How to Panzer 4 G?

[Commander Shepard]

Its literally a gun sitting on a tin can. Its armor is entirely useless as even a single shot from any tank its BR would pen 100% of the time, one shot is all it takes to render it useless and then dead with the second.

Pz4 F2 was much better as it could atleast move real fast doging enemy fire and outflanking the enemy with ease. Now on my to panther I was forced to buy pz4 G and it is outgunned by even the KV tanks in its BR. Even the jagdpanzer 38t can take multiple hits to face without flinching, and t34s can deflect using their slope, but pz4 G is flat and slow.

The only use I've found for it is to either hide and snipe unsuspecting enemies from a long distance or third party into battle from behind. It feels completely useless for a proper combat.

[Mechanical_Lamb23]

Not sure what youre complaining about considering there is almost no difference between the G and F2, maybe some turret rotation that can be easily worked around.

The panzer4 series has a great gun with a great reload mounted on tanks with at least decent speed and slightly inferior armor. Youre essentially complaining the panzer4 G (which is hardly any different than the F2) isnt perfect because some tanks have sloped armor (and far inferior guns might i add) or theyre heavy tanks (which also have inferior guns) so theyre not as easy to pen

Not sure what to tell you. And the hetzer is meant to be bouncy from the front, helps make up for its completely defenseless sides and rear.

[Commander Shepard]

Originally posted by Mechanical_Lamb23:

Not sure what youre complaining about considering there is almost no difference between the G and F2, maybe some turret rotation that can be easily worked around.

The panzer4 series has a great gun with a great reload mounted on tanks with at least decent speed and slightly inferior armor. Youre essentially complaining the panzer4 G (which is hardly any different than the F2) isnt perfect because some tanks have sloped armor (and far inferior guns might i add) or theyre heavy tanks (which also have inferior guns) so theyre not as easy to pen

Not sure what to tell you. And the hetzer is meant to be bouncy from the front, helps make up for its completely defenseless sides and rear.

What I'm saying is its got a heavier armor than F2 which makes it a lot slower in speed and hence inadequate for face to face combat or running combat.

It actually feels like a downgrade from F2 in this game because even though its armor would be good in 1941 here in the game its facing tanks from 1943 and later in that situation it drives and rotates too slow which means its a easy target in active combat unless hidden in a lot of cover.

[83athom]

Originally posted by Commander Shepard:

What I'm saying is its got a heavier armor than F2 which makes it a lot slower in speed and hence inadequate for face to face combat or running combat.

Except it doesn't... it's the same armor with an extra 30mm plate on the front. And you're not supposed to be in cqc in the Panzer IV... the ♥♥♥♥ are you thinking? Use the amazing gun that doesn't get an equivalent in other trees until later BRs.

Originally posted by Commander Shepard:

It actually feels like a downgrade from F2 in this game because even though its armor would be good in 1941 here in the game its facing tanks from 1943 and later in that situation it drives and rotates too slow which means its a easy target in active combat unless hidden in a lot of cover.

Ah, I see the problem. The F2 is undertiered as it is, which is why the G feels like such a downgrade. The F2 should be 3.7 by all measures.

[Pacipoodillie]

Originally posted by 83athom:

Except it doesn't... it's the same armor with an extra 30mm plate on the front. And you're not supposed to be in cqc in the Panzer IV... the ♥♥♥♥ are you thinking? Use the amazing gun that doesn't get an equivalent in other trees until later BRs.

The extra plates on the G add a ton to the overall weight and according to the stat card it does reduce its max speed. Since the stat cards aren't meant to be representations of what tanks will do the 3 km/h difference is probably noticeable if you really try to notice it. Also the KwK40 L43/48 is rivaled by earlier guns in a few trees. The British 6-pounder, while not having explosive mass and ~20mm less penetration, is very capable, the Soviet Zis-2 on both the Zis-30 and LVT, the 57mm M1, and both Ho-Ni TDs. The 17-pounder also makes its first appearance at the F2's br.

The Panzer IVs should definitely not be driven into close quarters situations though. None but the short 75s and the IV H are really capable of brawling and the IV H is only capable due to its currently broken turret.

Originally posted by 83athom:

Ah, I see the problem. The F2 is undertiered as it is, which is why the G feels like such a downgrade. The F2 should be 3.7 by all measures.

The F2 really doesn't have any reason to be 3.7. I doubt it being +0.4br higher would impact the F2 much but doing that would create a gap in the German line.

[Arbys We Have The Meats]

This is the same guy who complained about ♥♥♥ tanks like the chi to or Ri, were OP with their "noodle cannon".
The F2, was also had pretty weak armor, the panzer 4s aren't really supposed to rank shots, they have a goon gun with good reload, either stay back and try to snipe, take cover and cover your weakpoints, or flank.
Of course they're easy to kill, they're boxes, and glass cannons.

[Commander Shepard]

Originally posted by chowdhury1000:

This is the same guy who complained about ♥♥♥ tanks like the chi to or Ri, were OP with their "noodle cannon".
The F2, was also had pretty weak armor, the panzer 4s aren't really supposed to rank shots, they have a goon gun with good reload, either stay back and try to snipe, take cover and cover your weakpoints, or flank.
Of course they're easy to kill, they're boxes, and glass cannons.

eww a stalker. I can complain about whatever I like, stop following me like a creep

[Arbys We Have The Meats]

Originally posted by Commander Shepard:

Originally posted by chowdhury1000:

This is the same guy who complained about ♥♥♥ tanks like the chi to or Ri, were OP with their "noodle cannon".
The F2, was also had pretty weak armor, the panzer 4s aren't really supposed to rank shots, they have a goon gun with good reload, either stay back and try to snipe, take cover and cover your weakpoints, or flank.
Of course they're easy to kill, they're boxes, and glass cannons.

eww a stalker. I can complain about whatever I like, stop following me like a creep

Nah it's just hilarious watching someone complain something like a chi to or Ri with their "noodle cannon". How bad do you have to be to say those tanks are OP! They have rice paper armor, practically non existent turret traverse, and horrid mobility. It's even more hilarious seeing you complain about something like the panzer 4G. It's not an KV, or tiger, it doesn't tank shots. Learn how to play it properly.