Why Tiger H1 got 5.7br?

[SevenUp]

Like, is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ horrible for this br, a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ box with a ♥♥♥♥♥ gun with low pen.

[Omega Sirius]

The gun is actually really good, it's one of those vehicles where if you drop the BR of it, it'll be too op for lower BRs.

[Eftwyrd]

sit properly angled (reference: https://wiki.warthunder.com/images/a/a9/TigerArmourAngling.png ) at long range (ideally 1km or more), only take 29 rounds of ammo (default is your best) to empty most of its ammo racks and learn to snipe, you will be mostly immune to return fire at your teir and your gun is still more than capable of killing most targets.

just be sure to alter your play if in an upteir as your armour will no longer protect you so find a teamate to support rather than act alone

[SevenUp]

then your saying Tiger E is OP? same BR and still better ammo and armor. Lets not forget 5.7 br is discusting, 90% of games its button tier fighting lorraines, m26 and go on, ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ garbage tank this one for is br mm.

[Eftwyrd]

Originally posted by Seven.Up:

then your saying Tiger E is OP? same BR and still better ammo and armor. Lets not forget 5.7 br is discusting, 90% of games its button tier fighting lorraines, m26 and go on, ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ garbage tank this one.

better ammo you say... apcr is a terrible ammo type which may have high rated penetration but bounces on the slightest sloped armour, your E should only take a few for emergencies and otherwise stick to its stock round, same as the H1

[DapperSpino]

The Tiger is a mediocre tank at best, it's gun is good, and it's better than the gun on the T-34-85, but by a slight amount.
It has some actual gun depression, but what it doesn't have is mobility, it turns painly slow and has a average top speed of 45 km/h, good for a heavy, not that good for a tank in general.
Say what you want about how "amazing" it's armor is when you angle, unless you hit a bad area an IS-2 will kill you in almost every area of the tank, I mean even the IS-2 has better armor, better mobilty, better gun and only having Russia Syndrome and a long reload.

Overall the Panther D is better in almost every department, except turret rotation... dear god the Panther D might as well have been turretless TD.... oh wait...

[Stridswombat]

Originally posted by Seven.Up:

then your saying Tiger E is OP? same BR and still better ammo and armor. Lets not forget 5.7 br is discusting, 90% of games its button tier fighting lorraines, m26 and go on, ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ garbage tank this one for is br mm.

No that just makes the 1st vehicle a stopgap for the 2nd to prolong the grind. The better of the 2 is the one actually intended to be used for that BR if that wasn't obvious enough already.

You also didn't even respond to any of their points at all...

[SevenUp]

Originally posted by AK Rowling:

Originally posted by Seven.Up:

then your saying Tiger E is OP? same BR and still better ammo and armor. Lets not forget 5.7 br is discusting, 90% of games its button tier fighting lorraines, m26 and go on, ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ garbage tank this one for is br mm.

No that just makes the 1st vehicle a stopgap for the 2nd to prolong the grind. The better of the 2 is the one actually intended to be used for that BR if that wasn't obvious enough already.

You also didn't even respond to any of their points at all...

What points? Im being OP if lower the tier? Well everyone got their opinions and i disagree with that one, sure i done some good games with im sometimes but its a pretty mediocre tank for the tier.

[A Toaster]

5.3 iss good for tigers

[Wiesell]

Howabout the t25? More bad and low velocity gun with decent armor

[Donatedelk]

The tigers at 5.7 are a bit of a tricky beast to properly use. As mentioned above, angling is one key to the Tiger. The German Tank manual states the best angle but the only one I can remember is 20 degrees towards your target. This turns your armor to essentially the same usefulness. Another problem with the Tiger is knowing where to shoot. Don’t expect to get through the upper mantle of most tanks like you would the Panzer IV. Most of the time you are going to want to go through the cheek or the lower mantle. So I recommend getting to know the enemies you have issues with. Another great tip is that you cannot brawl in the Tiger. It wasn’t made for head on combat, infact, most german tanks were made for ambushing. So if you see an enemy and have a chance to get by his side or behind him without drawing the attention of the enemy team, you’ll do just fine (example: on the rein map, flank in the buildings by the A objective to usually catch a few tanks of guard at mid-late game). Hope this helps!

[RAM AIR IV]

Don't use the tiger h1 use the E, it has a better coupalo and armor with the same gun. Angle the hull like a a diamond and angle the turret a bit less then reloading

[Kay]

Originally posted by DapperSpino:

The Tiger is a mediocre tank at best, it's gun is good, and it's better than the gun on the T-34-85, but by a slight amount.
It has some actual gun depression, but what it doesn't have is mobility, it turns painly slow and has a average top speed of 45 km/h, good for a heavy, not that good for a tank in general.
Say what you want about how "amazing" it's armor is when you angle, unless you hit a bad area an IS-2 will kill you in almost every area of the tank, I mean even the IS-2 has better armor, better mobilty, better gun and only having Russia Syndrome and a long reload.

Overall the Panther D is better in almost every department, except turret rotation... dear god the Panther D might as well have been turretless TD.... oh wait...

The layout of the IS-2 means it can't angle, it has worse turret armour and as you said, a much longer reload (about 3X as long) it also has a very cramped crew compartment and three crew in the turret, so it's almost always one-shot killed.

[Zenith]

Originally posted by Major Blank:

Is this thread for real? Tiger 1 is terrible at 5.7 with crap gun lol ok. Right if this isn't clear learn to play and get good then lizard people run the government. Tigers are just fine at 5.7 and do very well. Maybe stop driving it like a brawler and actually snipe then you may see results. Tiger isn't the real life impervious to everything that shoot at you type thing. Learn to play tank and stop blaming it for your lack of skill. The plane/tank you use is only as good as person using it for most cases. In this case it's rightly so.

Well, the IS-2M didn't need to be moved down from 6.7 to 6.3, but it was... so there we go.

[Zenith]

Originally posted by Major Blank:

Originally posted by Zenith:

Well, the IS-2M didn't need to be moved down from 6.7 to 6.3, but it was... so there we go.

What does is2m have to do with the tiger 1? You can still shoot lower glacis or left side of the turret to kill it like the tiger 2 p.

I'm showing that BRs can be reduced for some tanks, when they were doing just fine where they were. You say the Tiger is fine at 5.7, well... if IS-2 logic is applied, it could still go down to 5.3 without any problems.

[Zenith]

Originally posted by Major Blank:

Originally posted by Zenith:

I'm showing that BRs can be reduced for some tanks, when they were doing just fine where they were. You say the Tiger is fine at 5.7, well... if IS-2 logic is applied, it could still go down to 5.3 without any problems.

What no the is2 is fine at 5.7 and any lower it would be seal clubbing like tiger 1 would. They are literally at the perfect br for both so no reason to change it.

Both IS-2s were once higher, and did just fine. They had their BRs lowered for no reason whatsoever.