Please nerf US .50cal or buff other countries' 12.7mm or 13mm HMG

[NYKD-14]

US .50 cal can burn others with a single .50 cal
But German 13mm and Japanese 12.7mm/13mm do nearly no damage on others.

This is War Thunder, not World of Warplanes m8.

[Floppy]

Just because its a 12.7 doesnt mean its the same. The M2 .50 has over a 100m/s higher velocity than the ♥♥♥ 50 and the german 13 because it is also 10-30mm longer than those rounds

[Kay]

I still want to know why it is more likely to start a fire with a single round than any 20mm round

[Floppy]

Originally posted by Ki'agh:

I still want to know why it is more likely to start a fire with a single round than any 20mm round

no idea maybe the extra friction increases its chances

[Karroe]

American planes have 6 50 cals, pls uthey fire fast, so for every hit you hear that's probably about 12

[AttackerCat]

Originally posted by Ki'agh:

I still want to know why it is more likely to start a fire with a single round than any 20mm round

Because an API-T round literally has a glowing hot ball of phosphorus as it pierces fuel tanks and engines, while most 20mm rounds are fragmentation rounds. The 20mm impacts and detonates, throwing shrapnel across surfaces. API-T rounds pen through aircraft and spark/ignite fuel tanks.

[MrStiffyBear]

Originally posted by Ki'agh:

I still want to know why it is more likely to start a fire with a single round than any 20mm round

To answer the why is because the belts on US rounds tend to have a lot of API or APIT in it, that coupled with the fact that if im guessing you are playing lower tiers where tanks dont have a lot of armor around the engine block means US 12.7 rounds as floppy fish said are just better than the rest of the worlds so youre pretty much firing a small cannon round at something and as in the real world if you throw enough dakka at one spot something is bound to happen.

[5Head]

US Universal > Everything Else.
Armor Piercing Inceniendary Tracers yo, literally they're job.

[Zalzany]

Yeah the fire is really easy, the the exploding rounds are great for shredding aircraft but API, and API-T are litteraly built to set things on fire, while I don't think 20mm have any sort of incderary round. I mean great for shreding planes , but for tanks its pretty much just AP rounds that will pen you, so its about as likely to start a fire as a normal tank round. API however has a chance to pen some tanks and its whole job in life is to try and start a fire...

In movies they use pyrotechnichs to make awsome fire balls with little to no shrapnel in real life grenades and HE its not giant fire ball its a big thing of smoke and peices of metal that cna be tossed out quite a ways.

http://c8.alamy.com/comp/BDMMM6/exploding-artillery-shell-during-the-first-world-war-BDMMM6.jpg real life ordinance.

Movie explosion: https://static1.squarespace.com/static/51b3dc8ee4b051b96ceb10de/t/55cb9700e4b0dea22bb44149/1439405828499/?format=1000w

[76561198200604402]

The problem of 12.7, incorrect ammunition in the game.

{LINK REMOVED}http://pwencycl.kgbudge.com/J/a/Japanese_12p7mm_Type_1_gun.htm
HE (more damage) 780 meters per secod
12,7 in WWII, japan used HE (3x or 4x more damage than incendiary).
In game(AP,AP,IAI,IAI), correct(AP,HE,AP,HE)


7.7mm (also incorrect)
{LINK REMOVED}http://pwencycl.kgbudge.com/J/a/Japanese_7p7mm_Type_97_gun.htm
In game(I,AP,AP,AP,AI), correct(I,AP,I,AP)

[Rei]

Funny enough, the only 12.7s worth a damn are the American ones. Be it high velocity or whatever, they're 5x more effective than the Italian or Japanese ones, hell the Japanese ones had their API removed a while ago, and Italians are still missing their HEI bullet.

[Floppy]

Originally posted by Rootin Tootin Putin:

Funny enough, the only 12.7s worth a damn are the American ones. Be it high velocity or whatever, they're 5x more effective than the Italian or Japanese ones, hell the Japanese ones had their API removed a while ago, and Italians are still missing their HEI bullet.

they shouldnt be the only ones worth a damn but they should most certainly be the best in the game

[DapperSpino]

Originally posted by Rootin Tootin Putin:

Funny enough, the only 12.7s worth a damn are the American ones. Be it high velocity or whatever, they're 5x more effective than the Italian or Japanese ones, hell the Japanese ones had their API removed a while ago, and Italians are still missing their HEI bullet.

Load enough MinengeschoB in your 20s and you won't need other rounds.

[Rei]

Originally posted by Floppy McFish:

they shouldnt be the only ones worth a damn but they should most certainly be the best in the game

But they are. They shouldn't be better than cannons, but they are. They shouldn't tear off a wing in one hit from 1km away, but they do.

Originally posted by DapperSpino:

Load enough MinengeschoB in your 20s and you won't need other rounds.

Those are great, good guns the MG151/20s.

[Floppy]

Originally posted by Rootin Tootin Putin:

Originally posted by Floppy McFish:

they shouldnt be the only ones worth a damn but they should most certainly be the best in the game

But they are. They shouldn't be better than cannons, but they are. They shouldn't tear off a wing in one hit from 1km away, but they do.

Originally posted by DapperSpino:

Load enough MinengeschoB in your 20s and you won't need other rounds.

Those are great, good guns the MG151/20s.

to be fair irl 50s are much more consistent than cannons

[Rei]

Originally posted by Floppy McFish:

to be fair irl 50s are much more consistent than cannons

Yes and no. They have velocity and fire density on their side, but lack in hitting power. Ever wonder why the USAF switched over to cannons / A2A missles after the Sabres? Because the 50s started to lack in hitting power.

You can look up gun cam footage from Korea, it took quite a few hits to down a MiG. I won't lie they may have been more effective against the slower WW2 era planes, but that doesn't mean cannons weren't better. A 20mm HE round hitting a plane in real life didn't spark and give the pilot a "Hit". It would tear the plane to bits if the pilot kept his guns on the plane. Here's a test of Minengeschoss vs a plane in real life: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZoLLDi-M3fk

In game, while effective, it would spark and has before. If you want to see more, here's a video in game. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBEmxvEpkMo
Note how the video is all cannons.