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So the Swedish Centurions (Strv 101, 102, 104, 105) was capable of firing the following shells (in order of lowest to highest penetration):
Slpprj m/62 - APDS
Slpprj m/61 - APDS
Slpprj m/66 - APDS
Slpprj m/80 - APFSDS
Slpprj m/90C - APFSDS
Slspgr m/61 - HESH
Slsgr m/61 - HE
Rökgr m/61 - Smoke
The ammunition that could be fired by the Stridsvagn 103 variations (A, B, C, D):
Slpprj m/62 - APDS
Slpprj m/66 - APDS
Slpprj m/80 - APFSDS
Slpprj m/90S - APFSDS
Slsgr m/61 - HE
Rökgr m/61 - Smoke
Stridsvagn 101/102 was initially issued the following AP ammunition:
Slpprj m/61- APDS
Slpprj m/62 - APDS
Slpprj m/66 - APDS
Slspgr m/61 - HESH
By the late 80's Slpprj m/80 (APFSDS) has also became available.
Stridsvagn 104 (and 105) had the following in the 80's:
Slpprj m/80 - APFSDS
Slpprj m/62 - APDS
Slpprj m/66 - APDS
Slspgr m/61 - HESH
In the 90's Slpprj m/90C (APFSDS) also became available.
Stridsvagn 103 A and B were issued the following AP ammuntion:
Slpprj m/62 - APDS
Slpprj m/66 - APDS
Stridsvagn 103C (and D) were issued:
Slpprj m/62 - APDS
Slpprj m/66 - APDS
In the 80's Slpprj m/80 (APFSDS) were added and in the 90's Slpprj M/90S (APFSDS) became available.
So to summarize Stridsvagn 101 and 102 could be given HESH, Slpprj m/61, m/62 or m/66 with possibly Slpprj m/80 as an unlock.
Stridsvagn 104 could be HESH, Slpprj m/66 stock and then either Slpprj m/80 or m/90C as an unlock. It's also possible to add Stridsvagn 105 and give that Slpprj m/80 stock and m/90C as unlock.
Stridsvagn 103A could get Slpprj m/62
Stridsvagn 103B could get Slpprj m/61 + Slpprj m/66 as an unlock.
Stridsvagn 103C could either be given Slpprj m/80 stock or Slpprj m/66 with Slpprj m/80 unlock. Slpprj m/90S is also an option.
Stridsvagn 103D could be given Slpprj m/80 stock with Slpprj m/90S as an unlock.
Btw the tank is fast 60 kph.
Wouldn't the Swedish tech tree at its best not be big enough for the game's standards?
And you know, your nation wasn't on anyone's side.. on which side in the game would it fight on?
Here is a Swedish tank and air force tree
Tanks
https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/391181-independent-swedish-ground-forces-tree/&
Air force
https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/415108-independent-swedish-air-forces-tree/
Sweden is the last country that can have a own Tech Tree. Planes, Tanks and Navy.
Gajiin have been interesting in Swedish planes.
They were thinking to add the Saab 29 Tunnan to the german tree.
http://www.x-plane.org/home/urf/aviation/img/tunnan/n09_6-j29-2.jpg
Sweden can be on the Axis side so it will be 4 vs 4 insteed of 5 vs 3.
And cold war in the NATO side. Since our tanks was build to fight Russian tanks in the north of Sweden.
Strv m/40K looks like a good low tier tank, although itd probably become another panzer3b, good but not as good as other options.
Ikv 72 again another decent tank, but not as good as other options.
Pvkv m/43 (1946) same stuff
Strv m/42 same stuff
Strv m/42 "Delat Torn" same stuff
Landsverk L-62 ANTI II be better if it was in the german tree seems it was used by the finnish, it could even be under the uk tree as its british design.
Lvkv fm/43 (1947) for finnish and hungarians, so again if seen in game it should be in the german tree
Strv 103A probably the worst tank in existance, 40mm of armour and a gun with no rotation whatsoever, nope.
Strv 104 should go in the UK tree seems its literally a centurion modification
Strv 74 looks decent
Ikv 91 should go into US tree as they were imported to US
Ikv 105 same as above
VEAK 40 looks decent
Pvrbv 551 carried a single ATGM, the fact aswell that it had 0 armour and was slow on rough terrian makes it not suitable
Strv K (project tank) the tank is not real, the image you bring up is a design someone made as an idea for world of tanks to make.
Kranvagn (2 hull was build) "A prototype was never built"-wargaming development team. the hull was based on a french hull so the design of the tank never existed
you got about 7 tanks there that are suitable for use. which barely even makes up a single tier of a tank tech tree, let alone 6 tank tiers.
in all honesty i dont think a swedish tech tree should exist and id prefer that the gaijin development team focus on developing current trees like the japanese, british and french and manage to release the italian tech tree instead of publishing a tech tree where all of the tanks are either foreign design or never saw a single usage.
Ikv 72 was an spg. Its strength lies in a very high speed (57 km/h), very small profile and excellent gun depression of I think 22 degrees. It would be very hard to spot and hit in RB.
Do you consider a Su-76 to be the same as a Stug aswell? Because if not I'd call you a hyppocrite.
M4 Sherman and PZIV are both medium tanks so obviously there's no point in having both clearly.
It had a somewhat unique auto-rammer and turret design that gave it a very high rate of fire.
British design!? What are you on about? It's a Swedish vehicle designed and built in Sweden mounting Swedish autocannons.
It was ordered from Landsverk by the Swedish military to be used in Sweden... It has literally nothing to do with neither Finland nor Hungary.
Shows what you know. When it came out it was the best protected MBT in the world. It was virtually immune to APDS and HEAT. Everything would just richochet off the 80 or so degree angle.
It's an extremely heavily upgraded Centurion with ERA armour and a much better engine. It is on par with the Israeli Sho't and carries many of the same upgrades.
You literally said there was no point in having Stridsvagn m/42 and it's literally an upgrade Stridsvagn m/42. You're not even consistent.
Wtf? Sweden was the only country that used Ikv 91. Also wtf is your logic here, should the Patton's not be in the US tree because other countries used them?
Nope.
You do know it can be reloaded right?...
It was a suggestion to mount a Centurion turret on 1 of the 2 hulls. Both the turret and hull existed and are docummented. https://i.pinimg.com/originals/49/02/c2/4902c299304259e89a716a4763ba9d90.jpg
Evidently it STILL exists.
They finished 2 hulls. Only the turret wasn't completed.
https://i.imgur.com/fR6IlbR.jpg
The only thing in there not built is Stridsvagn K and only because they didn't assemble it. The turret is a regular Centurion turret and the hulls were built.
You clearly have no clue what you're talking about and jsut comes off as a huge hyppocrite.
to the above because i cant be arsed messing around with comments.
Strv m/40K it had up to 15mm of armour and goes up to 28mph, it is one of the slowest tanks of the tier and the lighest tank of the tier, it could pen around 56mm while also facing hull break.
Ikv 72 had around 15mm of armour and an open top, it would have the same fate as the asu57.
Pvkv m/43 (1946) you do understand im relating to the above comments right? *sigh*
Strv m/42 *SIIIGGHH*
Strv m/42 "Delat Torn" please source where you get the data of the tank from and ill be glad to comment on it, coz i cant find nothin on it.
Landsverk L-62 ANTI II the bofors used in the tank is a british design, it was still never used for sweden and was manufactured for finalnd so it would still go into the german tree.
Lvkv fm/43 (1947) it was a ww2 design that was given to the hungarians and finnish under a manufacture agreement, they were updated by hungary and finland in 1947 for the 1947 model to keep them up to date.
Strv 103A it has 40mm of armour, it was constantly have hull break and would be instakilled by HE. it also had a small flat area at the front of the hull of 40mm of armour that would be spammed by spaa, also the fact that THE GUN DOES NOT ROTATE WHATSOEVER.
Strv 104 israeli tanks go into the US tree, so a uk tank modified should go into the UK tree.
Strv 74 dont put words into my mouth
Ikv 91 """The Ikv 91 and Ikv 105 were marketed for export and was tested by both India and the United States. The weight was 18 tons and the speed in water was increased to 12 km/h, the main gun was a low recoil fully stabilized version of a high pressure Bofors gun. It had an IR system by SAAB which gave it full night capability. Both the gunner and commander had monitors and could fire the main gun.""" still better to have it in US tree
Ikv 105 exact same as above, better for those tanks to be in US so people will actually use them.
Pvrbv 551 still doesnt remove the fact that it doesnt have a turret, is slow on rough terrain and has 0 armour, the BMPs are good in the game because they have enough armour to bounce secondary rounds and have a main gun plus ATGMs, this has NOTHING, might aswell just have infantry in the game coz itll be just as effective.
Strv K the tank did not exist, the image he shows is a tank design made by a bloke as a recommendation for WOT, THE DESIGN YOU SHOW IS MORE FRENCH THAN SWEDISH, the hulls which are the only thing to exist of the tank are french designs.
Kranvagn if in WT it would be french as the hulls were french.
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hypocritical
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mate stfu, i said it was MY OPINION, TAKE WITH A PINCH OF SALT.
Stridsvagn m/40K has up to 30mm+ applique armour added to it. It's frontal hull thickness was 48mm and the turret front was 50mm. It had a topspeed of 45 km/h.
37mm Bofors cannons has according to Finnish records a penetration of 33mm at 500m against a 60 degree angle. When compared to a 37mm M6 cannon mounted on a late Stuart it comes up to 25mm of penetration with AP and 30mm with APCBC. 37mm Bofors guns also had both AP and APHE shells.
No light tanks in the game like it can be hull broken.
https://i.imgur.com/wGSvjbY.jpg
This is taken straight from the archives.
Basically nearly everything you said is wrong and you're doing nothing but spreading misinformation. You're being a jack ass.
Already before the start of production for the Strv m/42 there had been some research into replacing the short 75mm gun chosen in 1941.
By September of 1943 the Bofors company was tasked with developing a new turret for the Strv m/42, this turret would make use of the new high velocity 75 mm Pvkan m/43 gun that was in development at the time and also be equipped with a automatic loading system for the main gun.
The first draft for the new turret was ready by the 22nd of March 1944. This turret featured the 75mm Pvkan m/43 gun mounted outside the enclosed part of the turret.
Essentially the gun sat in a sort of cradle in the middle surrounded by the commander and gunners position on the right and the loader’s position on the left. Due to the strange configuration, this new turret was nicknamed “delat torn” (Divided turret).
The gun was equipped with a automatic rammer fed by a five round magazine which would be reloaded by the loader. The gun had an estimated mechanical rate of fire of 20 rounds per minute and In total, the tank carried 42 rounds of ammunition.
By late 1944 a wooden mock-up of the “delat torn” had been finished and mounted on a Strv m/42 chassis. A functional prototype with some minor changes to the design had also been ordered by KAFT with an estimated delivery time of spring 1945. But the work on the prototype turret was slow and the originally intended delivery date could not be kept, in fact the prototype turret would not be ready for demonstration untill May 16th 1946
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Despite increasing the weight of the Strv m/42 by another ton the new turret was sucessfull in improving the firepower of the Strv m/42 immensly without adversely impacting the mobility of the tank. The Automatic rammer worked well during the testing and did offer a distinct advantage in rate of fire over a traditional gun, in fact during trials the autoloader was able to fire 4 rounds in 8,2 seconds. The Pvkan m/43 also offered a huge advantage in penetration compared to the Strvkan m/41 especially with the improved penetration of the APDS projectile introduced in 1949.
There were drawbacks to the "Delat torn" hower. Due to the way the loading system was constructed there was no way to unload the magazine from inside the turret, meaning you were stuck with whatever ammunition type you had loaded untill you had fired all 5 shells. The system was also hard to seal from the dust thrown up when firing the main gun.
Ultimately the prototype "Delat torn" turret would be canceled after tests and troop trials between 1946-1948.
Data: Strv m/42 DT
Weight: 23,5 ton
Armor hull: 55/30/20
Armor Turret: 60/30/30
Armament: 7,5cm Pvkan m/43 & x3 8mm Ksp m/39
yw22RYD.jpg
Depression/elevaion: -10/+10
Ammo: 42 rounds
Engine: Volvo A8B (410hp)
Top speed: 45kph
Speed 45 kph
Armor (turret)
Front: 50 mm
Side: 20 mm
Rear: 35 mm
Roof: 5 mm
Armor (hull)
Front: 35 mm
Side: 18 mm
Rear: 13 mm
Roof: 5-9 mm
Floor: 12 mm
Main armament: 37 mm kan m/38 strv
Secondary armament: 2x 8 mm ksp m/39 strv
Gun elevation/depression: +20/-15 dg
Ammo: 100 rounds 37 mm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bofors
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dJDn5F1GQk
I'm sorry but idiots like him piss me off. Ain't my fault it was a really good AA gun and everyone wanted to use it.