AH-1Z Disgustingly overpowered and exploitable.

[Doctor Eggman]

Well... where the hell do I even start with this thing.

I know not many players have it yet, but its gross how you can simply rush a cap and completely destroy the entire enemy team with no consequences whatsoever.

Had this happen where an AH-1Z had spawned in the first 2-3 minutes, killed 2 tanks and then got killed; but then proceeded to kill 9 more tanks in the helicopter.

He killed 9 tanks on our team whilst it was supported by an Abrams and XM-1 push... though the tanks didn't even matter.

The AH-1Z pilot killed so much of our team so quickly that it literally destroyed more than the ENTIRE ARMY of tanks that were approaching us.

I don't know about saying the bloody Abrams is the best tank in the game, I can easily deal with an Abrams... I can't deal with a helo 4km away destroying my entire team with 1 shot kill rockets... with nobody able to spawn in an aircraft to take him down.



I can only imagine how terrible this will get as more people unlock top tier Helicopters...

[Doctor Eggman]

Diposting pertama kali oleh ✯Comrade Tiedanski 五月天:

Diposting pertama kali oleh kamikazi21358:

The thing has 16 anti-tank missiles that can be shot with total impunity from ground fire...

But despite the 16 missiles, without air supremacy, you won't be able to land a single missile on a tank if you have fighters jets in the skies or SPAA although if they are far away they can't be much use.

I recently find Phly's Ki 10 video inspiring and took mine I-15 out to just troll the huey's and it's pretty funny, the money is pretty gud.

"The Hueys" is not the Cobra. It has a 30mm Minigun, aside from the ATGM's the huey is unarmed.

Its also not manueverable compared to the AH-1Z.

Diposting pertama kali oleh kamikazi21358:

However, the ‘if the enemy has air supremacy’ is a big hmm in my book: helicopter damage models are poorly done and are overall weak (I expected them to be weak, but this is ‘not even modeling the armor right’ weak and the dms being as detailed as a 144p video), so I agree some things like this should be done, but ground units have to rely on fighters that are now 700 some SP to take out is pretty sketchy. They at least should have some way to protect themselves, which this can be done by making missiles have realistic ranges (SPAA may not kill a helicopter at 4km (3km actually may be a possibility), but at this range they’ll be in range to many ATGMs).

Helicopters are not entirely helpless though, it’s whether they’re paying attention: I’ve seen plenty of Mi-24s shoot down jets. They’re slow, and easy to kill, but they pack a punch.

An interesting part of helicopters is the way the gunner position swings freely, unlike planes.

This means that when a plane makes a strafing run, the helicopter can pull evasive manuevers whilst aiming accurately at the plane.

This means that the AH-1Z could be banking to the left in a roll whilst the gun is pointed at the plane, essentially allowing the helicopter pilot an easier kill compared to the plane.

Diposting pertama kali oleh Eftwyrd:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Lonely Heart:

*snip*

gotta say ive done better in an m5a1, occasional walkovers with any vehicle are possibe, im not saying i doubt the ah1z is lethal when it goes uncontested like that but good luck if they get fighter cover

You've got 9 kills in 2 or so minutes in top tier with the M5a1? Give me whatever you're taking mate, that's some powerade level stuff. :P

[Eftwyrd]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Lonely Heart:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Eftwyrd:

gotta say ive done better in an m5a1, occasional walkovers with any vehicle are possibe, im not saying i doubt the ah1z is lethal when it goes uncontested like that but good luck if they get fighter cover

You've got 9 kills in 2 or so minutes in top tier with the M5a1? Give me whatever you're taking mate, that's some powerade level stuff. :P

i never said anything about being in top teir and it feels like you are deliberatly misunderstanding the point. the argument you made was not founded on it being in top teir or how fast it was done, it was about a single vehicle dominating a match, the fact that the ah1 got all those kills and single handedly won the match is completley irrelivant to the fact that it did it because it was completely unoposed, a vehicle is not OP because noone brought anything to counter it, under the right circumastances any vehicle can dominate a match as my m5a1 comment was meant to illistrate, just blame the spawn mechanics and/or enemy team for letting it happen, not the vehicle

[Doctor Eggman]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Eftwyrd:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Lonely Heart:

You've got 9 kills in 2 or so minutes in top tier with the M5a1? Give me whatever you're taking mate, that's some powerade level stuff. :P

i never said anything about being in top teir and it feels like you are deliberatly misunderstanding the point. the argument you made was not founded on it being in top teir or how fast it was done, it was about a single vehicle dominating a match, the fact that the ah1 got all those kills and single handedly won the match is completley irrelivant to the fact that it did it because it was completely unoposed, a vehicle is not OP because noone brought anything to counter it, under the right circumastances any vehicle can dominate a match as my m5a1 comment was meant to illistrate, just blame the spawn mechanics and/or enemy team for letting it happen, not the vehicle

Yeah, but nobody listens whenever I blame the meta; so that's a different matter entirely.

And to be fair, low tier is considerably easier than top-tier; if you're using the right vehicle you can roflstomp because of how slow the majority of early vehicles react. (Turret traverse etc)

When you flank a group of Abrams or a few Type 90s... its not quite the same. You're gonna be sprayed with MG's and (potentially) shot back at with cannons the moment you hit them; marking you on the map for everyone to see, where everyone has good optics.

See, in top tier ground vehicles have no real opportunity to react vs a Helicopter and spawn SP for planes is devastating. (720 sp)

9/10 times if you manage to spawn in a plane, if you die you're not spawning again. You HAVE to make it count, whereas Helicopters don't really have to worry about that either.

[Eftwyrd]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Lonely Heart:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Eftwyrd:

i never said anything about being in top teir and it feels like you are deliberatly misunderstanding the point. the argument you made was not founded on it being in top teir or how fast it was done, it was about a single vehicle dominating a match, the fact that the ah1 got all those kills and single handedly won the match is completley irrelivant to the fact that it did it because it was completely unoposed, a vehicle is not OP because noone brought anything to counter it, under the right circumastances any vehicle can dominate a match as my m5a1 comment was meant to illistrate, just blame the spawn mechanics and/or enemy team for letting it happen, not the vehicle

Yeah, but nobody listens whenever I blame the meta; so that's a different matter entirely.

And to be fair, low tier is considerably easier than top-tier; if you're using the right vehicle you can roflstomp because of how slow the majority of early vehicles react. (Turret traverse etc)

When you flank a group of Abrams or a few Type 90s... its not quite the same. You're gonna be sprayed with MG's and (potentially) shot back at with cannons the moment you hit them; marking you on the map for everyone to see, where everyone has good optics.

See, in top tier ground vehicles have no real opportunity to react vs a Helicopter and spawn SP for planes is devastating.

9/10 times if you manage to spawn in a plane, if you die you're not spawning again. You HAVE to make it count, whereas Helicopters don't really have to worry about that either.

im well aware of how top teir works, but again the problem is that noone brought anything to counter the ah1z rather than the ah1z itself, i could do similar amounts of damage in my huey or mi4 if i got lucky with one-shots and noone spawned an aircraft to opose me, the important factor is the total lack of enemy air, not the model of heli

[Doctor Eggman]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Eftwyrd:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Lonely Heart:

Yeah, but nobody listens whenever I blame the meta; so that's a different matter entirely.

And to be fair, low tier is considerably easier than top-tier; if you're using the right vehicle you can roflstomp because of how slow the majority of early vehicles react. (Turret traverse etc)

When you flank a group of Abrams or a few Type 90s... its not quite the same. You're gonna be sprayed with MG's and (potentially) shot back at with cannons the moment you hit them; marking you on the map for everyone to see, where everyone has good optics.

See, in top tier ground vehicles have no real opportunity to react vs a Helicopter and spawn SP for planes is devastating.

9/10 times if you manage to spawn in a plane, if you die you're not spawning again. You HAVE to make it count, whereas Helicopters don't really have to worry about that either.

im well aware of how top teir works, but again the problem is that noone brought anything to counter the ah1z rather than the ah1z itself, i could do similar amounts of damage in my huey or mi4 if i got lucky with one-shots and noone spawned an aircraft to opose me, the important factor is the total lack of enemy air, not the model of heli

The problem dude isn't that nobody brought anything to counter it.

Anyone in top tier is gonna have a plane of some sort. I had a Yak 3 prop ready if necessary.

Its the fact that planes cost so much to spawn into. I couldn't spawn into mine even with a kill and an assist.

Basically if you spawn into an MBT at the beginning, its unlikely you're gonna be able to spawn into a plane without serious effort... and we can't not have MBT's used early game, or else you'll get crushed and spawncamped.

As I said before, spawning a plane is now a dead-end choice, it costs so much SP that if you die or get shot down quickly, you probably wont be respawning = aka, KO.

[Eftwyrd]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Lonely Heart:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Eftwyrd:

im well aware of how top teir works, but again the problem is that noone brought anything to counter the ah1z rather than the ah1z itself, i could do similar amounts of damage in my huey or mi4 if i got lucky with one-shots and noone spawned an aircraft to opose me, the important factor is the total lack of enemy air, not the model of heli

The problem dude isn't that nobody brought anything to counter it.

Anyone in top tier is gonna have a plane of some sort. I had a Yak 3 prop ready if necessary.

Its the fact that planes cost so much to spawn into. I couldn't spawn into mine even with a kill and an assist.

Basically if you spawn into an MBT at the beginning, its unlikely you're gonna be able to spawn into a plane without serious effort... and we can't not have MBT's used early game, or else you'll get crushed and spawncamped.

As I said before, spawning a plane is now a dead-end choice, it costs so much SP that if you die or get shot down quickly, you probably wont be respawning = aka, KO.

again i understand your point but you need to go back and look at the thread title, its not the ah1z which is OP, any helicopter with atgms can do the same, and every single one of them would be vulnerable if the enemy could spawn air, this complaint has nothing to do with the AH1z specifically and everything to do with rb spawn mechanics

[Maki Nishikino]

Be happy it wrongly armed with the TOW and not the Hellfire.

[Doctor Eggman]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Eftwyrd:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Lonely Heart:

The problem dude isn't that nobody brought anything to counter it.

Anyone in top tier is gonna have a plane of some sort. I had a Yak 3 prop ready if necessary.

Its the fact that planes cost so much to spawn into. I couldn't spawn into mine even with a kill and an assist.

Basically if you spawn into an MBT at the beginning, its unlikely you're gonna be able to spawn into a plane without serious effort... and we can't not have MBT's used early game, or else you'll get crushed and spawncamped.

As I said before, spawning a plane is now a dead-end choice, it costs so much SP that if you die or get shot down quickly, you probably wont be respawning = aka, KO.

again i understand your point but you need to go back and look at the thread title, its not the ah1z which is OP, any helicopter with atgms can do the same, and every single one of them would be vulnerable if the enemy could spawn air, this complaint has nothing to do with the AH1z specifically and everything to do with rb spawn mechanics

I know, but that's pretty much my main complaint. The rocketpanzer has hot missiles which perform as well as the upgraded Tow missiles of the AH-1Z and that tank isn't a problem.

Also, I bring up the AH-1Z because of its ammo capacity, since its pretty much the biggest issue atm.

I rarely often end up dying by a Huey because of the lower penetration missiles too. T-64 can take them pretty nicely, as can the Abrams often.

Diposting pertama kali oleh Maki Nishikino:

Be happy it wrongly armed with the TOW and not the Hellfire.

To be fair, it is using the modern TOW with 900+mm of penetration, so roughly on-par with a Hellfire ignoring the fire and forget capability.

It can derp through almost anything regardless of where it hits.

[Maki Nishikino]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Lonely Heart:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Maki Nishikino:

Be happy it wrongly armed with the TOW and not the Hellfire.

To be fair, it is using the modern TOW with 900+mm of penetration, so roughly on-par with a Hellfire ignoring the fire and forget capability.

It can derp through almost anything regardless of where it hits.

It's bogus that it's armed with it at all, the helicopter has no means to communicate with the missile.

[Doctor Eggman]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Maki Nishikino:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Lonely Heart:

To be fair, it is using the modern TOW with 900+mm of penetration, so roughly on-par with a Hellfire ignoring the fire and forget capability.

It can derp through almost anything regardless of where it hits.

It's bogus that it's armed with it at all, the helicopter has no means to communicate with the missile.

That's Gaijin for you I'm afraid. xD

[Maki Nishikino]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Lonely Heart:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Maki Nishikino:

It's bogus that it's armed with it at all, the helicopter has no means to communicate with the missile.

That's Gaijin for you I'm afraid. xD

Indeed.