CL-13A needs balancing.

[pompous]

Why is it allowed to be so OP.

http://thunderskill.com/en/vehicle/f-86_canadair_german

[StingerRPG]

The issue lies more on the allied team being not fighter focused compared to the Axis counterparts.

Also, TS has been given up. And WR doesn't mean everything.

[SirLlamaGeddon]

Originally posted by StingerRPG:

The issue lies more on the allied team being not fighter focused compared to the Axis counterparts.

Also, TS has been given up. And WR doesn't mean everything.

What he/she said ^^^^

[Lain]

CL-13 is fine, you just need to play more tactically.

Is what I'd say if I were Pacifica.

[kamikazi21358]

There is no balance over the BR of 6.7, saying that makes it better because you then expect planes to naturally club other planes.
They say they’re experiementing with supersonic physics and stuff (but nothing is guaranteed), but to be honest I hope they go rank 6 with jets by going full 1950s (MiG-17Fs, MiG-19s, F100s, etc.) - maybe then they expand the BR to 10.0, then decompress and balance 7.0-9.0...

[kev2go]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHbT6BjFvcA



this has been discussed to death, as have been other " Mig17 Hunter, or X airplane is OP" please Ner or balance.


theres is nothing to be done here. Giving other nations even better aircraft will actually tilt the power of balance drastically in the other direction. Where the Cla mk5a has some minor advnatages, Giving USA say an F86H10 or Russia Mig17F would totally be powercreep. and force extended tier 5 if not tier 6 content for everyone.

[kamikazi21358]

Originally posted by kev2go:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHbT6BjFvcA



this has been discussed to death, as have been other " Mig17 Hunter, or X airplane is OP" please Ner or balance.


theres is nothing to be done here. Giving other nations even better aircraft will actually tilt the power of balance drastically in the other direction. Where the Cla mk5a has some minor advnatages, Giving USA say an F86H10 or Russia Mig17F would totally be powercreep. and force extended tier 5 if not tier 6 content for everyone.

I am not saying go 1960s, but (I don’t even care as much) I am in this idea for the balance:
My idea is hopefully if they do early supersonic jets like they’re thinking about, basically open up the entire 1950s, maybe this means they’ll br decompress the entire range to say 10.0 or 11.0, and actually fix the stupid imbalances at 7.0-8.0, and the dumb all 8.0s only or 9.0s only system. I don’t care how they do it, just decompress to 10.0 and make the whole range more diverse. Add more non-supersonic jets of the equivalent strengths if lack of jets is the only problem to the inability of not having 6.3 to 9.0 fully fit. A Me 262A should never be the same br as a F-84, a Me262C should never be the same br as a G.91, and a MiG-15 or whatever should never be the same BR as a Hunter F1 or a Cl-13 or whatever - they need at minimum a full br of decompression: either add more jets so decompression will be easier to do, or just do it; the point is fix it!

[pompous]

Originally posted by Rootin Tootin Putin:

CL-13 is fine, you just need to play more tactically.

Is what I'd say if I were Pacifica.

Can you not read, i am the one the flying the CL-13A, when im in it, Hunter, other sabres and MiGs are easy snacks.

[DarkRocket20]

Originally posted by =SiouX= JuVa:

Originally posted by DarkRocket17:

The CL-13 is the only really good German jet in 8.0 and 9.0. The Mig-15 is worse than most other 9.0s and the Me 262 C1a and C2b are technically 7.0 jets with boosters that give them 7.7 performance for 3 minutes or so and they sit at br 8.0 fighting F-86s and Hunter F1s all day.

The Me-262 C1 and C2 are well capable on 9.0, they have a great climb rate, manouver and it`s rocket boosters work EXACTLY as a Afterburner in the game.
You can take ANY other nations 8.0, not even one can do tha same thing as any german 8.0

The Me262 C1a and C2b were built to intercept bombers and were tested in early 1945. They probably would have entered service in late 1945 or early 1946. They have a great climb rate for 3 minutes only. You already have to spend 30 seconds of that to take off and get to speed. That does not justify a 7.0 plane to be 8.0. As for manouvers; it only turns better at low speeds between 450-550 kph. Since most 8.0 and 9.0 jets fly and and turn at speeds where the elevator of the 262 locks up this is not an advantage.

Also: the CL-13 is only a few kph faster than other sabres.

[pompous]

Originally posted by DarkRocket17:

Originally posted by =SiouX= JuVa:

The Me-262 C1 and C2 are well capable on 9.0, they have a great climb rate, manouver and it`s rocket boosters work EXACTLY as a Afterburner in the game.
You can take ANY other nations 8.0, not even one can do tha same thing as any german 8.0

The Me262 C1a and C2b were built to intercept bombers and were tested in early 1945. They probably would have entered service in late 1945 or early 1946. They have a great climb rate for 3 minutes only. You already have to spend 30 seconds of that to take off and get to speed. That does not justify a 7.0 plane to be 8.0. As for manouvers; it only turns better at low speeds between 450-550 kph. Since most 8.0 and 9.0 jets fly and and turn at speeds where the elevator of the 262 locks up this is not an advantage.

Also: the CL-13 is only a few kph faster than other sabres.

But thats enough, it can out run everthing, almost outclimb everything, is more agile at high speed, its the strengths of the Sabre, MiG and Hunter all rolled into one, with guns that a moron could aim.

[DarkRocket20]

I do not think there is a solution to it. If you would give the Americans a better plane everybody would play it instead and the other nations would call it OP. To be honest I have not played 9.0 in a while but I do not get why people struggle so much to deal with a plane that is only a tiny bit better than the rest. I mean one plane will always be the best...

[pompous]

Originally posted by DarkRocket17:

I do not think there is a solution to it. If you would give the Americans a better plane everybody would play it instead and the other nations would call it OP. To be honest I have not played 9.0 in a while but I do not get why people struggle so much to deal with a plane that is only a tiny bit better than the rest. I mean one plane will always be the best...

Because is down to such small margins in jet games, you can really exploit those few percent to the point where no one can touch you unless you make a huge mistake.

Its the speed of the MiG, the dive and climb of a Hunter with he agility of a Sabre, its insane, its got no weakness, it can beat you everywhere.

[old joe penis]

the solution would be to add better planes to other nations, not make it unhistorical, it was the best produced sabre after all

[=SiouX= JuVa]

Originally posted by Bogdanoff:

the solution would be to add better planes to other nations, not make it unhistorical, it was the best produced sabre after all

The best would be the CL-13 Mk6 Sabre, made in 1959. There`s no problem with the Cl13 being historicale accurate, the main problem is it facing planes at least 5 years older in a era where the technologies changed too fast.

[halolo39]

Originally posted by =SiouX= JuVa:

Originally posted by Bogdanoff:

the solution would be to add better planes to other nations, not make it unhistorical, it was the best produced sabre after all

The best would be the CL-13 Mk6 Sabre, made in 1959. There`s no problem with the Cl13 being historicale accurate, the main problem is it facing planes at least 5 years older in a era where the technologies changed too fast.

reminds me of the USN and RN during the 50's where they claim their aircraft is the most powerful and advanced in the world, only to be replaced by an even more advanced one 2 years later.
back to the topic, gaijin had many chances to change the BR and add a few top tier jets to give some resemblance of 'balance' but they F'd it up more by giving allies vs axis in a cold war setting and maps so small that USN jets are like fish in a CL13's barrel.

[pompous]

Originally posted by halolo39:

Originally posted by =SiouX= JuVa:

The best would be the CL-13 Mk6 Sabre, made in 1959. There`s no problem with the Cl13 being historicale accurate, the main problem is it facing planes at least 5 years older in a era where the technologies changed too fast.

reminds me of the USN and RN during the 50's where they claim their aircraft is the most powerful and advanced in the world, only to be replaced by an even more advanced one 2 years later.
back to the topic, gaijin had many chances to change the BR and add a few top tier jets to give some resemblance of 'balance' but they F'd it up more by giving allies vs axis in a cold war setting and maps so small that USN jets are like fish in a CL13's barrel.

When im in a CL i feel like unless i make a mistake no one can touch me.

Like even when im the last one left ina 1v3 i feel like i can win.