Why does Gaijin hate the Germans so much?

[Dredd]

Everytime you get a new German tank above rank III it looks like finally you'll have proper armor and you can actually survive shots, but then Gaijin comes in and uptieres you so much you'd be better off with just enough armor to stop .50cals going through. Its ridiculous how for example a King Tiger is easily penned by basically anything at its br. Your turret is a giant weakspot, your lower hull is a giant weakspot and they even go through your upper hull even if it is angled. And then you would have good pen, but you get put together with tanks that are far superiour to yours, have better speed, better armor, and most of the time even better penetration. Specially against American T34s which in theory you can pen easily, but in practice it becomes quite difficult. Same with any IS tank above IS-2. Or theres the 105mm King Tiger thats only upgrade is a slightly better engine and a bigger gun, that has WORSE penetration with the stock shell and only 10mm more pen with the PzGr39 with gigantic downside of 20 seconds of reload and the same bad armor as the 88 King Tiger, but at 7.0. Or the Panther II thats uprade is supposed to be having a KwK43 and more speed, but the pen is already not enough a lot of times even with the King Tiger and the speed is still slower than most enemy mediums plus it has worse armor as well. Same can be said to planes as well. Me 262 has to face planes that are faster than itself, have better, more precise and more guns in general, and manouver thousand times better than it. I could probably keep going, but I don't want it this to be an essay.

Whats your opinion about all this?

[NAF-5th.Legion-Waffen.Div]

Nguyên văn bởi Mechanical_Lamb23:

Nguyên văn bởi NAF-DEADMIKE-5th.Legion-:

you dont have to look further than at thunderskill to see that german 5.7 and up gets the short end of the stick,stop pretending they dont.

and you kiagh, look at your own RB stats with tiger IIs, they are spot on what the rest of the playerbase experience,40% winrates while most of all their counterparts are above, like 50-60%, look at your own russian tanks winrates in your stats at that br.....60%+ just about all of them.
and that is also spot on what the rest of the playerbase experience.truth is,at that br germans get subpar winrates while their counterparts enjoy winrates around 50-60%.
that dosnt make sense if the tiger II was actually that "almost op",as you make it sound when you describe how it performs. they would have better winrates if they were actually as good as you try and make them out to be.

well today ive played 3 7.7 matches and 1 6.7 in my tiger 2 and so far im at 17 kills, 0 deaths, and 4 assists. My overall WR is 49.8%, with 453 kills, 249 deaths. So from my perspective its a wonderful tank that performs very well and believe it or not, it has a better WR than my T29 (at 48.5%) and a KD thats almost equivilent (T29 KD is 1.88, 377 kills and 200 deaths and KT is 1.81)

But i am considered an "excellent player" in RB. Personally i think its really more of a tank commander issue more than anything. Maybe it players alot worse in AB than in RB, or vice verse. I dont know the specifics however.

yea you can say the players playing them are just bad, or you can translate that into,tiger II counterparts are just easier to play. your KT winrate is a little above the average playerbase, but your T29 winrate is below the average playerbase.

[Wiesell]

Nguyên văn bởi NAF-DEADMIKE-5th.Legion-:

Nguyên văn bởi Mechanical_Lamb23:

well today ive played 3 7.7 matches and 1 6.7 in my tiger 2 and so far im at 17 kills, 0 deaths, and 4 assists. My overall WR is 49.8%, with 453 kills, 249 deaths. So from my perspective its a wonderful tank that performs very well and believe it or not, it has a better WR than my T29 (at 48.5%) and a KD thats almost equivilent (T29 KD is 1.88, 377 kills and 200 deaths and KT is 1.81)

But i am considered an "excellent player" in RB. Personally i think its really more of a tank commander issue more than anything. Maybe it players alot worse in AB than in RB, or vice verse. I dont know the specifics however.

yea you can say the players playing them are just bad, or you can translate that into,tiger II counterparts are just easier to play. your KT winrate is a little above the average playerbase, but your T29 winrate is below the average playerbase.

I could make it higher if my device dont lag

[NAF-5th.Legion-Waffen.Div]

Nguyên văn bởi Pizza_4_l1f3:

Nguyên văn bởi NAF-DEADMIKE-5th.Legion-:

yea you can say the players playing them are just bad, or you can translate that into,tiger II counterparts are just easier to play. your KT winrate is a little above the average playerbase, but your T29 winrate is below the average playerbase.

I could make it higher if my device dont lag

wut??? your lag has nothing to do with your winrate, if that was the case you would have bad winrates on all your tanks.

[ComradeWinston]

They really wanna destroy the legend of German Engineering.

[Wiesell]

Nguyên văn bởi NAF-DEADMIKE-5th.Legion-:

Nguyên văn bởi Pizza_4_l1f3:

I could make it higher if my device dont lag

wut??? your lag has nothing to do with your winrate, if that was the case you would have bad winrates on all your tanks.

Rly? Device doesn't affect winrate? I have thousands of situation where lag kills me. Like when i get lag spiked and when it happens, theres an enemy vehicle sitting in the field. I could have taken the shot but the vehicle has moved after the lag. I could also detect vehicles ez with high resolution but yeah not going to happen r8. That affects morale and winrate

[Comrade Tiedanski 五月天]

Players may contribute to the downfall of the Germans, it's a series of idiots meets good players, I'm spadding the Panther II right now and I'm just speechless, the first match some dude bumped me and instead backing up he continued to bump me, until I got hit he finally stoped and backuped, but thats also when I got one shoted by a T 29 and I got nothing out of it...

I don't claim to be the best but, recent event made me blame the playerbase, also even in sims, when I got six kills and we are basically steam rolling them with all caps captured and we are doing great and all... But thats until I got flanked by a Comet while trying t rescue a teammate and there we go, the allies made a second wind and made a huge come back and since the germans is comprised of Tigers, we can't respawn anymore and as I was playing the Tiger E, my killstreak ended aswell...

Also when I was playing french some german team turned salty against me and saying "Fallen if your in a Lorraine 40t your a ****ing P***y" I simply replied "Imma ARL 44 type of guy :)" cuz I was in a ARL 44 at that moment with 4kills and first time playing it lel.

[Empees0]

Nguyên văn bởi Dredd:

Nguyên văn bởi Pizza_4_l1f3:

Well balance? You know the devs try to balance ♥♥♥♥ but sometimes they fail

And how long have they failed at balancing the Germans? A year? Two years? More?

I wouldn't say that the germans are unbalanced, The Germans have lots of good tanks. Let's take the Tiger H1 as a example it's not a bad tank for it's br. It has a good gun (short 8.8) and the arnor isn't that bad, All you need to do for it to be effective is angle the armor.

I think that some of the Russian tanks at 5.3 are unbalanced and underpowered, Let's just look at the gun of the IS 1, T-34-85 (D-5T) and the SU-85M those tanks can have a tough time piercing a Tiger H1 and hell even a Panther D from time to time. And if we take a look at the American tanks at 5.0 - 6.0/6.3 it's like a sucky Sherman swamp, So if there's any nation that might need a buff/br change it's Russia and America, And there are some other nations like the French/Japanese but i havn't played much with them so i can't really say too much about them.

[Bullseye]

Nguyên văn bởi Dredd:

Nguyên văn bởi Bullseye:

You can if the tiger driver is bad and points his front straight at you and doesn't just point and click you before you can aim at a spot where you can pen him.

You wouldn't do it against someone who knows what they are doing.

Same for the crying little tiger 2 drivers omg he can pen me in my turret this is ridiculous I should be invincible lol.

The Tiger 2 can point and click at most of what it fights and instakill them.

Most tanks the Tiger 2 fights have to shoot it in it's glitchy turret over and over and over to get the kill.

Don't even get me started on that abomination know as the IS6 good god I hate that thing.

Interesting how we have the American Jumbo for example which is basically invincible from the front except for a tiny little machinegun port. There's nothing wrong with that eh? But having gigantic weakspots on a German heavy tank is completly fine right? Same with American T34. Unless the driver is an idiot, you can't pen him, because you'll hit the thicker side armor most of the times on the turret, and hitting the lower plate is hard as fck as well as long as the driver has brains.

I actually mentioned the Jumbo originally then edited it out.

Don't make assumptions that I think the Jumbo 75 is ok because I know it's not.

everyone knows the Jumbo 75 is probably the most OP thing in the game for it's BR.

Only thing I know of that can actually take it out from the front at it's BR is the Dicker max and if it's downtiered it's pretty much invincible.

In my opinion they can fix it by buffing APCR only for the Jumbo 75 make it the default ammo make it bounce like a normal round does and buff the damage slightly then they can increase it's BR slightly to make the game more balanced.

[NAF-5th.Legion-Waffen.Div]

Nguyên văn bởi Pizza_4_l1f3:

Nguyên văn bởi NAF-DEADMIKE-5th.Legion-:

wut??? your lag has nothing to do with your winrate, if that was the case you would have bad winrates on all your tanks.

Rly? Device doesn't affect winrate? I have thousands of situation where lag kills me. Like when i get lag spiked and when it happens, theres an enemy vehicle sitting in the field. I could have taken the shot but the vehicle has moved after the lag. I could also detect vehicles ez with high resolution but yeah not going to happen r8. That affects morale and winrate

again if that was the case if would show on the winrate of ALL your vehicles, it dosnt,so your winrates obviously arent because of your lag.

[Dredd]

Nguyên văn bởi Maus:

All of these brand new Tiger drivers whining that their doom bunker isn't as strong as they think it is!

Some tips to make your experience mroe enjoyable and some tactics that I've found that work for me:

1. Stop caring about your win rate LMAO
2. I only care about KDR in my Tigers
3. If you can't afford bushes, after you fire, waggle your turret back and forth. I've bounced APDS from FV 4202s and 122mm APHE by doing that. Go from your 11 to 1 o'clock when waggling your turret.
4. Don't take anything more than 25 rounds. I can't count the number of Tiger II P and H drivers who take a full ammo load and complain when they die after their turret racks get detonated.
5. In the 10.5 Tiger II, you can't be a frontline tank. In AB, stay with the second or third line tanks, and play a support role. Be patient, and you'll rack up kills in no time. The upgraded shell will one shot 99.99% of the time, and makes it very fun to play.
6. Never ever ever ever sit flat on in a Tiger I, unless you are in the premium Panzerbefehlswagen Tiger P. If you are driving a regular Tiger I, after you come to a stop, immediately park your tank's upper glacis off to the left, at about 10-11 o'clock. Waggle your turret too after you start taking incoming fire.
7. Don't take more than 25-30 rounds in any Tiger I.
8. You aren't in a railgun doom bunker.
9. NEVER EVER rely on your armor to save you.
10. Know your tanks, and the enemy tanks. Specifically reload rates.
11. You have to be patient in Tigers to do well.
12. Don't brawl unless you absolutely have to.


The Tigers in War Thunder are great tanks. Yes, they struggle in a complete uptier, but what tanks don't? The T29 is garbage in a complete uptier, the IS-2 mod. 1944 is terrible at anything higher than 6.3, the British heavies are assist machines when not top tier.

Just adjust your playstyle, watch other people play them, know your tanks and your enemies.

I'd just like to clarify I already have Leopards, so I'm not a "brand new Tiger driver". I wrote this out of experience so far with the German line.

[Dredd]

Nguyên văn bởi Rootin Tootin Putin:

Nguyên văn bởi Dredd:

You are saying that like Allies don't spam M18s and stuff. And I don't think the Tiger is invincible, I never said so. I just find it ridiculous that Allies can have tanks that have tiny weakspots, but the Germans can't. That is all. Tigers had many problems, specially KTs. That doesn't change the fact it was never penetrated from the front in combat. And don't get me wrong, I don't want it to be invincible from the front, I would just like it be more durable.

You'll forgive me I hope, I'm all too used to these threads turning into the OP saying German tanks suck and should be impenetrable to all they fight. Even still though, there are people that think it is invincible or they just think its iconic or something and rush it, and end up getting destroyed while having no decent backups since they're all Panzer 3s and 4s.

M18s are heavily spammed as well, and I imagine they're well liked due to the speed and flanking capabilities. M18 has around 53% win rate in AB and RB. In AB the Tiger H1 has 51% win rate and in RB it's 39%. If the Tiger was so bad, I'd expect its win rate to be lower than that at least.

So I stand by my point, people rush Tiger, get Tiger, get ♥♥♥♥♥♥ in Tiger because they don't know how to play it and think its front armor will stand up to guns at the tier. Unangled it's sort of a glass cannon, but if angled, it can be a trolly monster. The turret is really weird, sometimes you pen, sometimes you don't, and don't get me started on the drivers port.

I understand your point, but obviously I'm not that kind of player who sits with his armor flat on towards the enemy barrel if I already got to Leopards. I wrote this out of experience, not just "oh my god the Tiger should be invincible like in real life (even though it wasn't) and everyone should bend over when they see me"

[Wiesell]

Nguyên văn bởi NAF-DEADMIKE-5th.Legion-:

Nguyên văn bởi Pizza_4_l1f3:

Rly? Device doesn't affect winrate? I have thousands of situation where lag kills me. Like when i get lag spiked and when it happens, theres an enemy vehicle sitting in the field. I could have taken the shot but the vehicle has moved after the lag. I could also detect vehicles ez with high resolution but yeah not going to happen r8. That affects morale and winrate

again if that was the case if would show on the winrate of ALL your vehicles, it dosnt,so your winrates obviously arent because of your lag.

Im just saying that if my device gets better than i will win more rounds. Geez

[Dredd]

Nguyên văn bởi Blobfish:

Everyone else seems to deal with uptiers and bad tanks fine except the german tank players. Every tank line has bad tanks, yet german players whine the loudest by far.

But its not about uptiers. At the same brs, the Allies have better tanks, armor and pen as well. And just because a lot of shells don't have HE in it doesn't stop them from completly paralyzing a Tiger and killing it with a second shot.

[NAF-5th.Legion-Waffen.Div]

Nguyên văn bởi Pizza_4_l1f3:

Nguyên văn bởi NAF-DEADMIKE-5th.Legion-:

again if that was the case if would show on the winrate of ALL your vehicles, it dosnt,so your winrates obviously arent because of your lag.

Im just saying that if my device gets better than i will win more rounds. Geez

yea i hear you,and im saying it wont, what it could possibly have an impact on is your killrates, your lag would explain those horrible killrates. but not your winrates.

[Dredd]

Nguyên văn bởi 83athom:

Nguyên văn bởi Dredd:

Here is two for you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dz6oeNf0PBk

Lol, either very old or made by people who have no idea what they are talking about. Neither the Germans nor the British are in a bad spot.

Its less than a month old... but whatever suits you mate.