American 7.0 and 7.3 ground forces

[Abahaba666]

Hi. What do you think about american 7.0 line up and 7.3? How is it doing?

[Sobolewski]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Dakota:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Hugh de Salle:

T25 WR 69.80% K/D 3.30

M36 WR 67.96 K/D 1.92

Takin the piss a bit now or would you like some more higher WR T20 is a good one at 72% and a K/D ration of 3.82 i could keep going their is so many to chose from in the American tech tree?.

Should we stop now or should we carry on that MURICA is so under performing :P

So no argument then? Tigers and Panthers are better tanks in this game than the T25 and M36 but their drivers are so bad that they can't get even close to the same stats in them.

With these T25 and M36 being inferior in either every single way or all but one or two aspects to their equivalents at the BR, all I can say is that really, Germany has some serious skill issues.

[The Bone Zone]

You know, i like how people keep coming up with those statistics proving how bad the Tiger 1 and 2 are, and here i am having a 61% winrate and a 2 kills per death on the Tiger H1, and while a lower in rate on the Tiger 2 of only 51% i also have 3 kills per death, it's almost like the tanks are good if played by, you know what i won't call myself a good player, i know i'm not, but an average player.

[Dakota]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Accidentul lui Tata:

You know, i like how people keep coming up with those statistics proving how bad the Tiger 1 and 2 are, and here i am having a 61% winrate and a 2 kills per death on the Tiger H1, and while a lower in rate on the Tiger 2 of only 51% i also have 3 kills per death, it's almost like the tanks are good if played by, you know what i won't call myself a good player, i know i'm not, but an average player.

Yeah its really interesting.

I think the best thing about the winrates argument for German tanks is how its a sort of mirrored argument for their air argument. They sit in air with 70-90% winrates commonly, state its "clearly" just allied teams are bad, they have too many bombers, etc. Yet you can look at axis teams and find just as many bombers, yet their bombers have more payload, the move faster, or they have better defense, etc and their fighters easily turn with the American ones and outclimb them or start with airspawns etc. 70-90% winrates for them is just fine, yet any time a US vehicle gets a 60% winrate its the end of the world. Even with the old Abrams and Leo 2A4 patches ago they were saying how the Abrams must be nerfed because it is winning and how Germany is suffering when they never even dropped below a 50% winrate. It was shown that doing average for Germany is "suffering". And so here we are with the Tigers sitting here proposed to drop down to 5.3 at the same BR as 76 Shermans and American heavies moved up to the point that German mediums out perform them at the same BR, and its considered fair and balanced because they don't know how to use a Tiger for anything more than sitting back and sniping.

[Dakota]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Tarmok:

XD love this kind of threads. Someone asks about the USA (or any allied nation) Instandly people cry about german bias, cause it was the US, who had to constantly face mid-late cold war tanks with by far infirior WW2 tech

>be germany
>complain about muh 1945 vehicle facing 1950s vehicles in a full uptier
>complain about muh meme super tank not even finished by WWII facing vehicles that came out after it
>be US tank from 1970s
>have tanks from 2000s below your BR

>be germany
>complain about facing ATGMs or HEATFS that everyone else faces anyway that is capable of penning you in a full uptier while being immune to anything but APCR frontally in downtiers
>be US
>be frontally penned on a full downtier in your heavy tank
>gun is from 2.0 BRs down
>enemy armor is immune to it aside from weakspots
>germans beg for you to be raised further in BR.


Wo, its almost like Germany is easy mode and anything they suffer from everyone else suffers from worse.

[Hugh de Salle]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Dakota:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Tarmok:

XD love this kind of threads. Someone asks about the USA (or any allied nation) Instandly people cry about german bias, cause it was the US, who had to constantly face mid-late cold war tanks with by far infirior WW2 tech

>be germany
>complain about muh 1945 vehicle facing 1950s vehicles in a full uptier
>complain about muh meme super tank not even finished by WWII facing vehicles that came out after it
>be US tank from 1970s
>have tanks from 2000s below your BR

>be germany
>complain about facing ATGMs or HEATFS that everyone else faces anyway that is capable of penning you in a full uptier while being immune to anything but APCR frontally in downtiers
>be US
>be frontally penned on a full downtier in your heavy tank
>gun is from 2.0 BRs down
>enemy armor is immune to it aside from weakspots
>germans beg for you to be raised further in BR.


Wo, its almost like Germany is easy mode and anything they suffer from everyone else suffers from worse.

Keep off the Bong Dakota.

MURICA gets all their big guns nice and early like the Sherman 76 came out late 1944 but WT insist you get it in before the Tiger even appears.

British Firefly's appeared in mid 1944 but again WT insists you have it before the Tigers

T-34 85 mm appeared early 1944 but here have it before the Tigers

Jumbo Sherman appeared late 1944 but hey you can drive before the Tigers.

And lets not forget the slew of MURICA mid tier monsters like the T29, 30, 32, 34 all with WR above 65% while the battle tested and proven Tigers are made to be target practice by MURICA bias while there players shout Git Gud.

Tell you what the most Iconic tank of the WWII is made a laughing stock by Gaijin cos of so called balance when in reality nothing could touch it for two years but hey here's an idea.

Why not have a proper realistic mode of battle where MURICA players have to use skill to take a Tiger out like in reality i mean forget the fact that Tigers had a 11-1 kill ratio and one Tiger destroyed 22 T34s in one engagement hell no or the fact 1 Tiger destroyed 12 Sherman's in 30 mins.

Gaijin have made the Tiger a joke of a tank and Germany lacks anything that can contest caps unlike MURICA coz Gaijin gave MURICA all their big guns early coz BALANCE.

[The Bone Zone]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Hugh de Salle:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Dakota:

>be germany
>complain about muh 1945 vehicle facing 1950s vehicles in a full uptier
>complain about muh meme super tank not even finished by WWII facing vehicles that came out after it
>be US tank from 1970s
>have tanks from 2000s below your BR

>be germany
>complain about facing ATGMs or HEATFS that everyone else faces anyway that is capable of penning you in a full uptier while being immune to anything but APCR frontally in downtiers
>be US
>be frontally penned on a full downtier in your heavy tank
>gun is from 2.0 BRs down
>enemy armor is immune to it aside from weakspots
>germans beg for you to be raised further in BR.


Wo, its almost like Germany is easy mode and anything they suffer from everyone else suffers from worse.

Keep off the Bong Dakota.

MURICA gets all their big guns nice and early like the Sherman 76 came out late 1944 but WT insist you get it in before the Tiger even appears.

British Firefly's appeared in mid 1944 but again WT insists you have it before the Tigers

T-34 85 mm appeared early 1944 but here have it before the Tigers

Jumbo Sherman appeared late 1944 but hey you can drive before the Tigers.

And lets not forget the slew of MURICA mid tier monsters like the T29, 30, 32, 34 all with WR above 65% while the battle tested and proven Tigers are made to be target practice by MURICA bias while there players shout Git Gud.

Tell you what the most Iconic tank of the WWII is made a laughing stock by Gaijin cos of so called balance when in reality nothing could touch it for two years but hey here's an idea.

Why not have a proper realistic mode of battle where MURICA players have to use skill to take a Tiger out like in reality i mean forget the fact that Tigers had a 11-1 kill ratio and one Tiger destroyed 22 T34s in one engagement hell no or the fact 1 Tiger destroyed 12 Sherman's in 30 mins.

Gaijin have made the Tiger a joke of a tank and Germany lacks anything that can contest caps unlike MURICA coz Gaijin gave MURICA all their big guns early coz BALANCE.

YEA, the tiger was made a joke.

Just like how the KV-1 was made a joke, how dare dose it have to fight Panzer IV with the long 75, those fought it only in it's later years, just like T-34 85's with tigers

It fought Pz II/III, but ingame it has to fight, believe it or not, things that actually stand a chance against them, that's not fair because it's not historically accurate.

Plus bow about my KV-220? it was built in 1941, why dose it have to fight Tigers that were built in 1942? it should only fight Pz IV's and stugs.


See how dumb what i said sounds? this is basically what you keep saying, because the KV-1 was just like the tiger when it first came, but do people complain about "muh kv-1 fighting late war tanks"? no they don't cause it's balanced, not on production year but on the tanks performance.

And ow yea, those poor tiger 2's that can only penetrate the T34/30/29 on the mantlet, LFP and mg spot, while they can only do it on the cheeks, how dare do they have to fight them, AND THOSE MEAN T32, HOW DARE DOSE A HEAVY TANK THAT'S A HIGHER BR THAN MY HEAVY TANK PERFORM BETTER IN A HEAD ON FIGHT.

Victim complex much dude?

[Dakota]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Accidentul lui Tata:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Hugh de Salle:

Keep off the Bong Dakota.

MURICA gets all their big guns nice and early like the Sherman 76 came out late 1944 but WT insist you get it in before the Tiger even appears.

British Firefly's appeared in mid 1944 but again WT insists you have it before the Tigers

T-34 85 mm appeared early 1944 but here have it before the Tigers

Jumbo Sherman appeared late 1944 but hey you can drive before the Tigers.

And lets not forget the slew of MURICA mid tier monsters like the T29, 30, 32, 34 all with WR above 65% while the battle tested and proven Tigers are made to be target practice by MURICA bias while there players shout Git Gud.

Tell you what the most Iconic tank of the WWII is made a laughing stock by Gaijin cos of so called balance when in reality nothing could touch it for two years but hey here's an idea.

Why not have a proper realistic mode of battle where MURICA players have to use skill to take a Tiger out like in reality i mean forget the fact that Tigers had a 11-1 kill ratio and one Tiger destroyed 22 T34s in one engagement hell no or the fact 1 Tiger destroyed 12 Sherman's in 30 mins.

Gaijin have made the Tiger a joke of a tank and Germany lacks anything that can contest caps unlike MURICA coz Gaijin gave MURICA all their big guns early coz BALANCE.

YEA, the tiger was made a joke.

Just like how the KV-1 was made a joke, how dare dose it have to fight Panzer IV with the long 75, those fought it only in it's later years, just like T-34 85's with tigers

It fought Pz II/III, but ingame it has to fight, believe it or not, things that actually stand a chance against them, that's not fair because it's not historically accurate.

Plus bow about my KV-220? it was built in 1941, why dose it have to fight Tigers that were built in 1942? it should only fight Pz IV's and stugs.


See how dumb what i said sounds? this is basically what you keep saying, because the KV-1 was just like the tiger when it first came, but do people complain about "muh kv-1 fighting late war tanks"? no they don't cause it's balanced, not on production year but on the tanks performance.

And ow yea, those poor tiger 2's that can only penetrate the T34/30/29 on the mantlet, LFP and mg spot, while they can only do it on the cheeks, how dare do they have to fight them, AND THOSE MEAN T32, HOW DARE DOSE A HEAVY TANK THAT'S A HIGHER BR THAN MY HEAVY TANK PERFORM BETTER IN A HEAD ON FIGHT.

Victim complex much dude?

Thanks for writing up my argument for me.

I'll also add that Germany gets its PZIVs with the long 75s down at 3.3 when the first Sherman appears with its short 75. It takes America all the way to 4.7 to get a competitive gun on its medium tank.

Dude's sitting here complaining about a bunch of medium tanks that he can punch right through all over while they can't even pen his hull if he only angles a bit and have a hard time getting through his patchy turret and a heavy tank that has to load APCR to pen him at all even unangled that are all below his tank in BR because they're not close to the level of performance.


Honestly just go play America if you think its so easy, have fun in your Jumbo or whatever when you face those Tigers and Panthers without it even being a full uptier. Really, go on and grind up the trees.

[Hugh de Salle]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Accidentul lui Tata:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Hugh de Salle:

Keep off the Bong Dakota.

MURICA gets all their big guns nice and early like the Sherman 76 came out late 1944 but WT insist you get it in before the Tiger even appears.

British Firefly's appeared in mid 1944 but again WT insists you have it before the Tigers

T-34 85 mm appeared early 1944 but here have it before the Tigers

Jumbo Sherman appeared late 1944 but hey you can drive before the Tigers.

And lets not forget the slew of MURICA mid tier monsters like the T29, 30, 32, 34 all with WR above 65% while the battle tested and proven Tigers are made to be target practice by MURICA bias while there players shout Git Gud.

Tell you what the most Iconic tank of the WWII is made a laughing stock by Gaijin cos of so called balance when in reality nothing could touch it for two years but hey here's an idea.

Why not have a proper realistic mode of battle where MURICA players have to use skill to take a Tiger out like in reality i mean forget the fact that Tigers had a 11-1 kill ratio and one Tiger destroyed 22 T34s in one engagement hell no or the fact 1 Tiger destroyed 12 Sherman's in 30 mins.

Gaijin have made the Tiger a joke of a tank and Germany lacks anything that can contest caps unlike MURICA coz Gaijin gave MURICA all their big guns early coz BALANCE.

YEA, the tiger was made a joke.

Just like how the KV-1 was made a joke, how dare dose it have to fight Panzer IV with the long 75, those fought it only in it's later years, just like T-34 85's with tigers

It fought Pz II/III, but ingame it has to fight, believe it or not, things that actually stand a chance against them, that's not fair because it's not historically accurate.

Plus bow about my KV-220? it was built in 1941, why dose it have to fight Tigers that were built in 1942? it should only fight Pz IV's and stugs.


See how dumb what i said sounds? this is basically what you keep saying, because the KV-1 was just like the tiger when it first came, but do people complain about "muh kv-1 fighting late war tanks"? no they don't cause it's balanced, not on production year but on the tanks performance.

And ow yea, those poor tiger 2's that can only penetrate the T34/30/29 on the mantlet, LFP and mg spot, while they can only do it on the cheeks, how dare do they have to fight them, AND THOSE MEAN T32, HOW DARE DOSE A HEAVY TANK THAT'S A HIGHER BR THAN MY HEAVY TANK PERFORM BETTER IN A HEAD ON FIGHT.

Victim complex much dude?

Yea you see here's the thing BR is rated on performance and the stats indicate that German tanks are hugely under performing while MURICA tanks are hugely over performing along with the Brits but lets just ignore the 20-25% WR difference between heavy tanks shall we.

Tiger II H 42% WR

Tiger I H 45% WR

Tiger I E 48% WR

Tiger P 42% WR

VK 45.01 51% WR

Pz.Bfw.VI (P) 57% WR

Tiger II (10.5 cm Kw.K) 48% WR



T32 71% WR

T30 64% WR

T26E1-1 64% WR

M4A3E2 (76) W 65% WR same BR as Tiger I H

Cobra King 68% WR

T14 64% WR

T29 67% WR

M6A1 70% WR

And last but not least the only MURICAN heavy below 50% in RB

M103 48% WR

Church VII 71% WR

Conqueror 64% WR

Caernarvon 65% WR

And dont give me its the players fault because same players who play MURICA will also play other nations including Germany.

MURICA is overpowered they even have better K/D ratio in all their heavy's so do me a favour or do me the courtesy of not denying these stats and please don't not say stats meaning nothing crap.

[The Bone Zone]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Hugh de Salle:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Accidentul lui Tata:

YEA, the tiger was made a joke.

Just like how the KV-1 was made a joke, how dare dose it have to fight Panzer IV with the long 75, those fought it only in it's later years, just like T-34 85's with tigers

It fought Pz II/III, but ingame it has to fight, believe it or not, things that actually stand a chance against them, that's not fair because it's not historically accurate.

Plus bow about my KV-220? it was built in 1941, why dose it have to fight Tigers that were built in 1942? it should only fight Pz IV's and stugs.


See how dumb what i said sounds? this is basically what you keep saying, because the KV-1 was just like the tiger when it first came, but do people complain about "muh kv-1 fighting late war tanks"? no they don't cause it's balanced, not on production year but on the tanks performance.

And ow yea, those poor tiger 2's that can only penetrate the T34/30/29 on the mantlet, LFP and mg spot, while they can only do it on the cheeks, how dare do they have to fight them, AND THOSE MEAN T32, HOW DARE DOSE A HEAVY TANK THAT'S A HIGHER BR THAN MY HEAVY TANK PERFORM BETTER IN A HEAD ON FIGHT.

Victim complex much dude?

Yea you see here's the thing BR is rated on performance and the stats indicate that German tanks are hugely under performing while MURICA tanks are hugely over performing along with the Brits but lets just ignore the 20-25% WR difference between heavy tanks shall we.

Tiger II H 42% WR

Tiger I H 45% WR

Tiger I E 48% WR

Tiger P 42% WR

VK 45.01 51% WR

Pz.Bfw.VI (P) 57% WR

Tiger II (10.5 cm Kw.K) 48% WR



T32 71% WR

T30 64% WR

T26E1-1 64% WR

M4A3E2 (76) W 65% WR same BR as Tiger I H

Cobra King 68% WR

T14 64% WR

T29 67% WR

M6A1 70% WR

And last but not least the only MURICAN heavy below 50% in RB

M103 48% WR

Church VII 71% WR

Conqueror 64% WR

Caernarvon 65% WR

And dont give me its the players fault because same players who play MURICA will also play other nations including Germany.

MURICA is overpowered they even have better K/D ratio in all their heavy's so do me a favour or do me the courtesy of not denying these stats and please don't not say stats meaning nothing crap.

Whatever you say Hanz, just try to no take to much wheraboo propaganda at a time.

And also, i can say that, and i will, while playing germany i have seen some of the most braindead teammates, on par with the people playing US planes for that matter
Just like how US air players suck cause they keep listening to that "MUSTANG WON THE WAR, MURICA", and think the planes will club but they don't so do germany mains go to that tree after watching their favorite show on history channel hoping to get the MIGHT UNPENETRABLE TIGER, all i see is a bunch of stats that don't really mean that much.

We could go by stats and talk about Japanese and german planes being the most OP planes in the game but we don't do that, now do we?

[kongol36]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Accidentul lui Tata:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Hugh de Salle:

Yea you see here's the thing BR is rated on performance and the stats indicate that German tanks are hugely under performing while MURICA tanks are hugely over performing along with the Brits but lets just ignore the 20-25% WR difference between heavy tanks shall we.

Tiger II H 42% WR

Tiger I H 45% WR

Tiger I E 48% WR

Tiger P 42% WR

VK 45.01 51% WR

Pz.Bfw.VI (P) 57% WR

Tiger II (10.5 cm Kw.K) 48% WR



T32 71% WR

T30 64% WR

T26E1-1 64% WR

M4A3E2 (76) W 65% WR same BR as Tiger I H

Cobra King 68% WR

T14 64% WR

T29 67% WR

M6A1 70% WR

And last but not least the only MURICAN heavy below 50% in RB

M103 48% WR

Church VII 71% WR

Conqueror 64% WR

Caernarvon 65% WR

And dont give me its the players fault because same players who play MURICA will also play other nations including Germany.

MURICA is overpowered they even have better K/D ratio in all their heavy's so do me a favour or do me the courtesy of not denying these stats and please don't not say stats meaning nothing crap.

Whatever you say Hanz, just try to no take to much wheraboo propaganda at a time.

And also, i can say that, and i will, while playing germany i have seen some of the most braindead teammates, on par with the people playing US planes for that matter
Just like how US air players suck cause they keep listening to that "MUSTANG WON THE WAR, MURICA", and think the planes will club but they don't so do germany mains go to that tree after watching their favorite show on history channel hoping to get the MIGHT UNPENETRABLE TIGER, all i see is a bunch of stats that don't really mean that much.

We could go by stats and talk about Japanese and german planes being the most OP planes in the game but we don't do that, now do we?

LOl typical anifta member claiming theres more than 2 genders.. ITS THE VICTIMS FAULT.. ignoreing its same people most of the time playing the tanks on both sides...

[Sobolewski]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von kongol36:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Accidentul lui Tata:

Whatever you say Hanz, just try to no take to much wheraboo propaganda at a time.

And also, i can say that, and i will, while playing germany i have seen some of the most braindead teammates, on par with the people playing US planes for that matter
Just like how US air players suck cause they keep listening to that "MUSTANG WON THE WAR, MURICA", and think the planes will club but they don't so do germany mains go to that tree after watching their favorite show on history channel hoping to get the MIGHT UNPENETRABLE TIGER, all i see is a bunch of stats that don't really mean that much.

We could go by stats and talk about Japanese and german planes being the most OP planes in the game but we don't do that, now do we?

LOl typical anifta member claiming theres more than 2 genders.. ITS THE VICTIMS FAULT.. ignoreing its same people most of the time playing the tanks on both sides...

Actually you're the typical antifa member that punches the guy with the freedom of speech sign, gets rekt in self defence by said guy, then goes crying to police about it.

Except you go around claiming a right to BR handouts for your precious German tanks using win rates as a substitute for actual arguments, gets shut down hard by people who point out your tanks are already either equal or better than other nation's tanks at the same BR by means of comparison of tank stats like armor, mobility, penetration, reload time, etc and thus the only plausible explanation is lack of skill.

Then, with your butt sore after getting schooled, you go around crying about American bias and start throwing off personal insults.

[Dakota]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von kongol36:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Accidentul lui Tata:

Whatever you say Hanz, just try to no take to much wheraboo propaganda at a time.

And also, i can say that, and i will, while playing germany i have seen some of the most braindead teammates, on par with the people playing US planes for that matter
Just like how US air players suck cause they keep listening to that "MUSTANG WON THE WAR, MURICA", and think the planes will club but they don't so do germany mains go to that tree after watching their favorite show on history channel hoping to get the MIGHT UNPENETRABLE TIGER, all i see is a bunch of stats that don't really mean that much.

We could go by stats and talk about Japanese and german planes being the most OP planes in the game but we don't do that, now do we?

LOl typical anifta member claiming theres more than 2 genders.. ITS THE VICTIMS FAULT.. ignoreing its same people most of the time playing the tanks on both sides...

And yet here we are arguing with a guy who only plays one nation and can only use winrates as an argument without looking at any of the reasons why that data is what it is. Is it that the tanks are worse? No, in many cases they're better. What does this leave as the cause to the effect he complains about then?

[Hugh de Salle]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Dakota:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von kongol36:

LOl typical anifta member claiming theres more than 2 genders.. ITS THE VICTIMS FAULT.. ignoreing its same people most of the time playing the tanks on both sides...

And yet here we are arguing with a guy who only plays one nation and can only use winrates as an argument without looking at any of the reasons why that data is what it is. Is it that the tanks are worse? No, in many cases they're better. What does this leave as the cause to the effect he complains about then?

Ahh the one nation excuse , Of course you know exactly what ive played to be fair i never ask the question of to other people simply because i never judge people.

Ive actually played more than you think i used to squad up with my son who played MURICA and Russia we got quite high in the tech tree until he left home for uni. When i solo i play Germans but haven't had the pleasure of the other nations.

I dont play PS4 now no point and i hated controller so im back on the PC.

So i only judge on Winrates would you also care to check the K/D ratio aswell or would that be rubbing salt in your open wound.

Let me guess what your going to say next that the K/D ratio does not matter aswell?.

[Dakota]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Hugh de Salle:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Dakota:

And yet here we are arguing with a guy who only plays one nation and can only use winrates as an argument without looking at any of the reasons why that data is what it is. Is it that the tanks are worse? No, in many cases they're better. What does this leave as the cause to the effect he complains about then?

Ahh the one nation excuse , Of course you know exactly what ive played to be fair i never ask the question of to other people simply because i never judge people.

Ive actually played more than you think i used to squad up with my son who played MURICA and Russia we got quite high in the tech tree until he left home for uni. When i solo i play Germans but haven't had the pleasure of the other nations.

I dont play PS4 now no point and i hated controller so im back on the PC.

So i only judge on Winrates would you also care to check the K/D ratio aswell or would that be rubbing salt in your open wound.

Let me guess what your going to say next that the K/D ratio does not matter aswell?.

I'd say KD is more important than winrates when talking about a vehicle's performance since winrate relies on more external measures such as lineups, etc.

So for some clarification here, when you say you used to squad up with him, were you playing America and Russia yourself or also in Germany there? Is all this talk of Arcade mode or are you in RB commonly?

[Liquidator]

T34, T30, T29 are incredibly OP and deserve atleast a 7, while M46 deserve a 6.7. The americans can easily match germans with their tiny op tanks of M50 etc. Germans can barely ever kill T34, T30, T29 with their 6.7 tanks.