The Russian rush to the Pe8 in tank RB

[The Mighty Goldfish]

I don't know how long this has been a thing for as I've only recently tried getting back into War Thunder, but I found out of my first 15 matches, atleast 8 of them had someone who would just grab a BT-7, rush the point, cap it and then die, and then come in a Pe8 with that borderline Tsar Bomba and nuke the heck out of half the team.

Given that I only ever see it kill friendlies I gather they turned off team killing for it, which imho was a big mistake. Team Killing should provide a hinderence to such tactics, and discourage people from cheesing the game in such a way. I also note that most of these people J'd out of it and respawned immediately with another Pe8 (which the previous kill count had given them more than enough points for). Rinse repeat and utter dissapointment for our team.
All games were at Br 5.7 (+- 1) playing as the germans. One guy did the Pe8 thing on our team so we shot him down before he could nail the enemy.

What are other peoples thoughts about this pretty unfair and fun-ruining tactic?

[Lucas]

Originally posted by The Mighty Goldfish:

All games were at Br 5.7 (+- 1) playing as the germans. One guy did the Pe8 thing on our team so we shot him down before he could nail the enemy.

What are other peoples thoughts about this pretty unfair and fun-ruining tactic?

No matter your reason, team killing is against the rules.

[DevilDaRebel]

The irony in this thread is too damn much. It's almost making me mad.

[The Mighty Goldfish]

Would you rather a game end instantly and have no amount of enjoyability in it? Let the admins quote the rules if you please, you're not one.

Irony? I actually don't follow where you're coming from. Still, 'tis my opinion on it. I did ask what y'all thought.

[DevilDaRebel]

Originally posted by The Mighty Goldfish:

Would you rather a game end instantly and have no amount of enjoyability in it? Let the admins quote the rules if you please, you're not one.

You're a fool.

[The Mighty Goldfish]

Then I'll die with the satisfaction of knowing I was a fool, yes? Danke, danke.

[The Mighty Goldfish]

Also, we didn't actually shoot him down. Shot at him but we were all in tanks, not SPAA, and I can't aim at planes for what my life's worth even when I'm in AA.

[Sobolewski]

The Pe-8 thing is scumbaggery, in my opinion. But teamkilling won't solve it. Rather, what often happens is they get 2 or more teamkills along with their pack of kills - and that results in them being automatically kicked from the battle AND having to pay about 14k SL per friendly killed. I take great comfort in that thought, and so I share this with you so you may find comfort as well.

Your team might get crippled by it, but if they do get 2 or more teamkills, the opposing team will also be crippled - even if to a lesser degree. And sometimes they kill more from their team than the opposing team, which is hilarious. So much for their greed.

[The Mighty Goldfish]

Hm, fair enough then. I haven't actually seen one of their teamkills so I thought it'd been disabled, glad to know there is still some consequence.
I just don't see how doing that is fun, heck I tried rushing a cap as the germans just to get a fighter up to counter it as soon as I could (of course, this was a game where it didn't happen).

Thank you for sharing that, it is indeed comforting.

[Scheneighnay]

Originally posted by Sobolewski:

The Pe-8 thing is scumbaggery, in my opinion. But teamkilling won't solve it. Rather, what often happens is they get 2 or more teamkills along with their pack of kills - and that results in them being automatically kicked from the battle AND having to pay about 14k SL per friendly killed. I take great comfort in that thought, and so I share this with you so you may find comfort as well.

Your team might get crippled by it, but if they do get 2 or more teamkills, the opposing team will also be crippled - even if to a lesser degree. And sometimes they kill more from their team than the opposing team, which is hilarious. So much for their greed.

Beat me to it, I haven't used the Pe-8 yet but I have used the Wellington with its blockbuster, and it's hard to pick a target without having to worry about nuking my teammates in the process. I can call out what's getting nuked over chat, but that always goes ignored. Today when I was in a fighter I warned my team that an enemy bomber was heading straight for their point and none of them budged.

Also bombers that size are easy to shoot down. They can counter it by flying higher, but the higher they are, the less accurate the bomb is and the longer it takes to land, so the risk of teamkilling increases.

[Sobolewski]

Originally posted by The Mighty Goldfish:

Hm, fair enough then. I haven't actually seen one of their teamkills so I thought it'd been disabled, glad to know there is still some consequence.
I just don't see how doing that is fun, heck I tried rushing a cap as the germans just to get a fighter up to counter it as soon as I could (of course, this was a game where it didn't happen).

Thank you for sharing that, it is indeed comforting.

I see the teamkill-kick incidents happen almost every day I do play war thunder for more than an hour, and often multiple times a day. Most of the time it's a brazillian or someone from south-american hispanic countries.

As a brazillian myself, I know how greedy and shameless most of my fellow countrymen are - always eager to abuse OP and easy-to-use stuff and rack in the profits - and also how toxic most hispanic players are. This will often play out the wrong way and they end up with a 70k SL bill for 12k gains in a match when they thought they would pay 4k repairs and rake in 35-50k SL for that. I just roll on the floor laughing whenever it happens and I wasn't in the blast radius.

[The Mighty Goldfish]

Originally posted by Scheneighnay:

Beat me to it, I haven't used the Pe-8 yet but I have used the Wellington with its blockbuster, and it's hard to pick a target without having to worry about nuking my teammates in the process. I can call out what's getting nuked over chat, but that always goes ignored. Today when I was in a fighter I warned my team that an enemy bomber was heading straight for their point and none of them budged.

Also bombers that size are easy to shoot down. They can counter it by flying higher, but the higher they are, the less accurate the bomb is and the longer it takes to land, so the risk of teamkilling increases.

However, this is in the earliest stages of the game. We don't have fighters since they rush the point with a BT7 (or other particularly quick light tank). Since it's RB we don't have AA that early on (bar the few rare occassions).
I see your point, but I digress. It comes down to luck, coordination of the team, and skill to deal with them. Even then, if there's a squad doing it it goes out the window.

[Sobolewski]

Originally posted by The Mighty Goldfish:

Originally posted by Scheneighnay:

Beat me to it, I haven't used the Pe-8 yet but I have used the Wellington with its blockbuster, and it's hard to pick a target without having to worry about nuking my teammates in the process. I can call out what's getting nuked over chat, but that always goes ignored. Today when I was in a fighter I warned my team that an enemy bomber was heading straight for their point and none of them budged.

Also bombers that size are easy to shoot down. They can counter it by flying higher, but the higher they are, the less accurate the bomb is and the longer it takes to land, so the risk of teamkilling increases.

However, this is in the earliest stages of the game. We don't have fighters since they rush the point with a BT7 (or other particularly quick light tank). Since it's RB we don't have AA that early on (bar the few rare occassions).
I see your point, but I digress. It comes down to luck, coordination of the team, and skill to deal with them. Even then, if there's a squad doing it it goes out the window.

About the squad-bombing part, take a look at this video - it's hilarious and outrageous at the same time.

https://youtu.be/5aFQqPVFmag

[Scheneighnay]

Originally posted by Sobolewski:

Originally posted by The Mighty Goldfish:

However, this is in the earliest stages of the game. We don't have fighters since they rush the point with a BT7 (or other particularly quick light tank). Since it's RB we don't have AA that early on (bar the few rare occassions).
I see your point, but I digress. It comes down to luck, coordination of the team, and skill to deal with them. Even then, if there's a squad doing it it goes out the window.

About the squad-bombing part, take a look at this video - it's hilarious and outrageous at the same time.

https://youtu.be/5aFQqPVFmag

Uniform squads like to break the game.

I had one where the enemy team won in record time by having 4 KV-1 Zis in a squad rushing our point (2 objective game)- the rest of their team was nowhere to be seen, but that didn't matter because it was 3.3-4.3 and next to nothing in that spread can pen them without shooting between their tracks.
Of course it didn't help either that I was the only one pushing to stop the cap, because the rest of my teammates were trying to snipe at them from our spawn.

I managed to set 1 on fire before getting firing-squadded by the other 3.

[Sobolewski]

Originally posted by Scheneighnay:

Originally posted by Sobolewski:

About the squad-bombing part, take a look at this video - it's hilarious and outrageous at the same time.

https://youtu.be/5aFQqPVFmag

Uniform squads like to break the game.

I had one where the enemy team won in record time by having 4 KV-1 Zis in a squad rushing our point (2 objective game)- the rest of their team was nowhere to be seen, but that didn't matter because it was 3.3-4.3 and next to nothing in that spread can pen them without shooting between their tracks.
Of course it didn't help either that I was the only one pushing to stop the cap, because the rest of my teammates were trying to snipe at them from our spawn.

I managed to set 1 on fire before getting firing-squadded by the other 3.

That is cancer. Also Panther A/ M10 Ersatz and Captured Churchill squads.

[Pumba70]

Originally posted by Mirage:

Not sure if they changed something about the Pe-8 or if people just recently discovered it as a strat, but it's pretty annoying having half your team wiped with a single press of a button.

They recently raised the explosive mass in the 5,000 kg bomb to upwards of 5.0 tons from 3.3 tons or so. Essentially, they made it even deadlier. But hey, if this keeps up the repair cost-hammer will come down and we might not have to worry about it anymore)))