Panther II, Tiger II (105), Maus and Coelian hidden

[Illusionyary]

As title says, in 1.91 all 4 of these will be hidden from the tree to those who do not already have them. The Panther, Tiger and Coelian I can understand, but the Maus? Oh boy...

https://warthunder.com/en/news/6317-development-changes-and-optimization-in-the-german-tech-tree-en

[magicISO Sweden]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGU7ORPGArg watch this he is telling you everting you need to know

[burg4401]

if you have started to research you will not lose the tank, even 1rp, it is in the notes for the update. read it.

they will become event vehicles, in the notes for the update, read it.

maybe just read the notes and comments for the updates............

[CaptainSpacetime]

Emerald the Femboy (Stressed) の投稿を引用：

Ps: Im still researching the tanks that lead to the maus.

you realize the maus sucks though yeah? like don't get your hopes up.

[Nica]

burg4401 の投稿を引用：

if you have started to research you will not lose the tank, even 1rp, it is in the notes for the update. read it.

they will become event vehicles, in the notes for the update, read it.

maybe just read the notes and comments for the updates............

Maybe just read his comment. He is not able to research those tanks yet

[𝐸𝓋𝑒𝓁𝒾𝓃𝑒]

The panther II did actually get a prototype hull built

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/98/Panther_II.Fort_Knox.jpg

However its been paired with a G turret

[The Bone Zone]

Simple gaijin logic, we add a tank that in the beginning is good, we keep powercreeping it with new tanks to the point where if it stays at its current br its bad but if we move it even 0.3 down it becomes to strong, basically shooting themselfs in the foot.
They ignore the only rational solution, and that is br decompression, so they simply remove it.

Or they, as per usual, want to make a quick buck later by, as they said in the dev blog, remove the maus and make it an even reward later.

[RetroRun]

Removing fun vehicles, and giving a crappy 7.7 m48, I say, just give Germans T54s, T62s and T72s as east Germany had those. People fail to realize this is just a damn game. Fantasy tanks, if within the realms of reality and proper br, wont harm, there are already lots of mass produced vehicles. I would be switching to wot, if they hadn't that abysmal health system.

[IceWord]

Nailed it.

[isomorphic_projection]

Yes, cause of the time spend and money.

[Haegler]

Col. Cornbread の投稿を引用：

Haegler の投稿を引用：

I swear, if this new M48 will be a forced research, I'm going to riot.

I already hated the last M48 because I had researched everything else at the Tier and in the other branches directly above that BR and wanted to research the LeoA1A1 next...just for them to plop down their M48A2 which is a mandatory research before getting the LeoA1A1...I've spent many matches now grinding to get through that thing and I swear that if Gaijin forces me to play another hundred games to research another M48 before I can move on to the next Leo, I'll deinstall the damned game.

What???? you don;t want a 7.7 90mm M48? but its there to replace.... the Panther 2 Kt 105 and Maus..... just because its going to be a steaming pile of ♥♥♥♥ doesn't mean its going to be a steaming pile of ♥♥♥♥.

I don't have a problem with the M48 as a tank though I won't play them because I want a German tree to be German. Just like I didn't really tough the Japanese Sherman or the Japanese M41.

I'm pissed off by the fact that they might force me to research that thing before I can advance to the next research

[Ratigan]

Blitzkrieg Wulf の投稿を引用：

Rusty Shackleford の投稿を引用：

Where do we draw the line? I can't help but feel like they'll use this as an excuse down the line to remove more and more vehicles.

Logic should suggest how highly implausible that statement is.

You really mean to suggest Gaijin is going to spend thousands/tens of thousands of dollars, per vehicle, and then start removing them left and right?


>> To put the spotlight square on the issue: Is 4.5 years not enough time to research a vehicle that just had it's RP cost cut in half?

>> The HUGE clue dropped a year(Actually well over a year ago...) ago in a Q&A talking about "Gee, we're thinking about removing the 10,5cm and P2 and oh by the way, we already have their replacements ready to go."

Rusty Shackleford の投稿を引用：

Lets remove the following...

You don't seem to grasp what "removing from research" means. Some things you said "Need removed" were never even available for research, or have already been removed from sale. I would also highlight the difference between removing from research and removing outright, the latter of which must have been what you meant.

Do you understand the intent behind why these specific vehicles were added, and how that has shifted over the last 4+ years?

If you do, then you would realize there is no need to promote fearmongering that Gaijin is going to start a vehicle removing rampage.

Okay but why remove the Maus then in this update? There was clearly NO form of headsup unlike the Panther II & Tiger 10.5cm.
It's clearly in the current game art be it loading screen or promotional content, doesn't make sense to bunch it up with the blueprint tanks.

[Nica]

Garfield の投稿を引用：

Simple gaijin logic, we add a tank that in the beginning is good, we keep powercreeping it with new tanks to the point where if it stays at its current br its bad but if we move it even 0.3 down it becomes to strong, basically shooting themselfs in the foot.
They ignore the only rational solution, and that is br decompression, so they simply remove it.

Or they, as per usual, want to make a quick buck later by, as they said in the dev blog, remove the maus and make it an even reward later.

Gajin only knows how to make money by locking content behind paywalls. This is the classic fallout 76-move. Asset flip within the same game even in this case

[SirLlamaGeddon]

Great way to ruin your game more Gaijin

I got a warning last time for expressing my thoughts on this discussion forum and this will probably be a ban off it. Seriously what the actual ♥♥♥♥ Gaijin. Your response to removing the maus etc is that it doesn't fit the "meta" and it should just be removed and added as a collector's vehicle... Why the ♥♥♥♥ would you keep ruining ur game more by making germany have about 0 6.7 tanks for new players... Don't even get me started on how bad the maps are made and how poorly coded the networking is etc. Just fix your game already and listen to the community or we wouldn't be having this discussion. It's almost like telling a kid to do better in school as they constantly receive Fs until they get help from someone else. Hence why another company should take the game and make it better.

[LINO]

Agree.

Love this game and hate it. I can still have much fun but really wish Gaijin would consider working with the community

[sneakybass]

I don't care about any tank as long as Its not unfair or belongs In the right tier and Is not op. And every country has some thing about the same strength.......