Is it fair for Tigers to verse tanks with sabots?

[Radec]

Is it?

[Mechanical_Lamb23]

Ive added stuff within the quote

Originally posted by Commander Freedom:

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The Tiger 2 H has a great gun for its BR, but not at 7.7 going against spaced armor or armor with such a constructional slope.

Try to take out an IS-6 with a Tiger 2 H before said IS-6 can one shot you and let me know how it goes.

IS6 is very easy to take out. The Tiger 2 can go through the gunners port and the two cupolas, and if you have an angle on him, straight through the tracks up front. Assuming youre sufficiently close (IS6s cant pen a tiger 2 H at all frontally from around 500meters or so). Meanwhile, the Tiger 2 H has about a 2.5 times faster reload and far better pen.

Or an IS-3
Difficult totake out frontally without shooting into the wheel well. But, keep in mind this tank has very severe drawbacks. Its not very fast, its far less agile than the Tiger 2, its turret rotation is horrid and the Tiger 2 reloads 3x as fast. Shoot a track, get an angle and hes done. Also, theres relatively alot of space between the hull and the turret, so if yorue close you can stick a round between the two and goodbye is3. (Historical side note, had the war gone on for even a couple monthes longer, its very likely the Tiger 2 and the IS3 would have fought with each other, as the IS3 was already fully developed and being produced right before the end of the war)

Or an M47
Easy kill. Much easier to kill him than him kill you. Point and click.

Or an American T34
Strong gun that fires a powerful solid shot, however, has a very long reload. If youre close enough you can shoot through the turret face (around 500meters away i think) and do some damage to his turret internals. The lower hull is almost always a one shot and you can even fire between the turret and hull. Its a solid oppenent the Tiger 2 deserves.

Or an American T32 (The only weakspot on both of those that the Tiger 2 H can actually hit being the huge optic, which is unreliable) Very strong defensively, however the gun is not very good at all and has a horrid reload (same gun on the T26E1, matter of fact). So its a semi tough tank, but you can try to his the hatches on the turret or the lower hull.

Or the T95/T28
Even tanks that shoot the trash rounds HEATFS, HEAT, and sabot every one ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ up and down the halls about has alot of trouble penning these tanks. Theyre built to be steel walls and they do it well. Heres what they dont do so well, defend their sides. If you can, knock out the tracks and try to flank. If you can hit the gun too thats better because if a fly lands on their cannon it just breaks to pieces. You can try to his the hatches but thats extremely unreliable.

Or the M60
A terrible tank that shouldnt ever be played. Anyways, the tiger 2 can actually go through through the turret and around the gun. Even the mantle is around 160mm thick so penning that isnt a problem. To boot, it has that massive hatch on the top and the gunner sits right next to it. Just dont waste your time shooting the hull at all unless its from the side.

Or the IS-4M
Another steel wall, but much like the is3, very long reload,very slow and a horrid turret rotation. Even then, it uses the same rounds thats been used since the IS2 and grinding the round with 230mm pen (which is the pen the Tiger 2 comes stock with) is awful. You can try to pen the VERY edges of its gun mantle and the tiny space at the bottom of its turret ring, or the hatch where the driver sits. Besides that, just stick to shooting it in the side through the wheel well. Its a 7.7 heavy tank and its armor is the only good thing about it, so yes, penning it will be difficult. In additon, its not at all a very popular tank, so you dont even see very many of them at all.

Or the Object - 268 (The only place on that, that you can penetrate in the Tiger 2 H is the lower glacis if said 268 is on a slight hill)
Another tough one to crack, that follows the patter of long reloads. Best to do is track it and try to get on its side or just avoid it as much as you can. The width of its killing field is quite low, so youll want to make sure its tracked before you try anything. Also not a very popular tank, for some reason.

Or any of the T-54's. More tough tnaks, but the tiger 2 can shoot the hatches (at least on the 1947, whcih almost everyone plays and doesnt go any farther). Thats really all you can do frontally to it, but the left side of the mantle is relatively thin, so give that a try. (Another historical note, this tank was released not very long after ww2 and was in development during)

Or the Conqueror
Another very tough but unpopular tank. Its reload is quite long and it shoots sabot, so damage will be relavtiely minimal if you get hit. You can shoot through the lower hull no problem, but there isnt anything you can do frontally.

Or sometimes the Centurions, they vary
You can go straight through their upper and lower hull and good chunks of the turret. Just make sure you either shoot first or youre far enough to repair if you dont. Easy kills.


All of those tanks can easily one shot you before you're able to even get your sight onto those few pixels that you can actually penetrate.

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Personal side note. People love to pretend like the tiger 2 is just a big point and clickable teddy bear that cant do anything to defend itself. Really, the onyl thing that can pen the upper plate is heatfs and heat, the turret face isnt really that large when you look at it, theyre rather small targets. Plenty of tanks have much larger faces than the tiger 2 and no one seems to complain. The gun does alot of damage and comes off the lot fresh with wonderful pen and an amazing reload rate. Hell, the T29s T13 APHE round has 20mm less pen and a 5 second or so longer reload, a much larger turret face (which does reduce spalling somewhat so thats nice) and no one compains in the slightest despite the tank being bigger as a whole and more easy to pen (for the tiger 2 at least), yet eveyone acts like its the bees ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ knees. Its a great tank ,but ill take the tiger 2 anyday over the T29. Funny how that works.

[Mechanical_Lamb23]

Originally posted by Commander Freedom:

~snip~ post regarding APFSDS

Just a note for everyone, the Tiger 2 only has to face a grand total of 1 tank that shoots APFSDS. Thats the OBJ120.

Another note, germany and russia are very often paired together now, moreso than not from my experience, so its pretty normal to see themo n the same team.

Another note, 3/4 obj crew are sitting in that very very thin turret all cramped together. Literally anything can knock it out. Planes can straif it and tanks have no problem hull breaking it. Its an easy point and click kill, just a glass cannon.

[Kay]

Originally posted by Commander Freedom:

........................Because APFSDS is a SABOT.................that you encounter in the King Tiger...............


APFSDS

Armor piercing fin stabalized DISCARDING SABOT


Did you miss the part of actually playing the game or looking at the shells that tanks that go against the King Tiger have?


And if you're referencing speed when you say APDS lags a bit behind APHE, you must be on crack. SABOT's range from roughly 980m/s to upwards of 1.3 km/s. I have yet to see any APHE shells that fly at 1.3 km/s, or even 1.6 km/s like some SABOT's do.


I'm not getting into another argument/debate where i throw these petty comments back and forth with people. It's pretty straight forward, don't be aggressive or make your smug comments when you don't even know what you're talking about. The OP's question wasn't about APDS SABOT's, it was about SABOT's in general.

The OP referenced SABOT's, that falls under APDS and APFSDS, both of which have noticable differences in performance and penetration, both of which fight the King Tiger.

Firstly, No. It does not face APFSDS. The earliest APFSDS is at 8.0. the KT 10.5 (the thing being removed eventually because it never existed) may face it in rare circumstances. also, FFS it's not an acronym, sabot rounds or APDS/APFSDS, for someone talking about how other people don't know what they're talking about, you're making a fair few mistakes yourself.

KT APHE rounds fly at 1km/s too. Though he's not talking about that, he's talking about post penetration damage, where it absolutely does lag behind the nukes in a metal cylinder that are APHE rounds.

(Techincally the penetrator of HEAT rounds can fly at up to 10km/s, but that's cheating)

Edit: Thank you Mechanical lamb, the Obj 120 does fire APFSDS, I completely forgot (rarely see it and it's a premium tank)

[Stridswombat]

Indeed, I was referring to lagging behind... In terms of damage. Lagging behind in damage caused. Also, yes. APDS = Armour-Piercing Discarding Sabot.

[Panzer]

Originally posted by Ki'agh:

Originally posted by Commander Freedom:

........................Because APFSDS is a SABOT.................that you encounter in the King Tiger...............


APFSDS

Armor piercing fin stabalized DISCARDING SABOT


Did you miss the part of actually playing the game or looking at the shells that tanks that go against the King Tiger have?


And if you're referencing speed when you say APDS lags a bit behind APHE, you must be on crack. SABOT's range from roughly 980m/s to upwards of 1.3 km/s. I have yet to see any APHE shells that fly at 1.3 km/s, or even 1.6 km/s like some SABOT's do.


I'm not getting into another argument/debate where i throw these petty comments back and forth with people. It's pretty straight forward, don't be aggressive or make your smug comments when you don't even know what you're talking about. The OP's question wasn't about APDS SABOT's, it was about SABOT's in general.

The OP referenced SABOT's, that falls under APDS and APFSDS, both of which have noticable differences in performance and penetration, both of which fight the King Tiger.

Firstly, No. It does not face APFSDS. The earliest APFSDS is at 8.0. the KT 10.5 (the thing being removed eventually because it never existed) may face it in rare circumstances. also, FFS it's not an acronym, sabot rounds or APDS/APFSDS, for someone talking about how other people don't know what they're talking about, you're making a fair few mistakes yourself.

KT APHE rounds fly at 1km/s too. Though he's not talking about that, he's talking about post penetration damage, where it absolutely does lag behind the nukes in a metal cylinder that are APHE rounds.

(Techincally the penetrator of HEAT rounds can fly at up to 10km/s, but that's cheating)

Edit: Thank you Mechanical lamb, the Obj 120 does fire APFSDS, I completely forgot (rarely see it and it's a premium tank)

So, as stated, it does face APFSDS, yet another person coming in here acting hard without knowing what they're talking about lol.

The T95E1 and the T62, both of which i regularly see in the King Tiger, also fire APFSDS.

The King Tiger faces 3 tanks that fire APFSDS, all 3 of which are common. Either you haven't played recently or are flat out lying when you say you rarely see the Object 120. I see them almost every single game.

King Tiger = BR 7.0

The BR system at most goes up or down 1 full BR rating.

"The earliest APFSDS is at 8.0"

Soooooooo a BR the King Tiger fights? :D

What are you talking about it's not an acronym? No ♥♥♥♥.

It's an abbreviation.

Nothing that i've said so far has been inaccurate, and "fair few" implies multiple. What other "mistakes" have i made so far, exactly?

[Mechanical_Lamb23]

Originally posted by Commander Freedom:

So, as stated, it does face APFSDS, yet another person ragestomping without knowing what they're talking about.

The T95E1 and the T62, both of which i regularly see in the King Tiger, also fire APFSDS.

The King Tiger faces 3 tanks that fire APFSDS, all 3 of which are common. Either you haven't played recently or are flat out lying when you say you rarely see the Object 120. I see them almost every single game.

King Tiger = BR 7.0

The BR system at most goes up or down 1 full BR rating.

"The earliest APFSDS is at 8.0"

Soooooooo a BR the King Tiger fights? :D

What are you talking about it's not an acronym? No ♥♥♥♥.

It's an abbreviation.

Nothing that i've said so far has been inaccurate, and "fair few" implies multiple. What other "mistakes" have i made so far, exactly?

What you mean is "The Tiger 2, 10,5 cm sees 3 tanks that shoot APFSDS". Theres 4 tiger 2s in this game, the 6.3 tiger p sees 0 tanks that use APFSDS, the Tiger 2 H 8,8 tigers only see 1 tank that shoots it, and the Tiger 2 H 10,5 sees 3 tanks that shoot APFSDS. All 4 tiger 2s see a grand total of 3 tanks that shoot APFSDS.

One of those is premium, has ♥♥♥♥ armor, and gets hullbroken and killed by plane strafes like mad (the OBJ120), the other is the T95E1 which is not a common tank at all, its a research dead end that few people research and even few people actually play. The only decent one is the T-62, which has a mightly long reload for a medium tank.

Lets not forget also that the OBJ120 is still .7 BR higher than the Tiger 10,5, and the T95E1 and T62 are a full 1.0 above the 10,5. So theyre appropriately placed higher than the 10,5. Then consider most of the uptiers for the 10,5 will lead it into 7.7 matches, since 7.7 is the blackhole and not 8.0. The T95E1 and T62 are usually pulled into 8.3 or 8.7 matches. So i personally have doubt you see the T95E1 and T62 as much as you claim, my expereince i nthe T62 usually has me in 8.3 and 8.7 and sometimes 9.0, away from the german 7.0.

But even then, the tiger 10,5 really isnt that popular a tank either. Gun is not at all impressive, especially stock and only slightly better with the "good" ammuntion. Very few noticable changes besides the gun size, the reduced stock pen and the ungodly long reload when upgrading from the 8,8. Personally mate, id recommend you go back to the 8,8 instead of dealing with the 10,5 its not a good tank to begin with, not at all compared to the 8,8s.

[Panzer]

Originally posted by Mechanical_Lamb23:

Originally posted by Commander Freedom:

So, as stated, it does face APFSDS, yet another person ragestomping without knowing what they're talking about.

The T95E1 and the T62, both of which i regularly see in the King Tiger, also fire APFSDS.

The King Tiger faces 3 tanks that fire APFSDS, all 3 of which are common. Either you haven't played recently or are flat out lying when you say you rarely see the Object 120. I see them almost every single game.

King Tiger = BR 7.0

The BR system at most goes up or down 1 full BR rating.

"The earliest APFSDS is at 8.0"

Soooooooo a BR the King Tiger fights? :D

What are you talking about it's not an acronym? No ♥♥♥♥.

It's an abbreviation.

Nothing that i've said so far has been inaccurate, and "fair few" implies multiple. What other "mistakes" have i made so far, exactly?

What you mean is "The Tiger 2, 10,5 cm sees 3 tanks that shoot APFSDS". Theres 4 tiger 2s in this game, the 6.3 tiger p sees 0 tanks that use APFSDS, the Tiger 2 H 8,8 tigers only see 1 tank that shoots it, and the Tiger 2 H 10,5 sees 3 tanks that shoot APFSDS. All 4 tiger 2s see a grand total of 3 tanks that shoot APFSDS.

One of those is premium, has ♥♥♥♥ armor, and gets hullbroken and killed by plane strafes like mad (the OBJ120), the other is the T95E1 which is not a common tank at all, its a research dead end that few people research and even few people actually play. The only decent one is the T-62, which has a mightly long reload for a medium tank.

Lets not forget also that the OBJ120 is still .7 BR higher than the Tiger 10,5, and the T95E1 and T62 are a full 1.0 above the 10,5. So theyre appropriately placed higher than the 10,5. Then consider most of the uptiers for the 10,5 will lead it into 7.7 matches, since 7.7 is the blackhole and not 8.0. The T95E1 and T62 are usually pulled into 8.3 or 8.7 matches. So i personally have doubt you see the T95E1 and T62 as much as you claim, my expereince i nthe T62 usually has me in 8.3 and 8.7 and sometimes 9.0, away from the german 7.0.

But even then, the tiger 10,5 really isnt that popular a tank either. Gun is not at all impressive, especially stock and only slightly better with the "good" ammuntion. Very few noticable changes besides the gun size, the reduced stock pen and the ungodly long reload when upgrading from the 8,8. Personally mate, id recommend you go back to the 8,8 instead of dealing with the 10,5 its not a good tank to begin with, not at all compared to the 8,8s.

Yes, when referencing King Tiger i am exclusively referring to the 10.5cm one. Even though the Tiger 2 in general hisotircally is the King Tiger, in War Thunder it seems to be common where people refer to the Tiger 2's as Tiger 2's, and the Tiger 2 10.5cm as the King Tiger.

For clarification purposes yes, i was not speaking on the P or the H 88.

[jaxjace]

No its not fair, good luck convincing anyone to change it though, back in the day it could be expected to pull 10kill games without even trying.

Think about this for a second though, if you are proposing downtiering it, have you thought about the consequences of it being there?

KT H which is already at 6.7 when downtiered at 5.7 is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ GOD. the tiger 1 CANNOT HURT THE TIGER 2 IN ANY WAY FROM THE FRONT. Almost NOTHING at 5.7 is even thought of as a threat. Take it down to 6.3 and in a 5.3 match it will be the most OP thing since the abrams dropped. Now ill grant you this, the KT never gets downtiered, it almost never gets even 6.7s it almost ALWAYS 9/10 times is in a 7.7 where it struggles to compete. the problem is if you take it down, its too good, if you take it up, its too bad. A temporary solution would be to hardlock 6.7s as the top tier in their game but thats just a bandaid not a real fix, plus it ♥♥♥♥♥ over the 7.0s and 7.3s even harder as they dont have KTs to club. (a KT against my jagtiger is like a lumberjack with an axe vs a sealpup.)

Now if you perhaps wanted to uptier the things around it, and force everything else up the line thats fine, we have enough tanks now that we can do that but be forewarned, theres alot of tanks and brs you would have to sort out.

Originally posted by Commander Freedom:

Yes, when referencing King Tiger i am exclusively referring to the 10.5cm one. Even though the Tiger 2 in general hisotircally is the King Tiger, in War Thunder it seems to be common where people refer to the Tiger 2's as Tiger 2's, and the Tiger 2 10.5cm as the King Tiger.

For clarification purposes yes, i was not speaking on the P or the H 88.

dude stop acting like a tool.


Off topic but why is the ferdy a 7.0 now when all that was needed was a reduction in reload rate? becaus gajin

[Panzer]

Originally posted by jaxjace:

No its not fair, good luck convincing anyone to change it though, back in the day it could be expected to pull 10kill games without even trying.

Think about this for a second though, if you are proposing downtiering it, have you thought about the consequences of it being there?

KT H which is already at 6.7 when downtiered at 5.7 is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ GOD. the tiger 1 CANNOT HURT THE TIGER 2 IN ANY WAY FROM THE FRONT. Almost NOTHING at 5.7 is even thought of as a threat. Take it down to 6.3 and in a 5.3 match it will be the most OP thing since the abrams dropped. Now ill grant you this, the KT never gets downtiered, it almost never gets even 6.7s it almost ALWAYS 9/10 times is in a 7.7 where it struggles to compete. the problem is if you take it down, its too good, if you take it up, its too bad. A temporary solution would be to hardlock 6.7s as the top tier in their game but thats just a bandaid not a real fix, plus it ♥♥♥♥♥ over the 7.0s and 7.3s even harder as they dont have KTs to club. (a KT against my jagtiger is like a lumberjack with an axe vs a sealpup.)

Now if you perhaps wanted to uptier the things around it, and force everything else up the line thats fine, we have enough tanks now that we can do that but be forewarned, theres alot of tanks and brs you would have to sort out.

Originally posted by Commander Freedom:

Yes, when referencing King Tiger i am exclusively referring to the 10.5cm one. Even though the Tiger 2 in general hisotircally is the King Tiger, in War Thunder it seems to be common where people refer to the Tiger 2's as Tiger 2's, and the Tiger 2 10.5cm as the King Tiger.

For clarification purposes yes, i was not speaking on the P or the H 88.

dude stop acting like a tool.


Off topic but why is the ferdy a 7.0 now when all that was needed was a reduction in reload rate? becaus gajin

"Stop acting like a tool"

Because i clarified what tank i was talking about? lol

[jaxjace]

Originally posted by Commander Freedom:

Originally posted by jaxjace:

No its not fair, good luck convincing anyone to change it though, back in the day it could be expected to pull 10kill games without even trying.

Think about this for a second though, if you are proposing downtiering it, have you thought about the consequences of it being there?

KT H which is already at 6.7 when downtiered at 5.7 is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ GOD. the tiger 1 CANNOT HURT THE TIGER 2 IN ANY WAY FROM THE FRONT. Almost NOTHING at 5.7 is even thought of as a threat. Take it down to 6.3 and in a 5.3 match it will be the most OP thing since the abrams dropped. Now ill grant you this, the KT never gets downtiered, it almost never gets even 6.7s it almost ALWAYS 9/10 times is in a 7.7 where it struggles to compete. the problem is if you take it down, its too good, if you take it up, its too bad. A temporary solution would be to hardlock 6.7s as the top tier in their game but thats just a bandaid not a real fix, plus it ♥♥♥♥♥ over the 7.0s and 7.3s even harder as they dont have KTs to club. (a KT against my jagtiger is like a lumberjack with an axe vs a sealpup.)

Now if you perhaps wanted to uptier the things around it, and force everything else up the line thats fine, we have enough tanks now that we can do that but be forewarned, theres alot of tanks and brs you would have to sort out.




dude stop acting like a tool.


Off topic but why is the ferdy a 7.0 now when all that was needed was a reduction in reload rate? becaus gajin

"Stop acting like a tool"

Because i clarified what tank i was talking about? lol


Edit: Ah, private profile.

There it is.

No because you are playing semantics just to continue the argument when you have obviously failed, get off the argument now and let someone more qualified than you run it because you are not helping the cause of people who want the tiger to have an easier time, you are just souding like a tool.

Yea my profile is private? And? send me a friend request to see it. When russians hack your account through the CSGO marketplace you can worry about keeping your profile and market history private as well. ♥♥♥♥ off.

[Katokevin]

Originally posted by Commander Freedom:

Yes, when referencing King Tiger i am exclusively referring to the 10.5cm one. Even though the Tiger 2 in general hisotircally is the King Tiger, in War Thunder it seems to be common where people refer to the Tiger 2's as Tiger 2's, and the Tiger 2 10.5cm as the King Tiger.

For clarification purposes yes, i was not speaking on the P or the H 88.

Not once in my 4 years of GF have I heard of anybody refer to the King Tiger as the 10.5cm varriant. Whenever just about anybody refers to the 10.5cm, they almost always refer to it with "10.5cm, 105mm, or 10cm". Every time I've talked to somebody when they use "King Tiger" I almost always ask "what version?" and they almost always respond with "Tiger II" (and I usually follow with "P or H?" if they do not mention).

[jaxjace]

Originally posted by Katokevin:

Originally posted by Commander Freedom:

Yes, when referencing King Tiger i am exclusively referring to the 10.5cm one. Even though the Tiger 2 in general hisotircally is the King Tiger, in War Thunder it seems to be common where people refer to the Tiger 2's as Tiger 2's, and the Tiger 2 10.5cm as the King Tiger.

For clarification purposes yes, i was not speaking on the P or the H 88.

Not once in my 4 years of GF have I heard of anybody refer to the King Tiger as the 10.5cm varriant. Whenever just about anybody refers to the 10.5cm, they almost always refer to it with "10.5cm, 105mm, or 10cm". Every time I've talked to somebody when they use "King Tiger" I almost always ask "what version?" and they almost always respond with "Tiger II" (and I usually follow with "P or H?" if they do not mention).

Thats because hes arguing semantics because hes losing the real argument, like; a tool.

[Panzer]

Originally posted by jaxjace:

Originally posted by Commander Freedom:

"Stop acting like a tool"

Because i clarified what tank i was talking about? lol


Edit: Ah, private profile.

There it is.

No because you are playing semantics just to continue the argument when you have obviously failed, get off the argument now and let someone more qualified than you run it because you are not helping the cause of people who want the tiger to have an easier time, you are just souding like a tool.

Yea my profile is private? And? send me a friend request to see it. When russians hack your account through the CSGO marketplace you can worry about keeping your profile and market history private as well. ♥♥♥♥ off.

Playing semantics to keep the argument going.

I think you mispelled "Posted facts and an opinion that differs from yours so now i'm salty"

I couldn't have failed that much since several of the people that tried arguing with me have since been proven wrong and stopped responding, only for a new person to start.

I've done nothing but reply to people that actually started arguments with me, and *i'm* the one keeping it going?



How about you get off your Steam profile and let someone more qualified run it. You've already been "hacked" once by "Russian hackers", totally not cliche or obviously ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, but i'll let you have it.


How about you actually check up on my posts on the forum for War Thunder as well as Gaijins website, and you'll see how wrong you are about me not helping anyones cause.

[Panzer]

Originally posted by jaxjace:

Originally posted by Katokevin:

Not once in my 4 years of GF have I heard of anybody refer to the King Tiger as the 10.5cm varriant. Whenever just about anybody refers to the 10.5cm, they almost always refer to it with "10.5cm, 105mm, or 10cm". Every time I've talked to somebody when they use "King Tiger" I almost always ask "what version?" and they almost always respond with "Tiger II" (and I usually follow with "P or H?" if they do not mention).

Thats because hes arguing semantics because hes losing the real argument, like; a tool.

It's not even a matter of losing anything lol, this whole thing started because of a question asking if it was fair for Tigers to verse sabot's.

There is no argument to win or lose, that's just how your insecure ego views it. Trying to come in here out of nowhere acting like you just shut everything down or something?


Every single thing i've said so far has been true, so even if there actually *was* any argument to be winning, i literally would be.


Please, get a life.

[jaxjace]

Originally posted by Commander Freedom:

Originally posted by jaxjace:

No because you are playing semantics just to continue the argument when you have obviously failed, get off the argument now and let someone more qualified than you run it because you are not helping the cause of people who want the tiger to have an easier time, you are just souding like a tool.

Yea my profile is private? And? send me a friend request to see it. When russians hack your account through the CSGO marketplace you can worry about keeping your profile and market history private as well. ♥♥♥♥ off.

Playing semantics to keep the argument going.

I think you mispelled "Posted facts and an opinion that differs from yours so now i'm salty"

I couldn't have failed that much since several of the people that tried arguing with me have since been proven wrong and stopped responding, only for a new person to start.

I've done nothing but reply to people that actually started arguments with me, and *i'm* the one keeping it going?



How about you get off your Steam profile and let someone more qualified run it. You've already been "hacked" once by "Russian hackers", totally not cliche or obviously ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, but i'll let you have it.


How about you actually check up on my posts on the forum for War Thunder as well as Gaijins website, and you'll see how wrong you are about me not helping anyones cause.

Friend request sent, check my logged hours. Played with more people on CS than the population of a small country.

Your "keeping the argument going" by arguing about the NAMING CONVENTIONS of a tiger 2 and a tiger 10.5 is absoloutely assinine, not to mention just wrong.

Maybe people have stopped responding because they realize you are a tool and to argue further would be pointless.