The VFW hate magnet.

[Evill Bob]

So both Germany and Britain has been on my back burner for a long time as I tend to play USA, USSR, and Japan. During the event I grinded up a VFW and figured it would be as good as excuse as any to unlock the German tree past 3.3, get a Tiger (to which have come to respect after getting the overpriced but still nice Heavy Tank #6), and finally get myself a Panther since I doubt they'll ever add the vehicle to the French tree. So I got some universal backups from the Warbonds shop and jumped in. Now I am used to driving around hate magnets such as the M18 Hellcat BUT I WAS NOT PREPARED. Seriously what did people DO with these things that opponents would be willing to throw the entire game just to bypass all objectives, track me down, and murder this giant toaster!?

Great vehicle by the way, even if it's a free kill for any plane or SPAA that thinks he's clever.

[GIJoe597]

I cannot type for others, but my entire goal is to destroy paid tanks and the VFW every match. shrugs.

[袁銀-ゆん-Yun]

VFW has high penetration power, enough to go through the Jumbo Frontally, like the KV2. Unlike the KV2, it's turret is thin armor that is enough to block .50 Cals. But not enough to detonate shells.

Meaning, shells we go through and either miss crew or knock out one crew, who probibly won't be the gunner. Meanwhile, it also have 5.2 or 5 seconds of reload. Making it fire as quick as an ACE Jumbo. It also moves at 65 Km/h, so it's relativly fast.

[Fast2pizza]

VFW is the better nashorn pretty much (just bigger, quicker, has no MGs, and has a *kick me* sign for planes and m18s to see)

I love these VFW (I have one) and thanks to it my planes are getting more kills every battle where my team doesn't suside by stupidity

[kamikazi21358]

The FlaKtoaster (got it but haven’t played it yet) just looks ike a higher BR version of tanks like the FlaKbus, Marder, ZiS-30, etc. Fast reloading powerful gunned tanks, with little armour and open topped, average mobility, etc.

[Lain]

I find it really fun to play, it was definitely worth getting. It has no armor or protection, but the gun and reload more than make up for it, not only that but it has some great backups too, being the Panther A and D, as well as the Tiger 1s and Waffentrager. The option to put the side panels up and down is fairly nice too, though I have not seen many use it with them up.

[un.Casual]

I've shot down planes in Sim with my VFW

[Mods]

引用自 kamikazi21358：

The FlaKtoaster (got it but haven’t played it yet) just looks ike a higher BR version of tanks like the FlaKbus, Marder, ZiS-30, etc. Fast reloading powerful gunned tanks, with little armour and open topped, average mobility, etc.

Problem is the VFW suffers from abrams syndrome, crew is well spaced meaning you cant really kill them before they kill you, and its damage model is broken, its breech is modeled as being too small and it has no turret ring. combine that with its large stature and outside of constantly laying fire into every section of the front and waiting for crew replacement and hopefully getting a shot off before he reloads and taking out the last crew member, the VFW is a very trolly vehicle to fight against.

[Sobolewski]

引用自 Evill Bob：

Seriously what did people DO with these things that opponents would be willing to throw the entire game just to bypass all objectives, track me down, and murder this giant toaster!?

4-man squads of squadron players who came down to seal club in order to grind the Battle Engineer event abused the ♥♥♥♥ out of the flaktoaster. One Flaktoaster? Sure, you can handle it with your .50 cal and your 75/76mm cannon. Four of them moving togheter? You're ♥♥♥♥♥♥. After they died, they'd respawn on Do 335s and proceed to CAS-rape every allied tank on the map with high-penning 30mm APCR belts.

Killed the Do 335? Guess what, they still have Panther A, Panther D, Tiger H1, Tiger E, Waffentrager, Wirbelwind and Ostwind to go, not counting backups or even a Bf109 K-4 or a Me 410/ Ju 288C. And a ton of score to spawn them.

Allied 4.7-5.7 became hell on Earth because of the Flaktoaster spam, and even now there's still a lot of them out there.

[Ragnarok]

引用自 Sobolewski：

引用自 Evill Bob：

Seriously what did people DO with these things that opponents would be willing to throw the entire game just to bypass all objectives, track me down, and murder this giant toaster!?

4-man squads of squadron players who came down to seal club in order to grind the Battle Engineer event abused the ♥♥♥♥ out of the flaktoaster. One Flaktoaster? Sure, you can handle it with your .50 cal and your 75/76mm cannon. Four of them moving togheter? You're ♥♥♥♥♥♥. After they died, they'd respawn on Do 335s and proceed to CAS-rape every allied tank on the map with high-penning 30mm APCR belts.

Killed the Do 335? Guess what, they still have Panther A, Panther D, Tiger H1, Tiger E, Waffentrager, Wirbelwind and Ostwind to go, not counting backups or even a Bf109 K-4 or a Me 410/ Ju 288C. And a ton of score to spawn them.

Allied 4.7-5.7 became hell on Earth because of the Flaktoaster spam, and even now there's still a lot of them out there.

German 6.7 is hell to Americans. Its fair :P

[Druckform | INSOMNIAC 3D]

引用自 Sobolewski：

引用自 Evill Bob：

Seriously what did people DO with these things that opponents would be willing to throw the entire game just to bypass all objectives, track me down, and murder this giant toaster!?

4-man squads of squadron players who came down to seal club in order to grind the Battle Engineer event abused the ♥♥♥♥ out of the flaktoaster. One Flaktoaster? Sure, you can handle it with your .50 cal and your 75/76mm cannon. Four of them moving togheter? You're ♥♥♥♥♥♥. After they died, they'd respawn on Do 335s and proceed to CAS-rape every allied tank on the map with high-penning 30mm APCR belts.

Killed the Do 335? Guess what, they still have Panther A, Panther D, Tiger H1, Tiger E, Waffentrager, Wirbelwind and Ostwind to go, not counting backups or even a Bf109 K-4 or a Me 410/ Ju 288C. And a ton of score to spawn them.

Allied 4.7-5.7 became hell on Earth because of the Flaktoaster spam, and even now there's still a lot of them out there.

welcome to people who squad, stop complaining and squad up yourself and see how that ♥♥♥♥♥ normal

[DevilDaRebel]

引用自 Mods_o_joy：

引用自 kamikazi21358：

The FlaKtoaster (got it but haven’t played it yet) just looks ike a higher BR version of tanks like the FlaKbus, Marder, ZiS-30, etc. Fast reloading powerful gunned tanks, with little armour and open topped, average mobility, etc.

Problem is the VFW suffers from abrams syndrome, crew is well spaced meaning you cant really kill them before they kill you, and its damage model is broken, its breech is modeled as being too small and it has no turret ring. combine that with its large stature and outside of constantly laying fire into every section of the front and waiting for crew replacement and hopefully getting a shot off before he reloads and taking out the last crew member, the VFW is a very trolly vehicle to fight against.

Yeah you can, aim for the left side of the turret, or go for the gun barrel, breech, it's a massive gun.

[Mods]

引用自 DevilDaRebel：

引用自 Mods_o_joy：

Problem is the VFW suffers from abrams syndrome, crew is well spaced meaning you cant really kill them before they kill you, and its damage model is broken, its breech is modeled as being too small and it has no turret ring. combine that with its large stature and outside of constantly laying fire into every section of the front and waiting for crew replacement and hopefully getting a shot off before he reloads and taking out the last crew member, the VFW is a very trolly vehicle to fight against.

Yeah you can, aim for the left side of the turret, or go for the gun barrel, breech, it's a massive gun.

When you non-pen seven APCR rounds while shooting the breech because the VFW is simply hiding the left side of his turret, you will understand true pain

[kamikazi21358]

The entire underside is an ammo rack too from my understanding. And the crew is positioned in a way to 2-shot kill it, including the gunner.

[Mods]

引用自 kamikazi21358：

The entire underside is an ammo rack too from my understanding. And the crew is positioned in a way to 2-shot kill it, including the gunner.

hull down fixes that, and ammo racks are unreliable.

[kamikazi21358]

引用自 Mods_o_joy：

引用自 kamikazi21358：

The entire underside is an ammo rack too from my understanding. And the crew is positioned in a way to 2-shot kill it, including the gunner.

hull down fixes that, and ammo racks are unreliable.

The crew still can be lined up for 2 shots, though this necessarily isn’t an excuse to not-fix problems like the breach as I probably should mention.

If the vehicle had a couple thinks fixed, relatively speaking it should be balanced at 5.7, looking at the trend of previous tier gunned open tops. In fact, it should be worse — because of BR compression, the VFW fights alongside even medium tanks with the same gun, and only 0.7 below heavies like the Tiger II P, while the flakbus for example is a full 1.7 br below the Tiger, ZiS-30 is a full 2.0 below the T-34-57, and the Marder III H a full 1.0 BR below the Pz IV J and 1.3 below the Pz IV H, and even they have worse guns than the Marder III H’s gun (150mm+ penetration).

So speaking, all problems should not be BR related, but rather probably just survivability being too high.