amx13

[Démogorgon]

Hello,

I havent played a lot this game since some time. I begun playing a low tier pzIV F2, stug... BR 4.7 maximum. When I saw an AMX-13...

I have already seen post war tank against 6.7 and I'm not shocked anymore. But a 4.7 game ???? I know french tanks are ♥♥♥♥♥ but it's not our faut ! This tank should fight his postwar mates in high tier battles !

Knowing the 1st AMX13 war used in 1952, wtf it does against 1930's and early ww2 tanks ??
I've been playing this game since 2014, when the USA tanks didn't even exist and I begin to think "it was better before".

Another better example: before, I really liked the KV1 zis-5 because I could drive pretty quietly without being sniped (LIKE REALITY). Most of the enemy tanks couldn't penetrate my armor easily. Now, I'm affraid to play this tank because it has the medium gun, the bad mobility and now even the armor is nearly useless ! So I take the OP t34/76 and rape the enemy team (too easy... boring)

I can see all the game is unbalanced anymore. I stopped playing WoT because it was too fast, with children players+ gold prenium tanks unbalancing eatch game. And now... I see it coming in WarThunder and it makes me worried about the game.

[DapperSpino]

IT WAS MADE IN THE 50S COLD WAR BIAS!!!!!!!!!!!!
"what? it's only got 20mm of front armor and rocks like a rocking chair when it stops? DON'T CARE, COLD WAR BIAS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

[Comrade Tiedanski 五月天]

Have you checked the stats of the first AMX 13? it's paper thing tank with it's shell of 93mm Max pen is similiar to that of WWII light tanks performance. Time line means jack in this game, but balance is the only thing this game is trying to tweek overtime.

[Démogorgon]

Originally posted by DapperSpino:

IT WAS MADE IN THE 50S COLD WAR BIAS!!!!!!!!!!!!
"what? it's only got 20mm of front armor and rocks like a rocking chair when it stops? DON'T CARE, COLD WAR BIAS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Not my faut if french engineers were ♥♥♥♥ comparate to russians or americans. It stays a post war tank.

[Comrade Tiedanski 五月天]

Originally posted by 3rd-Pz.Totenkopf:

Originally posted by 白火:

Have you checked the stats of the first AMX 13? it's paper thing tank with it's shell of 93mm Max pen is similiar to that of WWII light tanks performance. Time line means jack in this game, but balance is the only thing this game is trying to tweek overtime.

Nt my faut if french engineers were ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥

Then why bring it up when your the one whos uninformed.

[Katokevin]

Originally posted by 3rd-Pz.Totenkopf:

Originally posted by DapperSpino:

IT WAS MADE IN THE 50S COLD WAR BIAS!!!!!!!!!!!!
"what? it's only got 20mm of front armor and rocks like a rocking chair when it stops? DON'T CARE, COLD WAR BIAS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Not my faut if french engineers were ♥♥♥♥ comparate to russians or americans. It stays a post war tank.

In what way? The French decided to go for light armor and mobility with a good gun over armor. Something that is designed to be air-portable to support paratroopers is not going to be well armored as seen in other vehicles designed for the same job (ASU-57 and 85, M22, M551, etc) but still retains a good gun and autoloader (that does take a good chunk of time to load once empty). An oscillating turret is also something you can't really keep stable, especially when on a light and bouncy hull.

There is nothing really OP about it being at the BR of 6.0. The gun on the F11 varriant can be compared to one of the T-34's at best. Shove a 75mm through the hull and its done for. Do that to the turret and the breech is either out or somebody is dead. The only real advantage they have is the small size and that's about it.

[Démogorgon]

Originally posted by Katokevin:

Originally posted by 3rd-Pz.Totenkopf:

Not my faut if french engineers were ♥♥♥♥ comparate to russians or americans. It stays a post war tank.

In what way? The French decided to go for light armor and mobility with a good gun over armor. Something that is designed to be air-portable to support paratroopers is not going to be well armored as seen in other vehicles designed for the same job (ASU-57 and 85, M22, M551, etc) but still retains a good gun and autoloader (that does take a good chunk of time to load once empty). An oscillating turret is also something you can't really keep stable, especially when on a light and bouncy hull.

There is nothing really OP about it being at the BR of 6.0. The gun on the F11 varriant can be compared to one of the T-34's at best. Shove a 75mm through the hull and its done for. Do that to the turret and the breech is either out or somebody is dead. The only real advantage they have is the small size and that's about it.

Ok, so why add a useless and post war tank ? I don't really see the interest someone can have for this thing. It wastes money for something you can have in a ww2 tank (t34 for example).

Just add variety ? Like WoT, "just for fun"... yes I see how is wot and how WT will become too...

[Démogorgon]

The only thing that makes me happy is to play ww2 planes against ww2 planes without have my immersion ruined by ugly postwar monsters !

[Katokevin]

Originally posted by 3rd-Pz.Totenkopf:

Originally posted by Katokevin:

In what way? The French decided to go for light armor and mobility with a good gun over armor. Something that is designed to be air-portable to support paratroopers is not going to be well armored as seen in other vehicles designed for the same job (ASU-57 and 85, M22, M551, etc) but still retains a good gun and autoloader (that does take a good chunk of time to load once empty). An oscillating turret is also something you can't really keep stable, especially when on a light and bouncy hull.

There is nothing really OP about it being at the BR of 6.0. The gun on the F11 varriant can be compared to one of the T-34's at best. Shove a 75mm through the hull and its done for. Do that to the turret and the breech is either out or somebody is dead. The only real advantage they have is the small size and that's about it.

Ok, so why add a useless and post war tank ? I don't really see the interest someone can have for this thing. It wastes money for something you can have in a ww2 tank (t34 for example).

Just add variety ? Like WoT, "just for fun"... yes I see how is wot and how WT will become too...

With scouting, they are highly useful. I can sit in a hidden spot and mark multiple tanks with a map and 3D marker that lasts 30 seconds for my team. As I do that, I can carefully move and get on the sides and plunk side shots on these tanks for easy kills or dissable critical parts (engine or breech for example) which while spotted, my team can easily move in and pick it off. Personally, I love the AMX-13 as a backup or start of the match tank to gain tons of spawn points while making some RP and XP without even firing a single round if need be.

Nearly all tanks have their uses, but it depends on if you are going to look at its advantages and dissadvantages and figure out how you should use it and what needs to be avoided while doing such. Post war machines do not make them suddenly deadly machines. An ASU-57 or Super Sherman are by no means amazing death machines imune to WWII tanks. The time it comes more into play is late Tier IV which many post war tanks can still be dealt with depending on what you are using and fighting.

[Blitzkrieg Wulf]

Originally posted by 3rd-Pz.Totenkopf:

The only thing that makes me happy is to play ww2 planes against ww2 planes

without have my immersion ruined by ugly postwar monsters !

That is implemented in the game as historical events... and every single one I have participated in has been more or less one-sided. That's why (or, one of the reasons) that is not the match making model Gaijin has adopted for all gameplay.

"Immersion" is a relative concept; a video game will never (Well, not in the next ten years, anyways) beat doing the same thing in real life... And "Ugly" is a personal opinion... A lot of people think some of the post-war designs are pretty nifty & awesome.

Originally posted by 3rd-Pz.Totenkopf:

I can see all the game is unbalanced anymore. I stopped playing WoT because it was too fast, with children players+ gold prenium tanks unbalancing eatch game. And now... I see it coming in WarThunder and it makes me worried about the game.

Both WoT and WT have/are fast paced, and both have many young players; I'm not sure why either of those are relevant to your complaint that the AMX is at a low BR.


Looking at the AMX, it has very thin armor, and as others have said, the way the suspension acts when accelerating/stopping, and after firing the gun makes it hard to use.

The gun is not special by any stretch. No HE filler means more two, three, and four shot kills than any of its 3.3 counterparts. Its shells don't have good penetration at angle (Any more than other nations), it does not have fast reload, and it's elevation/depression is abysmal.

So, besides the tank being newer than what you are using, what measurable advantage does it have over opposing 3.3 tanks that makes it unbearable?

[Illusionyary]

The only issue I've had with the AMX-13s is the additional armour plate infront of the turret neck seems to just absorb shells for some reason, but I learned to just shoot above it and it's an instant kill.

Postwar tanks are fine against wartime tanks provided its balanced. Compare the M24 and the AMX-13 FL-11. The M24 has it beat in pretty much every regard. Better gun, better reverse, stabilizer, better turret, similar armour and speed.

By your logic the AMX-13 FL-11 should be 7.0 because it's postwar despite having the same or worse performance as a 3.3 tank.

[Solaire of Astora]

I've played the game way longer and the only thing that is a big problem is both A.Mixed faction battles in RB which was suppose to be "temp" and B. BR spread of +-1.0 when it should realistically be +-0.7.

BR spreading becomes noticeable terrible at 6.3+

[Démogorgon]

Originally posted by Illusionyary:

The only issue I've had with the AMX-13s is the additional armour plate infront of the turret neck seems to just absorb shells for some reason, but I learned to just shoot above it and it's an instant kill.

Postwar tanks are fine against wartime tanks provided its balanced. Compare the M24 and the AMX-13 FL-11. The M24 has it beat in pretty much every regard. Better gun, better reverse, stabilizer, better turret, similar armour and speed.

By your logic the AMX-13 FL-11 should be 7.0 because it's postwar despite having the same or worse performance as a 3.3 tank.

I don't say 7.0, it would be very exagerated. But this tank has nothing to do here, knowing he can be beat by ww2 tanks easily. Just a useless add in my opinion. There are certainly more interesting ww2 tanks (not "paper tanks" plz) to do.

[Illusionyary]

Originally posted by 3rd-Pz.Totenkopf:

I don't say 7.0, it would be very exagerated. But this tank has nothing to do here, knowing he can be beat by ww2 tanks easily. Just a useless add in my opinion. There are certainly more interesting ww2 tanks (not "paper tanks" plz) to do.

Such as? France surrendered in 1940, they missed 5 years of tank development during this time, it's only natural that postwar tanks are going to creep into lower tiers. They need to put something there to fill the tree out.

Does it really matter anyway? As I explained the M24 is better in every way to the AMX-13 (FL11) at the same BR, surely that's a good thing? The AMX-13 (FL11) isn't "paper" either. The AMX-13 was one of the most successful light tanks ever built.

[Démogorgon]

Originally posted by Illusionyary:

Originally posted by 3rd-Pz.Totenkopf:

I don't say 7.0, it would be very exagerated. But this tank has nothing to do here, knowing he can be beat by ww2 tanks easily. Just a useless add in my opinion. There are certainly more interesting ww2 tanks (not "paper tanks" plz) to do.

Such as? France surrendered in 1940, they missed 5 years of tank development during this time, it's only natural that postwar tanks are going to creep into lower tiers. They need to put something there to fill the tree out.

Does it really matter anyway? As I explained the M24 is better in every way to the AMX-13 (FL11) at the same BR, surely that's a good thing? The AMX-13 (FL11) isn't "paper" either. The AMX-13 was one of the most successful light tanks ever built.

Right, they missed 5 years of tank devlopment. So why are they against ww2 tanks while they shouldn't ? Dev sould have made only 1940 tanks and then post war tanks that can fight post war tanks. They didn't have to add absolutly post war tanks in ww2 battles just to add it and have some 4.0, 5.0 tanks.

It would have been nice too, just 1940 tanks and than post wae tanks way further in BR.

[Wiesell]

Its a scout tank. Come on