Germany's 13 mm MG 131 SUCKS

[Zailplane]

It makes so sense how bad it is, please help me to understand. This MUST be a big flaw in the game if I'm not mistaken.

EDIT: Plus they sound like airsoft XD

[kamikazi21358]

The 7.92mms are better, the 13mms fire softballs.

[DevilDaRebel]

aren't they supposed to be a bigger caliber than .50 or the equivalent? And they shoot HE... but still don't do ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ compared to .50s.

I remember reading a guide saying that they were under performing.

[Mods]

Originally posted by DevilDaRebel:

aren't they supposed to be a bigger caliber than .50 or the equivalent? And they shoot HE... but still don't do ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ compared to .50s.

I remember reading a guide saying that they were under performing.

because germany they are less powerful then canons obviously, but also have a lower yield payload then american .50s

[DevilDaRebel]

Originally posted by Mods_o_joy:

Originally posted by DevilDaRebel:

aren't they supposed to be a bigger caliber than .50 or the equivalent? And they shoot HE... but still don't do ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ compared to .50s.

I remember reading a guide saying that they were under performing.

because germany they are less powerful then canons obviously, but also have a lower yield payload then american .50s

I fail to understand how, when it's shooting a bigger caliber than .50 by a small margin, but packed with HE.

[Mods]

Originally posted by DevilDaRebel:

Originally posted by Mods_o_joy:

because germany they are less powerful then canons obviously, but also have a lower yield payload then american .50s

I fail to understand how, when it's shooting a bigger caliber than .50 by a small margin, but packed with HE.

because its more then likely not packed with HE as you say. and if it is then chances are you just are not hitting the target, 1.7g of total explosive filler (.4 of that being thermite) is not much, to add to that its a pure HE round, and fitting that much explosive in such a tiny package means that they more then likely sacrificed any decent frag characteristics.

[The Bone Zone]

Originally posted by DevilDaRebel:

aren't they supposed to be a bigger caliber than .50 or the equivalent? And they shoot HE... but still don't do ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ compared to .50s.

I remember reading a guide saying that they were under performing.

Despite being a 0.3mm wider(as a 50. cal can also be called a 12.7mm) they are lighter than the browning 50. cal, and also have a small cartrige resulting in way worse muzzle velocity, also the 50. cal is longer and when you add up the fact that the 50. is heavier and travels faster it's pretty clear why it packs a way bigger punch

Link to a picture with different ammo types used in WW2 planes including the german 13mm and the us 50. cal: http://www.quarryhs.co.uk/BoB.htm

in order they would be from left to right, the .303 British (7.7x56R), .5 inch Vickers (12.7x81), .50 Browning (12.7x99), 20mm Hispano (20x110), 7.92mm v-Munition (7.92x57), 20mm MG-FFM (20x80RB), 15mm MG 151 (15x96), 20mm MG 151/20 (20x82), 13mm MG 131 (13x64B)

plus they basically have about 1.2 grams of TNT(feel free to correct me if i'm wrong), and sometimes having less TNT than a firecracker won't get you to far and just for reference the firecrackers i used to play with during holidays have about 3 grams of explosives in them(they were the big kind), please don't call the FBI on me :"(

[Mods]

Originally posted by I'm Keto Saiba:

Originally posted by DevilDaRebel:

aren't they supposed to be a bigger caliber than .50 or the equivalent? And they shoot HE... but still don't do ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ compared to .50s.

I remember reading a guide saying that they were under performing.

Despite being a 0.3mm wider(as a 50. cal can also be called a 12.7mm) they are lighter than the browning 50. cal, and also have a small cartrige resulting in way worse muzzle velocity, also the 50. cal is longer and when you add up the fact that the 50. is heavier and travels faster it's pretty clear why it packs a way bigger punch

Link to a picture with different ammo types used in WW2 planes including the german 13mm and the us 50. cal: http://www.quarryhs.co.uk/BoB.htm

in order they would be from left to right, the .303 British (7.7x56R), .5 inch Vickers (12.7x81), .50 Browning (12.7x99), 20mm Hispano (20x110), 7.92mm v-Munition (7.92x57), 20mm MG-FFM (20x80RB), 15mm MG 151 (15x96), 20mm MG 151/20 (20x82), 13mm MG 131 (13x64B)

plus they basically have about 1.2 grams of TNT(feel free to correct me if i'm wrong), and sometimes having less TNT than a firecracker won't get you to far and just for reference the firecrackers i used to play with during holidays have about 3 grams of explosives in them(they were the big kind), please don't call the FBI on me :"(

1.3 Grams of PETN and .4 grams of thermite if memory is right. for HEIT 13mm

[The Bone Zone]

Originally posted by Mods_o_joy:

Originally posted by I'm Keto Saiba:

Despite being a 0.3mm wider(as a 50. cal can also be called a 12.7mm) they are lighter than the browning 50. cal, and also have a small cartrige resulting in way worse muzzle velocity, also the 50. cal is longer and when you add up the fact that the 50. is heavier and travels faster it's pretty clear why it packs a way bigger punch

Link to a picture with different ammo types used in WW2 planes including the german 13mm and the us 50. cal: http://www.quarryhs.co.uk/BoB.htm

in order they would be from left to right, the .303 British (7.7x56R), .5 inch Vickers (12.7x81), .50 Browning (12.7x99), 20mm Hispano (20x110), 7.92mm v-Munition (7.92x57), 20mm MG-FFM (20x80RB), 15mm MG 151 (15x96), 20mm MG 151/20 (20x82), 13mm MG 131 (13x64B)

plus they basically have about 1.2 grams of TNT(feel free to correct me if i'm wrong), and sometimes having less TNT than a firecracker won't get you to far and just for reference the firecrackers i used to play with during holidays have about 3 grams of explosives in them(they were the big kind), please don't call the FBI on me :"(

1.3 Grams of PETN and .4 grams of thermite if memory is right. for HEIT 13mm

how much is 1.3 grams of PETN in TNT tho? i just want to know if i was close

[DevilDaRebel]

Originally posted by I'm Keto Saiba:

Originally posted by DevilDaRebel:

aren't they supposed to be a bigger caliber than .50 or the equivalent? And they shoot HE... but still don't do ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ compared to .50s.

I remember reading a guide saying that they were under performing.

Despite being a 0.3mm wider(as a 50. cal can also be called a 12.7mm) they are lighter than the browning 50. cal, and also have a small cartrige resulting in way worse muzzle velocity, also the 50. cal is longer and when you add up the fact that the 50. is heavier and travels faster it's pretty clear why it packs a way bigger punch

Link to a picture with different ammo types used in WW2 planes including the german 13mm and the us 50. cal: http://www.quarryhs.co.uk/BoB.htm

in order they would be from left to right, the .303 British (7.7x56R), .5 inch Vickers (12.7x81), .50 Browning (12.7x99), 20mm Hispano (20x110), 7.92mm v-Munition (7.92x57), 20mm MG-FFM (20x80RB), 15mm MG 151 (15x96), 20mm MG 151/20 (20x82), 13mm MG 131 (13x64B)

plus they basically have about 1.2 grams of TNT(feel free to correct me if i'm wrong), and sometimes having less TNT than a firecracker won't get you to far and just for reference the firecrackers i used to play with during holidays have about 3 grams of explosives in them(they were the big kind), please don't call the FBI on me :"(

No no, that is clear obviously. Later model .50 are better in every way. But compared to early .50, they still dont perform similar, or even close despite having similar ballistics. Muzzle velocity being a difference of 120 and double the barrel length... Still, this is missing the point of the MG13 HE ammo, which was to help destroy surface area control, which it really doesn't do in the game... And it performs just like a regular 7.92 for the AP ammo. Also, PETN is not the same as TNT, it is more powerful. It should at the very least, perform close to an early .50... but it performs like a regular caliber.

1.3 PETN should be about 2.5 grams of TNT.

[The Bone Zone]

Originally posted by DevilDaRebel:

Originally posted by I'm Keto Saiba:

Despite being a 0.3mm wider(as a 50. cal can also be called a 12.7mm) they are lighter than the browning 50. cal, and also have a small cartrige resulting in way worse muzzle velocity, also the 50. cal is longer and when you add up the fact that the 50. is heavier and travels faster it's pretty clear why it packs a way bigger punch

Link to a picture with different ammo types used in WW2 planes including the german 13mm and the us 50. cal: http://www.quarryhs.co.uk/BoB.htm

in order they would be from left to right, the .303 British (7.7x56R), .5 inch Vickers (12.7x81), .50 Browning (12.7x99), 20mm Hispano (20x110), 7.92mm v-Munition (7.92x57), 20mm MG-FFM (20x80RB), 15mm MG 151 (15x96), 20mm MG 151/20 (20x82), 13mm MG 131 (13x64B)

plus they basically have about 1.2 grams of TNT(feel free to correct me if i'm wrong), and sometimes having less TNT than a firecracker won't get you to far and just for reference the firecrackers i used to play with during holidays have about 3 grams of explosives in them(they were the big kind), please don't call the FBI on me :"(

No no, that is clear obviously. Later model .50 are better in every way. But compared to early .50, they still dont perform similar, or even close despite having similar ballistics. Muzzle velocity being a difference of 120... Still, this is missing the point of the MG13 HE ammo, which was to help destroy surface area control, which it really doesn't do in the game... And it performs just like a regular 7.92 for the AP ammo. Also, PETN is not the same as TNT, it is more powerful.

1.3 PETN should be about 2.5 grams of TNT.

nice job, you found your answer, just like the hispano HEFI-SAPI shells the roll they had in real life and were good doesn't exist in this game because of the way planes are modeled in this game, which is nothing new i might add.

[DevilDaRebel]

Originally posted by I'm Keto Saiba:

Originally posted by DevilDaRebel:

No no, that is clear obviously. Later model .50 are better in every way. But compared to early .50, they still dont perform similar, or even close despite having similar ballistics. Muzzle velocity being a difference of 120... Still, this is missing the point of the MG13 HE ammo, which was to help destroy surface area control, which it really doesn't do in the game... And it performs just like a regular 7.92 for the AP ammo. Also, PETN is not the same as TNT, it is more powerful.

1.3 PETN should be about 2.5 grams of TNT.

nice job, you found your answer, just like the hispano HEFI-SAPI shells the roll they had in real life and were good doesn't exist in this game because of the way planes are modeled in this game, which is nothing new i might add.

It should at the very least be more powerful, I was excited to unlock it and IAI HE belts for it, just to pass by a fighter, shoot it and see dust clouds on the plane and no hit markers. Like come on.

[Rocketrod]

I presume your talking about ships. If so just try the British ones with the lewis guns. They SUCK. Like you shoot anything from 700m for a couple seconds, and it turns the hull damage thing to yellow, no real damage.

[Blitzkrieg Wulf]

Not answering to whether or not the physical bullets are represented the way they are supposed to be (I don't know, so i won't comment), BUT:

As I remember, the MG131 was supposed to mimic the MG151's trajectory, so you didn't have the classic problem of trying to hit with cannons OR hit with machine guns.

Case diameters of the MG131 were 13x64B (iirc).
Case diameters of the M2 were 12.7x99.

Bullet weight and velocity of MG131 was ~550 gr @ 750m/s.
Bullet weight and velocity of M2 was ~710 gr @ 900 m/s.

That .50 is moving like a freight train and it'll hit like one too. If the physical bullet HE component isn't modeled correctly, the MG131 isn't gonna compare to an M2.

[DevilDaRebel]

Originally posted by Blitzkrieg Wulf:

Not answering to whether or not the physical bullets are represented the way they are supposed to be (I don't know, so i won't comment), BUT:

As I remember, the MG131 was supposed to mimic the MG151's trajectory, so you didn't have the classic problem of trying to hit with cannons OR hit with machine guns.

Case diameters of the MG131 were 13x64B (iirc).
Case diameters of the M2 were 12.7x99.

Bullet weight and velocity of MG131 was ~550 gr @ 750m/s.
Bullet weight and velocity of M2 was ~710 gr @ 900 m/s.

That .50 is moving like a freight train and it'll hit like one too. If the physical bullet HE component isn't modeled correctly, the MG131 isn't gonna compare to an M2.

Couldn't have said it better myself. The M2 was more of a kinetic energy weapon, the MG131 although still a machine gun, performed like small cannons, really small cannons.

[Booomboclat!!!]

Originally posted by AZAK7:

It makes so sense how bad it is, please help me to understand. This MUST be a big flaw in the game if I'm not mistaken.

EDIT: Plus they sound like airsoft XD