Swedish tanks and Pictures on them!

[SwedishStyle97]

So some people have no idea about that we Swedes build our own tanks.

So i was thinking to write down a tank and a picture of the tank so some people can see what tanks we build during the years :)

Btw there is more tanks but i decided to upload some that i think will interest some people!

Strv m/40K
https://www.net-maquettes.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/Strv-M40-43.jpg

Ikv 72
http://wiki.gcdn.co/images/0/07/Ikv_72_production_version.jpg

Pvkv m/43 (1946)
http://www.ointres.se/pvkv_m43-6.JPG

Strv m/42
https://i.imgur.com/EUofkFM.jpg

And Strv m/42 "Delat Torn"
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/9e/c5/23/9ec523c3ead5343f8f10c5daaea8ebb5.jpg

Landsverk L-62 ANTI II
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8f/Finnish_AA_tank.jpg

Lvkv fm/43 (1947)
https://i.imgur.com/rRG47so.jpg

[jackoid]

Początkowo opublikowane przez AK Rowling:

Top 3 reasons Sweden shouldn't be in the game (apparently):

1. Not enough vehicles. - Not true.

2. Didn't participate in WW2 - Irrelevant.

3. I don't like Sweden - Asshat.

Repeat these a million times and never read. Every forum post about Sweden. The Steam forums are awesome guys, truly.

How is number 2 irrelevant? Are you forgetting this game is set during WW2 and the Cold War, both of which Sweden were militarily and politically neutral. Who are the Swedes supposed to fight in a match?

[Stridswombat]

This game is hardly realistic when it comes to that considering countries that never even saw each other fought, including countries that were allied to each other for 1.

Secondly no one fought anyone during the cold war. Hence why it's called the cold war.

Lastly, Sweden may be neutrals but it's pretty damn obvious which side it would land in the cold war. Beyond the fact that Sweden participates in military exercises with NATO countries all the time, Norway is in NATO and take a guess which side Sweden is going to be on. Here's a hint, it's not going to be the side fighting Norway.

As for WW2, considering Sweden was literally surrounded by German occupied countries on every side and Germany had plans in place to invade Sweden, that makes it a pretty clear cut case in my book.

The only difference between Belgium, Norway or any other neutral countries in WW2 is Germany hadn't gotten around to invading it.

Again, if Sweden didn't participate during WW2 is irrelevant because the vehicles are there and if it wasn't irrelevant it wouldn't be possible for countries that were allied or never fought each other to do so.

[jackoid]

Początkowo opublikowane przez AK Rowling:

This game is hardly realistic when it comes to that considering countries that never even saw each other fought, including countries that were allied to each other for 1.

Secondly no one fought anyone during the cold war. Hence why it's called the cold war.

Lastly, Sweden may be neutrals but it's pretty damn obvious which side it would land in the cold war. Beyond the fact that Sweden participates in military exercises with NATO countries all the time, Norway is in NATO and take a guess which side Sweden is going to be on. Here's a hint, it's not going to be the side fighting Norway.

As for WW2, considering Sweden was literally surrounded by German occupied countries on every side and Germany had plans in place to invade Sweden, that makes it a pretty clear cut case in my book.

The only difference between Belgium, Norway or any other neutral countries in WW2 is Germany hadn't gotten around to invading it.

Again, if Sweden didn't participate during WW2 is irrelevant because the vehicles are there and if it wasn't irrelevant it wouldn't be possible for countries that were allied or never fought each other to do so.

I know there was no fighting between the major powers in the cold war, hence why I referred to Sweden's political neutrality. Mannerheim stopped Germany invading Sweden, so it was extremely unlikely Germany would disgregard the Finns' orders. Belgium and Norway weren't independent, Germany declared war on both, unlike on Sweden. You basically want to rewrite history, typical Swede to be honest, looking at how DICE have bastardised WW2.

[kamikazi21358]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Stasi:

Początkowo opublikowane przez AK Rowling:

2. Didn't participate in WW2 - Irrelevant.

How is number 2 irrelevant?

Sweden isn’t, but Finland did, which a finish line in the Swedish tree has multiple times been discussed. In Simulator Battles (if it had a historical MM (plz Gaijin) ) and events Swedish vehicle’s may not participate in WW2 era events, but the Finnish line would probably.

As well, in a World War III scenario, chances are Sweden would be fighting with NATO.

[Farty Marty]

Not gonna lie Sweden would be a good addition but id love to see the brits get the MK-2 Olifant as a premium

[SwedishStyle97]

Początkowo opublikowane przez F.B.I.:

Not gonna lie Sweden would be a good addition but id love to see the brits get the MK-2 Olifant as a premium

It will be the most depressed countrie in the game.

[SwedishStyle97]

I would love to see this Finnish fighter plane
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0b/VL_Pyorremyrsky_070707.JPG/300px-VL_Pyorremyrsky_070707.JPG

[Stridswombat]

Początkowo opublikowane przez kamikazi21358:

Sweden isn’t, but Finland did, which a finish line in the Swedish tree has multiple times been discussed. In Simulator Battles (if it had a historical MM (plz Gaijin) ) and events Swedish vehicle’s may not participate in WW2 era events, but the Finnish line would probably.

As well, in a World War III scenario, chances are Sweden would be fighting with NATO.

Finland wasn't on Germany's side so much as they were anti-soviet. They were only fighting to regain territory the USSR effectively stole in the Winter War. They would never have fought British, US or any other allied troops. They just wanted what was theirs back.

As evidence for this, Mannerheim refused to move further than the previous Finnish-Soviet border before the Winter War once they had reclaimed all areas of Finland taken. As I mentioned before he also refused the Germans a German invasion of Sweden through Finland.

So as stated, they weren't so much on Germany's side as they wanted the territory taken by force back. Following that same logic, Sweden had zero interest in going to war with neither the US, UK or France. Germany was however a ever constant threat looming of invasion looming over Sweden, for which they had prepared for.

The Swedish army went from roughly a handful modern tanks at the start of WW2 to nearly 900 tanks and over a thousand armoured vehicles when the war ended. These were built to defend against a potential invasion by Germany, not the allies.

[SwedishStyle97]

Im guessing that the Swedish tree will get a foreigner tank in Rank 3. Since there is only 1 tank the Strv m/42 Delat Torn
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/9e/c5/23/9ec523c3ead5343f8f10c5daaea8ebb5.jpg

Penetration
https://i.imgur.com/yw22RYD.jpg

So im guessing either a Sherman or a Sherman firefly. Since we bought and tested them in Sweden.

If they decide to add Finland to the tree. Then i hope that the Ps. 245-4 (T-34/85 with a german 75mm StuK40 L48) same gun as the Stug III G. I think the battle rating would be 4.7 or 5.0

https://forum.warthunder.com/uploads/monthly_2018_01/T-34-85.jpg.ce75f70fd7da9130e480005af72af38c.jpg

[Stridswombat]

Początkowo opublikowane przez SwedishStyle97:

Im guessing that the Swedish tree will get a foreigner tank in Rank 3. Since there is only 1 tank the Strv m/42 Delat Torn
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/9e/c5/23/9ec523c3ead5343f8f10c5daaea8ebb5.jpg

Penetration
https://i.imgur.com/yw22RYD.jpg

So im guessing either a Sherman or a Sherman firefly. Since we bought and tested them in Sweden.

If they decide to add Finland to the tree. Then i hope that the Ps. 245-4 (T-34/85 with a german 75mm StuK40 L48) same gun as the Stug III G. I think the battle rating would be 4.7 or 5.0

https://forum.warthunder.com/uploads/monthly_2018_01/T-34-85.jpg.ce75f70fd7da9130e480005af72af38c.jpg

2. Atleast. Strv 74 has to go into rank 3. No where else it can go really. Plus if they do add the Norwegian Chaffee and Danish Walker Bulldog.

And the Shermans are really bad suggestion. By that logic there should be an AMX-13 in there because we tested them too. We never used those tanks.

[kamikazi21358]

Początkowo opublikowane przez AK Rowling:

Początkowo opublikowane przez SwedishStyle97:

Im guessing that the Swedish tree will get a foreigner tank in Rank 3. Since there is only 1 tank the Strv m/42 Delat Torn
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/9e/c5/23/9ec523c3ead5343f8f10c5daaea8ebb5.jpg

Penetration
https://i.imgur.com/yw22RYD.jpg

So im guessing either a Sherman or a Sherman firefly. Since we bought and tested them in Sweden.

If they decide to add Finland to the tree. Then i hope that the Ps. 245-4 (T-34/85 with a german 75mm StuK40 L48) same gun as the Stug III G. I think the battle rating would be 4.7 or 5.0

https://forum.warthunder.com/uploads/monthly_2018_01/T-34-85.jpg.ce75f70fd7da9130e480005af72af38c.jpg

2. Atleast. Strv 74 has to go into rank 3. No where else it can go really. Plus if they do add the Norwegian Chaffee and Danish Walker Bulldog.

And the Shermans are really bad suggestion. By that logic there should be an AMX-13 in there because we tested them too. We never used those tanks.

They could make potential premiums.

[Stridswombat]

Początkowo opublikowane przez kamikazi21358:

They could make potential premiums.

But why though? Why use them as premiums when they could be used to fill out the tree and make a better tech tree? If the tech tree has a gap then it's probably in rank 3. They happen to land where vehicles are needed the most.

You can use them to A, fill out the most barren part of the tree, atleast where tanks are concerned, or B replace some Centurions with them which basically eliminates all copy/paste vehicles from the tree aside from Leopard 2.

[SwedishStyle97]

The only tanks that would be in the tree that is not foreigner is the Strv m/42 Delat Torn and the Ps. 245-4.
Maybe the Strv 74 so only 3. Dont know if that is enough.

[Stridswombat]

Początkowo opublikowane przez SwedishStyle97:

The only tanks that would be in the tree that is not foreigner is the Strv m/42 Delat Torn and the Ps. 245-4.
Maybe the Strv 74 so only 3. Dont know if that is enough.

You could probably add Pvkv 2 to that list too to be fair. Yeah I guess it would technically be classed as a tank destroyer because it's an upgunned light tank, but it is turret with reasonable mobility.

If the forum post is right and it has 12 degrees of turret traverse a second, then you could basically play it like a tank or atleast like a US turreted TD like a hellcat.

There's also the possiblity of putting Pvkv 3 and 4 in there too. There's a oddly large amount of vehicles that have been made premium. Especially if you look at say the French or Japanese tree. There's a very large amount of vehicle that could go into the tech tree that are listed as premium vehicles.

[SwedishStyle97]

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The only tanks that would be in the tree that is not foreigner is the Strv m/42 Delat Torn and the Ps. 245-4.
Maybe the Strv 74 so only 3. Dont know if that is enough.

You could probably add Pvkv 2 to that list too to be fair. Yeah I guess it would technically be classed as a tank destroyer because it's an upgunned light tank, but it is turret with reasonable mobility.

If the forum post is right and it has 12 degrees of turret traverse a second, then you could basically play it like a tank or atleast like a US turreted TD like a hellcat.

There's also the possiblity of putting Pvkv 3 and 4 in there too. There's a oddly large amount of vehicles that have been made premium. Especially if you look at say the French or Japanese tree. There's a very large amount of vehicle that could go into the tech tree that are listed as premium vehicles.

There is 3 tank destroyer in rank 3.

The Pvkv m/43 (1946)
Engine: Volvo A8B (Gasoline 410 hp at 2300 rpm)
Power to weight ratio: 17,8 hp/t

Penetration @ 90 dg (APHEBC-T):
10 m: 142 mm
100 m: 139 mm
500 m: 125 mm
1000 m: 109 mm
1500 m: 96 mm
2000 m: 84 mm

Im guessing 4.7 or 5.0 Battle rating

Pvkv m/43 (1963)
Engine: x2 Scania-Vabis L 603/1 (Gasoline 330 hp at 2300 rpm)
Power to weight ratio: 13,2 hp/t

Penetration @ 90 dg (APDS-T):

10 m: 242 mm
100 m: 237 mm
500 m: 220 mm
1000 m: 200 mm
1500 m: 182 mm
2000 m: 166 mm

5.7 or 6.0

If u include Pvkv Värjan
Engine: Scania-Vabis 1664 (Gasoline 145 hp at 2300 rpm)
Power to weight ratio: 15,1 hp/t

Penetration @ 90 dg (APHE):
10 m: 86 mm
100 m: 83 mm
500 m: 70 mm
1000 m: 57 mm
1500 m: 46 mm
2000 m: 38 mm

Penetration @ 30 dg @ 500 m (APDS): 135 mm

Rank 2 battle rating 3.3 since the Pz. IV F2 has 135 mm APHE

Pvkv III
Engine: Scania-Vabis L 603/3 (Gasoline 165 hp at 2320 rpm)
Power to weight ratio: 13,7 hp/t

Same penetration as the Pvkv Värjan
So 3.3 battle rating.

Pvkv II
Engine: Scania-Vabis L 603/3 (Gasoline 165 hp at 2320 rpm)
Power to weight ratio: 13,7 hp/t

No information about penetration.