Airfield AAA is too OP

[Sigmar]

Change my mind.

[Karythrys]

You're going about it wrong. AF AA is stupid to go against when you're alone. The only time when you should go against AF AA is when you have allies coming with you or some of the AA has been destroyed. Trying to solo the airfield is only going to get you killed by the sheer number of AA targeting you, not the accuracy or power.

[kamikazi21358]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Lord Chaos:

You're going about it wrong. AF AA is stupid to go against when you're alone. The only time when you should go against AF AA is when you have allies coming with you or some of the AA has been destroyed. Trying to solo the airfield is only going to get you killed by the sheer number of AA targeting you, not the accuracy or power.

Yes, but what about when you are 2 km from the AF, in a 700km/h dive?
Or fighting someone, like I mentioned, in a dogfight that irl the AAA might hit you both?
Or let’s say you are not going at it alone, let’s say you have 3-4 friends - you still all die in 15 seconds; yes AAA should kill you, it’s AAA! But the point is I am tired of getting set on fire REPEATEDLY from 3-6km away flying away from the AF. I think AAA should be strong, but I don’t think it should be laser guided strong; I don’t even think it’s programmed to be like regular AAA, sometimes you randomly take damage dispite it being offset with the explosions, it’s like they programmed it to have some random timer that your aircraft just automatically takes damage if you are within 5 km of the airfield.

[RAM AIR IV]

Here are the 3 things I think should happen
1. Make them less accurate
2. Reduce thier range
3. Reduce thier hit damage

[83athom]

AAA = Heavy anti air peices like the 8,8cm (GE) and 90mm (US).
AA = Light to medium anti air like 20mm and 3,7cm guns.

Opprinnelig skrevet av Mocha Kawa:

*gets one shot by airfield AAA wen im at 8km high while trying to bomb bases in Sim because gaijin hates me*
Yeah... AAA is totally fine.

Not like heavy AAA peices were radar and early-computer controled and bomber pilots were trained to change course every 20 seconds to not get shwacked by a hailstorm of AAA fire or anything. (Hint, the above is true)

[right-handed pencil]

maybe alot of planes don't have armour and AAA is designed to take down planes????

[RAM AIR IV]

Opprinnelig skrevet av nega wit rawket lawnchair:

maybe alot of planes don't have armour and AAA is designed to take down planes????

Well I don't think that AAA irl could shoot THROUGH TREES at 2.5km away with accuracy within 10 feet of my I-16

[BejoBarokah]

AFAIK

1. AAA has minimum ceiling, meaning if i fly low, i don't think they should hit me
2. AAA won't shoot when there are ally planes nearby, for the fear of friendly fire
3. AAA can't reliably shoot a fighter that goes fast and maneuvering along the way

CMIIW

[kamikazi21358]

Opprinnelig skrevet av RAM AIR IV:

Here are the 3 things I think should happen
1. Make them less accurate
2. Reduce thier range
3. Reduce thier hit damage

For heavy AAA, I think their range is fine and damage is fine, after all we are probably talking about 88s and stuff, but it is way too accurate against light aircraft: if you are like less than 1000-2000meters high right above the AF alone, yeah you’re dead, but should a heavy AA gun have the exact range of a small light fighter going 580kmh 2km away and perfectly leads the shot with the first couple shells, exploding with persision in your face, and capable of continually accurately blasting that plane as it dives away from the AF at 650kmh?
Yeah, give that AAA gunner an Iron Cross First Class, our respective metal for country, for a shot like that. And another shot like that. And every single shot ever fired on anything within 3.5km of his gun; including that 1100km/h jet too. Times how many AAA units are on an Airfield.

[Juan Solo the Smuggler]

I mean historically they had abysmall hit ratios. One of the HIGHEST ratios attained by the british was 1/1800 shots hit. For germans their best ratio was 1/3000. And thats for AAA. for lighter AA it was around 1/1000 shots. In warthunder however this ratio is down to like 1/100 for AAA at airbases. Just stupidly accurate. I could be in a cloud 4000 meters up and get hit. I've been hit by AAA literally 7km out and 2 km up moving at 400km/h. I understand the need, but maybe they could tone it down a little.

[kamikazi21358]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Juan solo the bully hunter:

I mean historically they had abysmall hit ratios. One of the HIGHEST ratios attained by the british was 1/1800 shots hit. For germans their best ratio was 1/3000. And thats for AAA. for lighter AA it was around 1/1000 shots. In warthunder however this ratio is down to like 1/100 for AAA at airbases. Just stupidly accurate. I could be in a cloud 4000 meters up and get hit. I've been hit by AAA literally 7km out and 2 km up moving at 400km/h. I understand the need, but maybe they could tone it down a little.

Yeah, a more statistical interpretation to what I thought. IF Gaijin wants AAA at AFs to be deadly at low altitudes, I think they should lower the accuracy of AAA to realistic levels, and instead have more small AA autocannons and AA HMGs instead or something. I acually do want AAA to be deadly in many cases, just realistically accurate.

Side question related to your statistics, Germany developed HEDS for some of their 128mm guns, I don’t know how widespread they were used (I think they were used but not a whole bunch), but do you know about how accurate a 128mm gun firing High Explosive Discarding Sabot would be by these statistics?

[Quincy Jones]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Piggy:

Opprinnelig skrevet av Angry Welshman:

First off, its not Anti-Air. It's Anti Air Artillery. Three A's

they're 40mm anti aircraft guns, they arent considered artillery, anti aircraft artillery starts at 75mm and up.

The GAME literally shows 'AAA' as the target name for the Anti Air positions at airfields. IDK why this is a discussion rn.

Edit: additionally, the GAME also has a 'Light AA' as a specific target name, as well. And it's typically 'AAA' at the airfield...

[kamikazi21358]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Quincy Jones:

Opprinnelig skrevet av Piggy:

they're 40mm anti aircraft guns, they arent considered artillery, anti aircraft artillery starts at 75mm and up.

The GAME literally shows 'AAA' as the target name for the Anti Air positions at airfields. IDK why this is a discussion rn.

Edit: additionally, the GAME also has a 'Light AA' as a specific target name, as well. And it's typically 'AAA' at the airfield...

Idk if it is named this way, but it depends on the nation: different nations have their definition on what caliber counts as ‘artillery’. 40mm you said doesn’t count as AAA, but it depends what nation you are referring to, because for example at the time, 15mm+ was officially considered “artillery” to the US, while 20mm guns in say the Uk or wherever may not be considered “artillery”.
So yes, 75mm, 85mm, 88mm+ guns are most likely considered AAA, but under than is purely up to the nation’s military on how it is classified.

[euψychius]

actually,they are.
BUT! they can`t destroy the flyin bombs

[Angry Welshman]

Dont need to change your mind, you need to git gud scrub. Go get some bombs or rockets and farm ground targets

[Sigmar]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Angry Welshman:

Dont need to change your mind, you need to git gud scrub. Go get some bombs or rockets and farm ground targets

And how am i supposed to do that if i have no bombs or rockets