high tier is who can rush and spawn kill the best

[r0b0wnz]

75% of matches the team gets rushed by xm1s and the same xm1s either spawn kill us or die and spawn kill in a helicopter/cas the other 25% i try to be careful get into a good spot and get nuked by a helicopter how is this friggin fair?

Just earlier i was in a game on italy or whatever with 1 spawn/cap point and within 1min we had xm1s blocking the spawn and killing everyone who came out lucklily we had a few good players who went for the obj and managed to kill them but still wtf is that?

[kamikazi21358]

Gaijin:
Bigger maps and br decompression can practically solve almost every issue 6.0+

but we won’t

[SirLlamaGeddon]

Maps don't need to be insanely huge but we dont need something like a normal normady map which is spawn kill central to ruin the gameplay. At the same time I don't want to squint my eyes just to see a spec in the distance constantly. There has to be a median and they still have not figured it out yet....

[uɐɐılʎʇs]

Originally posted by ⚡Sir Llama Geddon⚡:

Maps don't need to be insanely huge but we dont need something like a normal normady map which is spawn kill central to ruin the gameplay. At the same time I don't want to squint my eyes just to see a spec in the distance constantly. There has to be a median and they still have not figured it out yet....

Map design helps aswell. Having a decent amount of terrain, buildings, etc stopping long range shots direct onto spawn. Maps that are also too wide to offer any real resistence to spawn type flankers.
No real reason to have objectives if you can bypass them and spawn camp within a few minutes of game start.

[kamikazi21358]

Not to mention, we’re getting into the era with 1100-1500 HP engines, 120-125mm guns shooting APFSDS, 3-5km range missiles, 5km laser rangefinders that find distance to the nearest 25m, not to mention we don’t even have NV, IRV, and FCS modeled in game yet.

For Rank 5+, I think Gaijin for both RB and SB (expecially SB, they should get even bigger versions), we should get special 5km by 5km range maps for these gamemodes (say up to 8x8 for flatter ones and maybe 4x4 for Urban maps), this would make gameplay way more enjoyable and realistic, and you wouldn’t be able to reach the other spawn in literally 45 seconds flat.

[Zalzany]

Originally posted by kamikazi21358:

Gaijin:
Bigger maps and br decompression can practically solve almost every issue 6.0+

but we won’t

Player: I have no idea what I am talking about, but I guess a bigger map will fixe everything. *Gets bigger map* Damn it! I just got killed by other team rushing to the best ambush spots, if only gajin made the maps even bigger! Then it wouldn't be all about who gets the best spots first, and I could show off my leet skills at staying in the back and waiting for half the team to be wounded so I can swoop in and get 12 kills!.

*Gajin gives every one the same exact vehichles, and spawn protection* Man every time i leave the no kill circle I die, its not fair their crew skills must be better then mine, stupid p2w crew skills ruining the game. And any time my team is winning for some reason half the enemy refuses to come out of spawn protection area to pay crazy high repair bills WTH GAJIN!

[kamikazi21358]

Originally posted by Zalzany:

Originally posted by kamikazi21358:

Gaijin:
Bigger maps and br decompression can practically solve almost every issue 6.0+

but we won’t

Player: I have no idea what I am talking about, but I guess a bigger map will fixe everything.

The farthest confirmed tank kill in history is 4700-5100 meters, the largest tank maps in the entire game are only 3600-3800m, and 95% of the time they are SB exclusive even at high tier.

Here is an example of what I can do at rank 5-6, on a Simulator match:
>spawn
>drive 10 seconds
>kill someone on the other side of the map that just barely spawned.

In Simulator Battles, you literally can spawncamp from the other side of the map.

Originally posted by Zalzany:

*Gets bigger map* Damn it! I just got killed by other team rushing to the best ambush spots, if only gajin made the maps even bigger! Then it wouldn't be all about who gets the best spots first, and I could show off my leet skills at staying in the back and waiting for half the team to be wounded so I can swoop in and get 12 kills!.

I already get 8-12 kill games, but not the point.

>rush ambush spots
Yeah that’s realistic, on a 5km by 5km+ at high tier, yeah that’s completely fine. That’s what tank combat often is, who gets a good spot.

Originally posted by Zalzany:

*Gajin gives every one the same exact vehichles, and spawn protection* Man every time i leave the no kill circle I die, its not fair their crew skills must be better then mine, stupid p2w crew skills ruining the game. And any time my team is winning for some reason half the enemy refuses to come out of spawn protection area to pay crazy high repair bills WTH GAJIN!

Wait, wtf does this have to do with map size?

Except for very few circumstances though, this game isn’t P2W. It’s pay to progress.

Also, this paragraph makes little sense, I am assuming English is your second language?

[A Toaster]

Originally posted by Mirage:

Play high tier, spawn, drive 5 seconds forwards and you're being shot at from the enemy spawn.
Drive towards a cap, halfway there there's an Abrams who's already behind you, shoot Abrams, Abrams never die in 1 shot, die everytime.
Spawn, get spawnkilled because poor map design, get killed by heli from 5km out that you can't even see, get killed by FMJ.

thats why i only play 3.3 pz4f2

[KissHUN *;--;*]

Originally posted by Zalzany:

Originally posted by kamikazi21358:

Gaijin:
Bigger maps and br decompression can practically solve almost every issue 6.0+

but we won’t

Player: I have no idea what I am talking about, but I guess a bigger map will fixe everything. *Gets bigger map* Damn it! I just got killed by other team rushing to the best ambush spots, if only gajin made the maps even bigger! Then it wouldn't be all about who gets the best spots first, and I could show off my leet skills at staying in the back and waiting for half the team to be wounded so I can swoop in and get 12 kills!.

*Gajin gives every one the same exact vehichles, and spawn protection* Man every time i leave the no kill circle I die, its not fair their crew skills must be better then mine, stupid p2w crew skills ruining the game. And any time my team is winning for some reason half the enemy refuses to come out of spawn protection area to pay crazy high repair bills WTH GAJIN!

bla bla bla... its always easy to blame the community for every problem rather than acknowledging the faults of the game and fix it.

there is my example: i just started to research french tanks, its pain in the a.ss but thats what i expected from french tier1, the real problem there is till no flexible map variation for tank tiers, on the maginot map its taking 10 minute to reach one cap zone with my r.39 tank which only capable 20km/h speed... and that was only one cap zone.

in high tier battles its a perfect map but in low tiers... you be bored to death.

ofcourse people also suggested many times to gaijin give low tier(1,2) tanks small maps, on tier 3 and 4 bigger maps, and top tier they get max possible size, but of course this one also not reached the devs ear in the past years.

[Nobody410]

Originally posted by kamikazi21358:

Originally posted by Zalzany:

Player: I have no idea what I am talking about, but I guess a bigger map will fixe everything.

The farthest confirmed tank kill in history is 4700-5100 meters, the largest tank maps in the entire game are only 3600-3800m, and 95% of the time they are SB exclusive even at high tier.

Here is an example of what I can do at rank 5-6, on a Simulator match:
>spawn
>drive 10 seconds
>kill someone on the other side of the map that just barely spawned.

In Simulator Battles, you literally can spawncamp from the other side of the map.

Originally posted by Zalzany:

*Gets bigger map* Damn it! I just got killed by other team rushing to the best ambush spots, if only gajin made the maps even bigger! Then it wouldn't be all about who gets the best spots first, and I could show off my leet skills at staying in the back and waiting for half the team to be wounded so I can swoop in and get 12 kills!.

I already get 8-12 kill games, but not the point.

>rush ambush spots
Yeah that’s realistic, on a 5km by 5km+ at high tier, yeah that’s completely fine. That’s what tank combat often is, who gets a good spot.

Originally posted by Zalzany:

*Gajin gives every one the same exact vehichles, and spawn protection* Man every time i leave the no kill circle I die, its not fair their crew skills must be better then mine, stupid p2w crew skills ruining the game. And any time my team is winning for some reason half the enemy refuses to come out of spawn protection area to pay crazy high repair bills WTH GAJIN!

Wait, wtf does this have to do with map size?

Except for very few circumstances though, this game isn’t P2W. It’s pay to progress.

Also, this paragraph makes little sense, I am assuming English is your second language?

Yes tiers 6 map need a rework. t-80b 30% win rate - abrams/xm1 70% win rate.
Soooo equilibrate.

[kamikazi21358]

Originally posted by evil-tirsha:

Yes tiers 6 map need a rework. t-80b 30% win rate - abrams/xm1 70% win rate.
Soooo equilibrate.

T-80B is getting Kontakt-1 ERA, so hopefully this helps.

I keep saying this but I want people to kind of know: the ‘T-80BV’ we’re about to get is not the true T-80BV:


T-80B: came out in 1978, features
60mm RHA > 100mm Textolite > 45mm RHA
which if you look in X-Ray, is what it says, however

T-80B (1983): in 1983, T-80Bs received a appliqué 16mm high hardness RHA steel armor plate on the UFP.

T-80BV: 1985, the T-80BV was released, which was NOT the T-80B. The T-80BV gets new hull armor completely,
50mm RHA > 35mm Textolite > 50mm RHA > 35mm Textolite > 50mm RHA
which was stronger than the T-64B obr. 1984 and even is the same armor used on the T-80U. As well of course, it gets Kontakt-1.

But, there were the T-80Bs still, you can’t literally just rip the armor off of them and reinstall in in the new configuration, so what they did was:
Add a 30mm plate to the UFP
Add Kontakt-1.
...if you look in game, that is exacly what we’re getting.



So hopefully, in the far future (after we get to top tier Cold War, etc.), we could hopefully have all variants of the B represented:

T-80B: original T-80B, with appropriate ammunition (3BM15, 3BM22, and 3BM26 would be accurate for the era).
Could have add on armor as the 16mm plate for the 1983 upgrade.

T-80B (1985): perhaps in subfolder of the original T-80B, would start with the 30mm modernized plate like the in game version and Kontakt-1 upgrade.
Era specific ammo would probably be 3BM-22, 3BM26, 3BM32, and 3BM42 I would imagine. This would separate the 2 T-80Bs: otherwise the original B would be seriously uptiered.

T-80BV: the real T-80BV, with the improved hull, etc, probably same ammo as the B (1985).

[Evill Bob]

Here's an idea, do like what most good team based games do and have a protected spawn area. There are already mechanics in the game for Ground Forces to deal with any theoretical player hiding in their spawn. And the solution doesn't have to be total invincibility: buildings, rocks, whatever just make sure the enemy can't get there or at the very least make the spawn points so numberious that getting close is a terrible idea as a tank could poof into existance behind you and get an easy kill on your sportless chassis.

If 1 in 3 games I have to abuse the spawn invincibility mechanic to nail a camper, it's a problem. The solution may inconvenience someone else but unless you want War Thunder to die then suck it up. Spawn camping is only fun to those doing the spawn camping and may encourage players to leave the game in favor of clear alternatives. The list of online games that died because they didn't make the game fun for the majority of players is a very long one.

[kamikazi21358]

Originally posted by Evill Bob:

Here's an idea, do like what most good team based games do and have a protected spawn area. There are already mechanics in the game for Ground Forces to deal with any theoretical player hiding in their spawn. And the solution doesn't have to be total invincibility: buildings, rocks, whatever just make sure the enemy can't get there or at the very least make the spawn points so numberious that getting close is a terrible idea as a tank could poof into existance behind you and get an easy kill on your sportless chassis.

If 1 in 3 games I have to abuse the spawn invincibility mechanic to nail a camper, it's a problem. The solution may inconvenience someone else but unless you want War Thunder to die then suck it up. Spawn camping is only fun to those doing the spawn camping and may encourage players to leave the game in favor of clear alternatives. The list of online games that died because they didn't make the game fun for the majority of players is a very long one.

Since ‘spawning’ is unrealistic in itself, perhaps a more realistic and better way of spawn protection:

Perhaps the player spawns slightly behind the original spawnpoints, like 200-300m back or so (maps need a massive size increase anyways rank 3+), and have it where it is not possible to kill players in this area or enemies reach the area.

The player has like 3 minutes to leave their own spawn, so they can’t camp in their spawn at the end of the match.

Perhaps something like this will:
>make spawncamping not possible at all
>players cannot abuse spawn protection
>simulate players ‘driving to the battlefield’ instead of just popping into existence, which is infinitely more realistic.

[kamikazi21358]

Originally posted by Mirage:

I'd rather just see the whole side of the map be a spawnpoint so you can decide where you spawn and people can't camp a single spawn.. as well as enemies being marked on the map when they get close to the enemy spawn.

Actually that is also kind of a good idea...