Was APCR really this bad IRL.

[pompous]

Title.

[Donovar]

irl you pen a tank its a dead tank, but this is a game

[trevorkrause]

Originally posted by Donovar:

irl you pen a tank its a dead tank, but this is a game

Thats not correct.
You penetrate a tank it can go in one side and out the other doing no damage see russian 57mm or even a german gun vs sherman or pershing vs panther same thing.

[Maki Nishikino]

Originally posted by trevorkrause:

Originally posted by Donovar:

irl you pen a tank its a dead tank, but this is a game

Thats not correct.
You penetrate a tank it can go in one side and out the other doing no damage see russian 57mm or even a german gun vs sherman or pershing vs panther same thing.

I think what they mean is the crew that are still alive bailed.

[trevorkrause]

Originally posted by Maki Nishikino:

Originally posted by trevorkrause:

Thats not correct.
You penetrate a tank it can go in one side and out the other doing no damage see russian 57mm or even a german gun vs sherman or pershing vs panther same thing.

I think what they mean is the crew that are still alive bailed.

Thats also false as if the tank still drives the remaining crew try to return it to base obviously.

[Maki Nishikino]

Originally posted by trevorkrause:

Originally posted by Maki Nishikino:

I think what they mean is the crew that are still alive bailed.

Thats also false as if the tank still drives the remaining crew try to return it to base obviously.

That isn't what I have heard.

[trevorkrause]

Originally posted by Maki Nishikino:

Originally posted by trevorkrause:

Thats also false as if the tank still drives the remaining crew try to return it to base obviously.

That isn't what I have heard.

Simple really what would you do in a war and half your crew is dead?
Me i would either man a mg or try to get the tank out of the killing zone ..................

[Maki Nishikino]

Originally posted by trevorkrause:

Originally posted by Maki Nishikino:

That isn't what I have heard.

Simple really what would you do in a war and half your crew is dead?
Me i would either man a mg or try to get the tank out of the killing zone ..................

I would be scared and would grab my Grease Gun and jump out.

[pompous]

Originally posted by Maki Nishikino:

Originally posted by trevorkrause:

Simple really what would you do in a war and half your crew is dead?
Me i would either man a mg or try to get the tank out of the killing zone ..................

I would be scared and would grab my Grease Gun and jump out.

Or just use the black adder technique, stick two pencils up your nose and wear a pare of underpants on your head and claim to be insane and youd never get into the situation.

[Chaoslink]

Originally posted by Maki Nishikino:

Originally posted by trevorkrause:

Simple really what would you do in a war and half your crew is dead?
Me i would either man a mg or try to get the tank out of the killing zone ..................

I would be scared and would grab my Grease Gun and jump out.

Given you’re still in the tanks sights, bailing can be more dangerous as they would likely have coaxial guns already sighted on you. How the crew handle taking hits depends on the hit itself. If it was a grazing blow that ruined turret traverse, it’s unlikely they will bail as the tank itself is still running. If your engine was hit and the tank cannot move, you might have a bail, or they might still try to get the turret on target and fire back. Would likely depend on if the tank was burning or not. It’s entirely situational though. If a majority of the crew were killed, the remaining few might bail, but it might be safer to just take cover inside the tank. If the enemy knows they landed a significant hit and the tank they hit ceased all activity, they may or may not continue to consume ammo shooting it. It all depends. Late WWII, I highly doubt the German forces would always work to completely destroy tanks considering their fuel shortages. Might have been worth risking it and trying to salvage fuel from knocked out vehicles.

Context is key.

[Maki Nishikino]

Originally posted by Chaoslink:

Originally posted by Maki Nishikino:

I would be scared and would grab my Grease Gun and jump out.

Given you’re still in the tanks sights, bailing can be more dangerous as they would likely have coaxial guns already sighted on you. How the crew handle taking hits depends on the hit itself. If it was a grazing blow that ruined turret traverse, it’s unlikely they will bail as the tank itself is still running. If your engine was hit and the tank cannot move, you might have a bail, or they might still try to get the turret on target and fire back. Would likely depend on if the tank was burning or not. It’s entirely situational though. If a majority of the crew were killed, the remaining few might bail, but it might be safer to just take cover inside the tank. If the enemy knows they landed a significant hit and the tank they hit ceased all activity, they may or may not continue to consume ammo shooting it. It all depends. Late WWII, I highly doubt the German forces would always work to completely destroy tanks considering their fuel shortages. Might have been worth risking it and trying to salvage fuel from knocked out vehicles.

Context is key.

Holo is always wise.

[kamikazi21358]

Originally posted by trevorkrause:

Originally posted by Maki Nishikino:

I think what they mean is the crew that are still alive bailed.

Thats also false as if the tank still drives the remaining crew try to return it to base obviously.

If the tank catches fire, you all complain about not having free FPE but irl it was policy to abandon tank if your tank caught fire.

Originally posted by trevorkrause:

Originally posted by Maki Nishikino:

That isn't what I have heard.

Simple really what would you do in a war and half your crew is dead?
Me i would either man a mg or try to get the tank out of the killing zone ..................

Half your crew didn’t just die, half of your crew was just incinerated. Say you got shot in the drivers side, a 1000m/s shell just plowed through the frontal, creating a 100 some degree ark of metal spalling shrapnel that used to be the very armor of the tank that was protecting you, jagged metal shards of varying sizes spinning and flying inward in a cone of death. The shell itself, if it was APDS or APFSDS it would be semi-molten, with superheated tungsten metal shards decapitating the driver’s head that was just basically vaporized, with the shell flying into the legs and waste of the turret crew, dense metal shards of the shell along with the spalling slamming into your crewmate’s legs and lower body, blowing off their limbs; and all of this happening faster than a blink of an eye. Say you’re in an older tank that still has a bow MG, and you’re the bow machine gunner: you got a couple metal fragments in your arm, they guy next to you is headless and his blood and pieces of his skull are all over the tank, the commander say is fine but the gunner is missing his leg from the knee down and as wounds in his other leg, waist, and stomach, say the shell was pretty powerful and the tungsten fragments are imbedded in the engine block and the engine died, the fuel tank broke and the engine is on fire, you’re concerned about that fire not only burning you while trying to comprehend what just happened but you have 50+ shells stocked up in the tank - half of them high explosive and all of them with strong propellant charges - and you’re in a confined metal box so if the 50 tank shells all explode you get a free, instantaneous cremation...
What’s your first impulse on what to do?

[pompous]

Originally posted by kamikazi21358:

Originally posted by trevorkrause:

Thats also false as if the tank still drives the remaining crew try to return it to base obviously.

If the tank catches fire, you all complain about not having free FPE but irl it was policy to abandon tank if your tank caught fire.

Originally posted by trevorkrause:

Simple really what would you do in a war and half your crew is dead?
Me i would either man a mg or try to get the tank out of the killing zone ..................

Half your crew didn’t just die, half of your crew was just incinerated. Say you got shot in the drivers side, a 1000m/s shell just plowed through the frontal, creating a 100 some degree ark of metal spalling shrapnel that used to be the very armor of the tank that was protecting you, jagged metal shards of varying sizes spinning and flying inward in a cone of death. The shell itself, if it was APDS or APFSDS it would be semi-molten, with superheated tungsten metal shards decapitating the driver’s head that was just basically vaporized, with the shell flying into the legs and waste of the turret crew, dense metal shards of the shell along with the spalling slamming into your crewmate’s legs and lower body, blowing off their limbs; and all of this happening faster than a blink of an eye. Say you’re in an older tank that still has a bow MG, and you’re the bow machine gunner: you got a couple metal fragments in your arm, they guy next to you is headless and his blood and pieces of his skull are all over the tank, the commander say is fine but the gunner is missing his leg from the knee down and as wounds in his other leg, waist, and stomach, say the shell was pretty powerful and the tungsten fragments are imbedded in the engine block and the engine died, the fuel tank broke and the engine is on fire, you’re concerned about that fire not only burning you while trying to comprehend what just happened but you have 50+ shells stocked up in the tank - half of them high explosive and all of them with strong propellant charges - and you’re in a confined metal box so if the 50 tank shells all explode you get a free, instantaneous cremation...
What’s your first impulse on what to do?

Meanwhile in this game ive gotten direct hits with 100mm ap shells and the crew member just goes meh and then kills me.

[HudsonM1A2]

The APCR ammo is just a solid shell with a composite material construction. It has no explosive filler and was, somewhat, the granfather of the APFSDS shells. Because of it's characteristics, the angle of incidence heavily influences whether it'll bounce or not (HEAT or HE shells have a lower tendency for bounces, but even these can bounce if the angle is shallow enough). The lack of explosive fillers means that it'll have a hard time killing the entire crew with a single shot (though it's not impossible). Your best bet is to fire it at the enemy's ammo racks, the engine or the cannon barrel or breech. Even if you do not set the enemy on fire, a well-placed engine shot can give you enough time to finish the enemy. The developers programmed the ammo to behave as realistically as possible, so, I guess you could say that this is a closer representation of the real-life APCR ammo than what we'd see on other games. Also, as far as I know, no one uses APCR IRL anymore, since the APDSFS shells are much more effective... If I'm mistaken, I'd like to hear the corrections.

[kamikazi21358]

Originally posted by Chaoslink:

Given you’re still in the tanks sights, bailing can be more dangerous as they would likely have coaxial guns already sighted on you.

It also depends what range you’re at too:
Say if your enemy that just knocked you out is at 200m away, getting out would probably fairly dangerous, like mentioned; however if your tank is cooking off tbf I would risk it.
The average combat range of Central Europe the Russians estimated in a WW3 scenario would be between about 1000-2000m, so if you were say knocked out 1-2km away, the MGs usually are only accurate about 600m away maximum, 1000 would be an area target and above that is pretty inaccurate, so bailing at 1-2km away might be safe to get out while I would personally guess staying in the tank might actually be more dangerous, as the vehicle may shoot again to make sure the vehicle blows up to ensure that it is inoperable.

[NAF-5th.Legion-Waffen.Div]

Originally posted by trevorkrause:

Originally posted by Maki Nishikino:

I think what they mean is the crew that are still alive bailed.

Thats also false as if the tank still drives the remaining crew try to return it to base obviously.

wrong on so many levels, if the tank you sit in takes a hit that goes right through, youre not gonna stay around and wait for the next penetrating hit. and there are also thing like heat and metal fragments to concider.