is historically accurate I am fine with it.

there is nothing historically accurate in this game
anyway my point is they say is reloads on tanks is based on balance
the 4 sec seems to break the game when having an advantage i mean imagine tiger 2 shooting every 5 sec

[A Toaster]

Originally posted by kamikazi21358:

If it is historically accurate I am fine with it.

also a lot of other has autoloaders but dont get the same speed as the french ones

[Leinad]

Originally posted by vipper998:

Originally posted by kamikazi21358:

If it is historically accurate I am fine with it.

also a lot of other has autoloaders but dont get the same speed as the french ones

Because different tanks use different autoloaders. The oscolating (sorry if misspelled) turrets allow for a very efficient auto-loader, since the barrel does not have to move to allign with the loading system...

[kamikazi21358]

Originally posted by vipper998:

there is nothing historically accurate in this game

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[Leinad]

Skip to 3:01

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qTyD5L0uTI&t

[Katokevin]

Originally posted by vipper998:

Originally posted by kamikazi21358:

If it is historically accurate I am fine with it.

also a lot of other has autoloaders but dont get the same speed as the french ones

Autoloaders varry between nations. Something like an AMX-13 just has to rotate and ram a quite light shell. A T-64 on the other hand needs to level the gun, rotate a carousel, lift a 2 piece shell in a V shape, straighten out, unlock the bracket when straightened, ram the shell, quickly toss the spet casing cap into the empty tray top, lower, the return the gun to the level it was at before loading.

Be happy some are actually a bit incorrect. The Japanese Type 90 autoloader can load a 120mm in a minimum of 2 seconds. Anyway, the French really only have a reload advantage. Also keep in mind it takes far longer to restock shells and if you empty an autoloader, you are stuck there unable to fire until a shell is placed in it (which will still need to actually be loaded after).

[Vuyek]

In Wargame Red Dragon French tanks do have an insane ROF.
Supposedly their autoloaders are godtier.

[Læms]

Originally posted by Ingwerdieb:

Skip to 3:01

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qTyD5L0uTI&t

+1

[A Toaster]

i agree guys with different autoloaders on tanks but the french really get an advantage here
i mean thats tier 1 reload at top tier

[kamikazi21358]

Originally posted by vipper998:

i agree guys with different autoloaders on tanks but the french really get an advantage here
i mean thats tier 1 reload at top tier

Yes but there is another thing not being considered:
They have less armor the majority of the time.
They usually don’t have the best penetration.
No APHE.
Usally what they make up in some advantages they give up in others.

[Læms]

Originally posted by kamikazi21358:

Originally posted by vipper998:

i agree guys with different autoloaders on tanks but the french really get an advantage here
i mean thats tier 1 reload at top tier

Yes but there is another thing not being considered:
They have less armor the majority of the time.
They usually don’t have the best penetration.
No APHE.
Usally what they make up in some advantages they give up in others.

and they are expansive lets not forget that

[NAF-5th.Legion-Waffen.Div]

Originally posted by vipper998:

Originally posted by kamikazi21358:

If it is historically accurate I am fine with it.

also a lot of other has autoloaders but dont get the same speed as the french ones

autoloaders dont have faster reload times, the idea with an autoloader is that you need one less crewmember,not that it gives a faster reload.
french reload times are OP, meanwhile other get their RoF nerfed, cause balance, theres your "historical accuracy" kamikazi21358

[kamikazi21358]

Originally posted by ϟNAF-DEADMIKE-5th.Legion-3301ϟ:

Originally posted by vipper998:

also a lot of other has autoloaders but dont get the same speed as the french ones

autoloaders dont have faster reload times, the idea with an autoloader is that you need one less crewmember,not that it gives a faster reload.
french reload times are OP, meanwhile other get their RoF nerfed, cause balance, theres your "historical accuracy" kamikazi21358

It entirely depends on the tank though if it is faster or not:

The M1 has it’s massive turret space and smart ammunition storage, the tank contains perfect conditions for the loader to load shells as fast as possible.

The Russian MBT series, (T-64s, T-72s, T-80s), follows the same tens since WW2: tanks with extreme sloped armor and squat profiles that ends up giving extra crew space - almost no room to operate. Which includes less room for the loader: which means less reload time (T-55 100mm reload = about 10 seconds, Leopard 1 = about 7; T-62 115mm = about 15 seconds, M60 = about 8), Soviet tanks cramp their crews decreasing performance. So they started giving them autoloaders: now instead of a 115mm gun on the T-62 reloading taking a quarter of a minute (FYI the T-62’s reload is over performing currently), while the 125mm guns on the successor tanks fire 7.5-7.1 seconds, if their ready ammo racks are filled.

So it kind of depends on the gun and the vehicle - use a large gun with 2 piece ammunition and limited crew space, use an auto loader. Willing to give your tank a turret the size of f***ing Rhode Island and the ammo storage space to do so, use the human.

[The Wiggly Armed Man]

Originally posted by ϟNAF-DEADMIKE-5th.Legion-3301ϟ:

Originally posted by vipper998:

also a lot of other has autoloaders but dont get the same speed as the french ones

autoloaders dont have faster reload times, the idea with an autoloader is that you need one less crewmember,not that it gives a faster reload.
french reload times are OP, meanwhile other get their RoF nerfed, cause balance, theres your "historical accuracy" kamikazi21358

You do know that the size of the turret has to do more with the reload time than the autoloader, right?