2A5, T-80U but no M1A1HA?

[Arend]

Gaijin added all those new 10.0 tanks recently but the Americans get the regular M1A1? The T-80U is not pennable by the M1A1, neither is the Leopard 2A5’s turret... But the M1A1, pennable by anything at top tier... And I thought the Leopard 2A5 was sort of equal to the T-90A? Hello Gaijin wake up please!

[Fsxlover2]

The T-80U is pennable, just not everywhere. You can kill it by shooting the area around the gun breach. I tried it in Custom battles and most of the time they get one shot there. As for the Leo 2a5, it sure does not belong at 10.0. We are still waiting for Gaijin to raise the br of it. Hopefully in 1.91 we get the m1a1ha or the m1a2.

[Beingy]

I have the leo2a5, t80u and m1a1. I like the Leo cuz of have a good armour in the turret, t80 have good speed and good armour too in general, m1a1 I dont like to much because I die very easy when im facing 2a5 and t80u.

[Arend]

Originally posted by Fsxlover2:

The T-80U is pennable, just not everywhere. You can kill it by shooting the area around the gun breach. I tried it in Custom battles and most of the time they get one shot there. As for the Leo 2a5, it sure does not belong at 10.0. We are still waiting for Gaijin to raise the br of it. Hopefully in 1.91 we get the m1a1ha or the m1a2.

That’s exactly my point. You just have to aim anywhere on the M1A1 and you will go through it.

[Arend]

Originally posted by Ehh:

But the leopard will give you a hard time but if you shoot to the left of the ufp you can kill the commander gunner and driver

I don’t need advise how to kill them, I have enough experience with them. My point is that the Leo and T-80 can rely on their armor. While the M1A1 can’t. The M1A1 isn’t a glass cannon either. The gun is basicly the same as the 2A5.

[kamikazi21358]

Originally posted by Ehh:

i mean ur tank has the best mobility out of all three of them?

T-80U is more mobile than the M1A1.

Originally posted by Ehh:

if you have the m1a1 you can easily pen the t80u
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Kontakt-5, even in it’s extremely nerfed state, prevents penetration outside of the driver’s hatch weakspot and gun breach.

Originally posted by Arend:

Originally posted by Fsxlover2:

The T-80U is pennable, just not everywhere. You can kill it by shooting the area around the gun breach. I tried it in Custom battles and most of the time they get one shot there. As for the Leo 2a5, it sure does not belong at 10.0. We are still waiting for Gaijin to raise the br of it. Hopefully in 1.91 we get the m1a1ha or the m1a2.

That’s exactly my point. You just have to aim anywhere on the M1A1 and you will go through it.

They shouldn’t have added the 2A5, it should have been the 2A4 C armour package. And both the M1A1 and M1A1(HA) should have been added with M829A1.

[Blitz ÂceRosin]

They had to nerf the Abrams overall by removing its advanced FCS, thermal optics and making it so you can't depress your cannon to be even above your rear (Even though the actual abrams can do that)

Plus, they made the engine louder than petrol/diesel, when it's called "Whispering death" considering the only thing you ever really hear is the clank of the tracks.

This video covers it quite nicely. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUWPcmZPFug

[Ragnarok]

Yes, because we want American dominance again.

[kamikazi21358]

Originally posted by Blitz ÂceRosin:

They had to nerf the Abrams overall by removing its advanced FCS, thermal optics and making it so you can't depress your cannon to be even above your rear (Even though the actual abrams can do that)

Plus, they made the engine louder than petrol/diesel, when it's called "Whispering death" considering the only thing you ever really hear is the clank of the tracks.

This video covers it quite nicely. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUWPcmZPFug

Tbf, all tanks are missing FCS, IR, NV, etc. Instead, they prefer to throw them on 2x2km jokemaps instead.

[kamikazi21358]

Originally posted by Barneys Had Enough Of You.:

Yes, because we want American dominance again.

M1A1(HA) isn’t even as good as the Leopard 2A5.

[Ģ◊иℤ◊⚡ℤ∀муpΛй]

Originally posted by kamikazi21358:

Originally posted by Ehh:

i mean ur tank has the best mobility out of all three of them?

T-80U is more mobile than the M1A1.

Originally posted by Ehh:

if you have the m1a1 you can easily pen the t80u
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Kontakt-5, even in it’s extremely nerfed state, prevents penetration outside of the driver’s hatch weakspot and gun breach.

Originally posted by Arend:

That’s exactly my point. You just have to aim anywhere on the M1A1 and you will go through it.

They shouldn’t have added the 2A5, it should have been the 2A4 C armour package. And both the M1A1 and M1A1(HA) should have been added with M829A1.

that makes no sense.. why should you add the m1a1(ha) its just a m1a1 with more armor nothing else its also slower, why would you want it if they can still pen your tank, the germans needed the leopard2a5 but i think its a little too strong in turret armor and should be fixed no one knows the actual armor of the turret the americans should have gotten the M1A2 and the russians the T64BM along with the T72BU that would have been fair, the Kontakt era 5 could have been applied to the T80B as unlockable armor.

[Fsxlover2]

Hopefully 1.91 will bring the m1a1ha or m1a2

[Prophet1313]

First yes the M1A1 is kinda at the bottom this patch. No doubt about that. But for the love of gaijin stop asking for the A1HA.... Those first gen DU plates do NOTHING against kinetic penetrators.

[kamikazi21358]

Originally posted by ╬Ģ◊иŽФ⚡∀mηЯΛ¥╬:

Originally posted by kamikazi21358:

T-80U is more mobile than the M1A1.


Kontakt-5, even in it’s extremely nerfed state, prevents penetration outside of the driver’s hatch weakspot and gun breach.


They shouldn’t have added the 2A5, it should have been the 2A4 C armour package. And both the M1A1 and M1A1(HA) should have been added with M829A1.

that makes no sense.. why should you add the m1a1(ha) its just a m1a1 with more armor nothing else its also slower, why would you want it if they can still pen your tank, the germans needed the leopard2a5 but i think its a little too strong in turret armor and should be fixed no one knows the actual armor of the turret the americans should have gotten the M1A2 and the russians the T64BM along with the T72BU that would have been fair, the Kontakt era 5 could have been applied to the T80B as unlockable armor.

Because nothingnin game would penetrate the DU turret armour?

Also the T-64BM isn’t Russian, T-72BU is just a prototype T-90 that is identical (if they made the end of the Cold War the new cut off date or something, then T-72BU would make sense, but we’re passed that) so there isn’t much sense in calling it T-72BU unless you are making it some premium/event vehicle. (Alternatively, you could be mistaken the T-72BU with the T-72B obr. 1989). The T-80B never got Kontakt-5, unless you want to count the completely different 2010s T-80BVM, which has multiple chances, and the kontakt-5 was mainly side armour (Relik is it’s main ERA).

Originally posted by Prophet1313:

First yes the M1A1 is kinda at the bottom this patch. No doubt about that. But for the love of gaijin stop asking for the A1HA.... Those first gen DU plates do NOTHING against kinetic penetrators.

That would be the case if ammunition actually had historical penetration, or if they added DM53 and stuff. But as of know, as you know, nothing that is a KEP in game has 600mm penetration.

[Ģ◊иℤ◊⚡ℤ∀муpΛй]

Originally posted by kamikazi21358:

Originally posted by ╬Ģ◊иŽФ⚡∀mηЯΛ¥╬:

that makes no sense.. why should you add the m1a1(ha) its just a m1a1 with more armor nothing else its also slower, why would you want it if they can still pen your tank, the germans needed the leopard2a5 but i think its a little too strong in turret armor and should be fixed no one knows the actual armor of the turret the americans should have gotten the M1A2 and the russians the T64BM along with the T72BU that would have been fair, the Kontakt era 5 could have been applied to the T80B as unlockable armor.

Because nothingnin game would penetrate the DU turret armour?

Also the T-64BM isn’t Russian, T-72BU is just a prototype T-90 that is identical (if they made the end of the Cold War the new cut off date or something, then T-72BU would make sense, but we’re passed that) so there isn’t much sense in calling it T-72BU unless you are making it some premium/event vehicle. (Alternatively, you could be mistaken the T-72BU with the T-72B obr. 1989). The T-80B never got Kontakt-5, unless you want to count the completely different 2010s T-80BVM, which has multiple chances, and the kontakt-5 was mainly side armour (Relik is it’s main ERA).

Originally posted by Prophet1313:

First yes the M1A1 is kinda at the bottom this patch. No doubt about that. But for the love of gaijin stop asking for the A1HA.... Those first gen DU plates do NOTHING against kinetic penetrators.

That would be the case if ammunition actually had historical penetration, or if they added DM53 and stuff. But as of know, as you know, nothing that is a KEP in game has 600mm penetration.

The T-90 is a renamed T-72BU with very little changes, still the T64BM would be very important it doesnt matter if its not russian its still a mixed game with all kinds of warsaw pact nations. I dont care they added tanks from 2016 why not add the newest T72's and T80's from the ukraine war.

[Arend]

Originally posted by ;1642038749328865851:

First yes the M1A1 is kinda at the bottom this patch. No doubt about that. But for the love of gaijin stop asking for the A1HA.... Those first gen DU plates do NOTHING against kinetic penetrators.

That's untrue.
The normal M1A1 has ♥♥♥♥♥♥ composite armor that protects the tank against 350-450 mm of Kinetic penetrators. While the M1A1 HA has 600-800mm of armour against APFSDS.
Gaijin added like almost all the main T-64 and T-80 variants. So why not some of the M1A1's variants?
Or better, add the M1A2 so all the nations can suffer what America suffers now.