T-10m or T95e1

[rrubberr]

So thanks to Gaijin's new RP costs at Tier V, yesterday I was able to research the T-10M in the Soviet tree and the T95e1 in the American tree. Are either of these vehicles worth spending the SL on and playing?

It seems like a waste for the T95e1 to have as much armor as it does at 8.0. It looks like a worse Conqueror (way down at 7.3 facing Tiger IIs) with irrelevant armor and very little going for it (other than FREE apfsds).

The T-10M looks like something that should be at 7.7. It's cannon was penetrating 300mm after they first added the new penetration calculations, but has dropped back to 285mm. I understand the armor is worse than an IS3.

Should I spend to get either of these, or just wait until I research the MBT 70 and T62 and never play these?

[microspace38]

Originally posted by King Cotton:

So thanks to Gaijin's new RP costs at Tier V, yesterday I was able to research the T-10M in the Soviet tree and the T95e1 in the American tree. Are either of these vehicles worth spending the SL on and playing?

It seems like a waste for the T95e1 to have as much armor as it does at 8.0. It looks like a worse Conqueror (way down at 7.3 facing Tiger IIs) with irrelevant armor and very little going for it (other than FREE apfsds).

The T-10M looks like something that should be at 7.7. It's cannon was penetrating 300mm after they first added the new penetration calculations, but has dropped back to 285mm. I understand the armor is worse than an IS3.

Should I spend to get either of these, or just wait until I research the MBT 70 and T62 and never play these?

Trust me, the T95e1's armor is NOT useless. It can definitely be penned, but you'll still bounce quite a few shots. Meanwhile, its stock ammo makes the stock grind easier, since it can pretty much pen everybody at every range and is easy to snipe with.

I can't say anything about the T-10m, as I'm not even sure I've fought it in battle. Stat-wise it looks pretty good, but considering how rare it is I would guess it's at least unpopular, if not useless.

[rrubberr]

Originally posted by microspace38:

Trust me, the T95e1's armor is NOT useless. It can definitely be penned, but you'll still bounce quite a few shots. Meanwhile, its stock ammo makes the stock grind easier, since it can pretty much pen everybody at every range and is easy to snipe with.

I can't say anything about the T-10m, as I'm not even sure I've fought it in battle. Stat-wise it looks pretty good, but considering how rare it is I would guess it's at least unpopular, if not useless.

Yeah I saw a couple of T10m players in a match yesterday at 9.0. Certainly no issues dealing with them at that point, but it makes me think they suffer from having long reload, minimal penetration, and constant uptier.

[spicyboi74]

i love my t95e1 but i do get uptiered almost every game.... armor is ok and the gun is pretty good...i dont have the t10m either but i do have 9.3 russians and i dont regret not getting it

[MJ-Nether]

T95E1 has not stab. T10-M does.

T95E1 is a good sniper while the T10-M does better in CQC where he can use advantage of his stabilizer (pretty common at 8.3 btw...). However, the T-10M has slow reload, medium mobility, and its armor means nothing against HEAT and APFSDS (also considering there is ammo everywhere inside and it is pretty cramped)

[rrubberr]

Originally posted by MJ-Nether:

T95E1 has not stab. T10-M does.

T95E1 is a good sniper while the T10-M does better in CQC where he can use advantage of his stabilizer (pretty common at 8.3 btw...). However, the T-10M has slow reload, medium mobility, and its armor means nothing against HEAT and APFSDS (also considering there is ammo everywhere inside and it is pretty cramped)

Yeah I was pretty excited to see a stabilizer on a Russian 122mm cannon, but I'm not sure that it is a relevant cannon at 8.3 even with the improved round.

[trevorkrause]

The t10m was the most feared and played tank in war thunder.

[83athom]

Originally posted by King Cotton:

Originally posted by MJ-Nether:

T95E1 has not stab. T10-M does.

T95E1 is a good sniper while the T10-M does better in CQC where he can use advantage of his stabilizer (pretty common at 8.3 btw...). However, the T-10M has slow reload, medium mobility, and its armor means nothing against HEAT and APFSDS (also considering there is ammo everywhere inside and it is pretty cramped)

Yeah I was pretty excited to see a stabilizer on a Russian 122mm cannon, but I'm not sure that it is a relevant cannon at 8.3 even with the improved round.

Nukes Leos, XMs, MBTs/KPZs, AMXs, Chieftains, and basically every LT and TD. Only really has issue against Russian tanks, M60s (A1 and later variants, count base M60 as a M48), and some of the other heavy tanks at that area (M103 and counting the Foch as it has heavy tank levels of armor and gun).

[rrubberr]

Originally posted by 83athom:

Originally posted by King Cotton:

Yeah I was pretty excited to see a stabilizer on a Russian 122mm cannon, but I'm not sure that it is a relevant cannon at 8.3 even with the improved round.

Nukes Leos, XMs, MBTs/KPZs, AMXs, Chieftains, and basically every LT and TD. Only really has issue against Russian tanks, M60s (A1 and later variants, count base M60 as a M48), and some of the other heavy tanks at that area (M103 and counting the Foch as it has heavy tank levels of armor and gun).

Yeah not that I have used the two, I can say for sure that the T10m is a substantially more fun tank to play.

The T95E1 is a completely unremarkable tank, and for some reason it literally cannot turn from a standstill unless you start reversing.

The T10m is great, nobody expects silly 122mm APHE at 9.0. In addition, the 122mm APDS is great for sniping, as the combination of scope and 1600 m/s muzzle velocity make it extremely easy to aim.

[RedSector73]

Originally posted by King Cotton:

The T95E1 .... for some reason it literally cannot turn from a standstill unless you start reversing.

I've always wondered if this is a programming fault rather than by design, anyone know ?

It is without doubt the worst tank to turn, standing still it cant turn whatsoever.

[Dakota]

Originally posted by RedSector73:

Originally posted by King Cotton:

The T95E1 .... for some reason it literally cannot turn from a standstill unless you start reversing.

I've always wondered if this is a programming fault rather than by design, anyone know ?

It is without doubt the worst tank to turn, standing still it cant turn whatsoever.

Gaijin does not model regenerative steering. Many of the US tanks, especially later ones, use this form of steering to provide around twice as much torque as what is applied ingame to the wheels. This generally results in most of them not turning at all at a standstill, especially on hills.

[83athom]

Originally posted by King Cotton:

Originally posted by 83athom:

Nukes Leos, XMs, MBTs/KPZs, AMXs, Chieftains, and basically every LT and TD. Only really has issue against Russian tanks, M60s (A1 and later variants, count base M60 as a M48), and some of the other heavy tanks at that area (M103 and counting the Foch as it has heavy tank levels of armor and gun).

The T95E1 is a completely unremarkable tank, and for some reason it literally cannot turn from a standstill unless you start reversing.

I have and use the T95E1 myself, and its quite a fun tank. Yeah its annoying to turn from a standstill (All you have to do is give it power through manual engine controls or just hold forward/reverse for a split second before turning). But after the mobility buff... WOW it is fun. Fast, reasonably maneuverable, excellent gun, good armor (I've been bouncing T-55-AM and Leo A1A1 rounds consistantly), and pretty good gun control.

[rrubberr]

Originally posted by 83athom:

Originally posted by King Cotton:

The T95E1 is a completely unremarkable tank, and for some reason it literally cannot turn from a standstill unless you start reversing.

I have and use the T95E1 myself, and its quite a fun tank. Yeah its annoying to turn from a standstill (All you have to do is give it power through manual engine controls or just hold forward/reverse for a split second before turning). But after the mobility buff... WOW it is fun. Fast, reasonably maneuverable, excellent gun, good armor (I've been bouncing T-55-AM and Leo A1A1 rounds consistantly), and pretty good gun control.

Yeah I had a match on sands of Sinai in the short time I played it where I was in an engagement at about 1.8km with a TAM that just could not penetrate my armor for the life of him.

[Jepicus]

T10M is good, if you shoot first. And you better kill them too, or you can enjoy the 20 second stock reload (15 with max crew). The armor is great, if you verse apcr, aphe, apcbc etc, but you wont. Have fun facing stabilised apds, heatfs and apfsds.
It's a nice tank, it really is, but not when you're are ALWAYS uptiered to a minimum of 8.7 (stabilised apfsds yay) or helicopters with atgms or whatever.

T10M is alright but the glory days are very much over, the IS7 is superior in my opinion (same BR), even though it doesn't have apds, heatfs or a stabiliser. If you are looking to fill up the glorious soviet 8.3 lineup I definitely recommend it, but don't expect anything exceptional from the tank alone.

[rrubberr]

Originally posted by Gryffyd:

T10M is good, if you shoot first. And you better kill them too, or you can enjoy the 20 second stock reload (15 with max crew). The armor is great, if you verse apcr, aphe, apcbc etc, but you wont. Have fun facing stabilised apds, heatfs and apfsds.
It's a nice tank, it really is, but not when you're are ALWAYS uptiered to a minimum of 8.7 (stabilised apfsds yay) or helicopters with atgms or whatever.

T10M is alright but the glory days are very much over, the IS7 is superior in my opinion (same BR), even though it doesn't have apds, heatfs or a stabiliser. If you are looking to fill up the glorious soviet 8.3 lineup I definitely recommend it, but don't expect anything exceptional from the tank alone.

I like the T10m for the stabilizer, but you're right. I have to play it like a like take, never get spotted, and always take the first shot.

And I'm certainly not spending $700 on an IS7 lol.