Will IL-2 receive PTAB cumulative bombs?

[MAVEN]

This game has a lot of historically accurate content, some incredibly identical to real life data. One thing missing though is cumulative bombs (PTAB) for IL-2s and I really need thos when playing sim battles as IL-2 is my fav cas. Will there be PTAB added?

P.S. IL-2 starting 1943 could carry 300 of these, each cumulative bomb had ~140mm direct impact penetration, which is perfect for those big SB missions where there's a lot of tanks and things to shoot on the ground.

[Testdrivelord99]

It has about 60-80mm pen...
But i like it.

[Narf]

I highly doubt that we'll see the PTAB or the SD 4 HL in the game. For balance reasons, simply. But you're always free to try your luck with a suggestion thread in the official forums.

[Sgt Doc]

Originally posted by Narf:

I highly doubt that we'll see the PTAB or the SD 4 HL in the game. For balance reasons, simply. But you're always free to try your luck with a suggestion thread in the official forums.

I mean we never know though.. It is Gaijin. Those SNEB rockets and Hydras are already a part of the game. However i have seen forum posts a couple of years back asking for these bombs.

[MAVEN]

Originally posted by Testdrivelord99:

It has about 60-80mm pen...
But i like it.

AO-25M1 (added in the game) have that penetration IRL (in the game they are useless now, they are like crackers), PTABs have ~140, they were in canisters each releasing 50 of those at a time, 6 canisters max for IL-2 43 and up.

Originally posted by Narf:

I highly doubt that we'll see the PTAB or the SD 4 HL in the game. For balance reasons, simply. But you're always free to try your luck with a suggestion thread in the official forums.

Those would obliterate anything in tank SB but would make a perfect fit for flight SB since they would actually make cas usable in its natural role. My question is primarily centered at flight SB.

Originally posted by Sgt Doc:

Originally posted by Narf:

I highly doubt that we'll see the PTAB or the SD 4 HL in the game. For balance reasons, simply. But you're always free to try your luck with a suggestion thread in the official forums.

I mean we never know though.. It is Gaijin. Those SNEB rockets and Hydras are already a part of the game. However i have seen forum posts a couple of years back asking for these bombs.

Agree, if those are in these should be in too, at least for SB :P

P.S. Just saw these videos, thought I'd share, these are a proof why tank SB would be obliteration xD but also why flight sb would be awesome with these. IL-2 in SB has little survivability against fighters, irl they would go in packs and although I can occationally shoot down some or my gunner does my IL-2 gets downed before it can do any serious damage to objectives.

Real life use - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_huv58MGYE
PTABs in IL-2 BoS - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1EDQwJ7NU0

[Lain]

Aren't these the things the Soviets used to obliterate tank columns? These would be awesome for air battles!

[MAVEN]

Originally posted by Rootin Tootin Putin:

Aren't these the things the Soviets used to obliterate tank columns? These would be awesome for air battles!

Exactly. And they would be perfect for sim air battles especially since ai is in huge numbers :D

[GoreTiger]

I say no due to people bringing IL-2's into Tank Battles.

[MAVEN]

Originally posted by =(e)=KrayToast:

I say no due to people bringing IL-2's into Tank Battles.

But what if they added PTABs in sim flight mode only and restricted other planes with OP guns like this in tank battles? Would be perfect.

[Kay]

Originally posted by MAVEN:

Originally posted by =(e)=KrayToast:

I say no due to people bringing IL-2's into Tank Battles.

But what if they added PTABs in sim flight mode only and restricted other planes with OP guns like this in tank battles? Would be perfect.

That'd be mostly pointless, working on a weapon for a plane that only a small part of the playerbase will ever use and only under specific circumstances.

Edit: I can only find sources that say 4*48 bomb cassettes were carried for a total of 192 bombs (when the cassettes were used) and a maximum penetration of 70mm

[Testdrivelord99]

Originally posted by MAVEN:

I can only find sources that say 4*48 bomb cassettes were carried for a total of 192 bombs (when the cassettes were used) and a maximum penetration of 70mm

Same goes for me.

[MAVEN]

Originally posted by Ki'agh:

Originally posted by MAVEN:

But what if they added PTABs in sim flight mode only and restricted other planes with OP guns like this in tank battles? Would be perfect.

That'd be mostly pointless, working on a weapon for a plane that only a small part of the playerbase will ever use and only under specific circumstances.

Edit: I can only find sources that say 4*48 bomb cassettes were carried for a total of 192 bombs (when the cassettes were used) and a maximum penetration of 70mm

Believe it or not a lot of people like IL-2 and choose it in sim mode, they don't do it often as IL-2 can't carry it's natural load, ie why use a cas when you can just use a bomber and do a better job kinda thing. If ptabs were to be added in sim a lot of IL-2 users would prefer it, which would also promote squad play as IL-2s go great with fighter planes in a team unlike with slow bombers.

As for that data, I saw it too, that info is old. The 1st version was 4x 48 at ~70mm but the mass produced one is up to 6 casettes each at 50 or so, some modified to carry more to a total of up to 512 PTABs. This solely depends on the holder model installed, in the game there are quite a few of those for Soviet planes allowing FAB, 50, 100, 250, 500, 1000 and so on depending on the holders but the later model of PTABs were actually stored inside the plane's carcass section thus both saving on aerodynamics and allowing for a much imroved load, by that time PTABs have progressed too so they could have higher penetration as well.

This is an old photo barely visible but you can see crew load the back holder with improved PTABs into an IL-2M model 1943 - http://aviadejavu.ru/Images6/AV/AV04-6/35-3.jpg

This one shows the opening through which these were released (this opening is actually in the game already, it's under the plane - http://armedman.ru/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/ptab-1-768x512.jpg

These are not PTABs (many planes used similar technique btw but only IL-2 did it in massive numbers effectively) but the structure of storing is shown (later version, which abandoned wing drop for in fuselage one) - http://www.globalwarnews.ru/upload/editor/news/2017.11/5a1668999c54d_1511418009.jpg
This allowed for various projectiles to be used, PTABs are just some, those could be HE, cumulative, or even mortar rounds.

So it could be really useful in flight sim battles, thus gaijin please add these :D

P.S. 4x48 or 6x50 or 6xModified wouldn't make much of a difference really, 2 or more of those canisters is all IL-2 needs to become role effective in WT SB flight battles.

[Testdrivelord99]

The weak PTABs could be cool.(70mm)
They are not to strong and they would be fun.

[MAVEN]

Originally posted by Testdrivelord99:

The weak PTABs could be cool.(70mm)
They are not to strong and they would be fun.

If you mean for tank SB and RB then yeah would be nice to have a strategic use, but for flight sb the later version would work best.

[Testdrivelord99]

Originally posted by MAVEN:

Originally posted by Testdrivelord99:

The weak PTABs could be cool.(70mm)
They are not to strong and they would be fun.

If you mean for tank SB and RB then yeah would be nice to have a strategic use, but for flight sb the later version would work best.

Your idea would be the best, but if they add something its always for all modes.