Tiger H1 at 5.3 JadTiger at 6.7

[RetroRun]

source: https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/456417-planned-economy-modification-costs-and-br-changes-july-2019/

Rejoice Wheraboos

UPDATE:

Tiger Camo is being put at 5.3

[Ragnarok]

引用自 kamikazi21358：

引用自 Barneys Had Enough Of You.：

I mean across the board. T32 has a 70% winrate... and thats a little concerning. I didn't think the tank was THAT good but if its performing liek that, it must be.

It’s going to 7.3 and the E is going to 7.7. Though I don’t think they’ll be good there, the E expecially has nothing at 7.7. BR decompression would fix this better.

Oh I agree. Both of the tanks would not do very well going up. Well the t32 might but the e1's gun would not handle 7.7 very well.

[kamikazi21358]

引用自 Barneys Had Enough Of You.：

引用自 kamikazi21358：

It’s going to 7.3 and the E is going to 7.7. Though I don’t think they’ll be good there, the E expecially has nothing at 7.7. BR decompression would fix this better.

Oh I agree. Both of the tanks would not do very well going up. Well the t32 might but the e1's gun would not handle 7.7 very well.

The T32 is really good at 7.0.

The T32 might be 7.3 material.

But the T32E is defiantly not 7.7 material I believe.

This logically places both T32 and T32E at 7.3.

Catch: T32E is better than the T32 at the same BR.
Both T32s will be constantly uptiered to 7.7 most likely, where they probably can compete, but 7.3 downtiers would be very rare.
They can be uptiered to face 8.3 tanks with APFSDS, 100-240+ mm of armour, 580+ HP engines, and more.

Basically this is a good BR compression example.

[NAF-5th.Legion-Waffen.Div]

引用自 Hugh de Salle：

引用自 NAF-5th.Legion-Waffen.Div：

so! how many of you have actually played the TigerH1 in RB??

I bet they have played it and didn't like the fact that the weak-spots are so glaring that any decent player has a whole host to chose from.

wrong, most of them have never played it.

[kamikazi21358]

引用自 Mirage：

引用自 The Wiggly Armed Man：

Heavy Tank No.6, despite having much fewer battles than the Tiger H1 and E, has a winrate taht +10~ higher with a higher K/DR. Seeing as its a Tiger E with the firepower of an H1, I don't think its lower battle count can explain its radically different performance other than people, such as you, trying to play the Tiger as if it is invincible.

Tiger No6 plays alongside the Allies and often gets more favorable BR games from my experience, might also help that Axis is less prepared to deal with other Tigers as the Allies are.

I get plenty of 6.3 and 6.7 games in the No.6. However, I don’t think that is relevant at all. Because the 5.7 games I get can often be 3, 4, 8 kill games (actually I think the 8 kill game was 6.3). I think this is a more accurate representation of the Tiger E’s capabilities, because usually the people who buy the 6 bought it because they loved the German one and wanted to grind Japan with it.

[Liquidator]

American T34,T30,T29 should be upped to atleast a 7, and M46 should be brought down to 6.7. I won't exaggerate if I say I barely ever get to kill T34 or T29 because of how resistant they are to german 6.7 and below tanks, while on the other hand, I easily kill M46 all the times.

[Intrspace]

引用自 Mirage：

引用自 The Wiggly Armed Man：

Heavy Tank No.6, despite having much fewer battles than the Tiger H1 and E, has a winrate taht +10~ higher with a higher K/DR. Seeing as its a Tiger E with the firepower of an H1, I don't think its lower battle count can explain its radically different performance other than people, such as you, trying to play the Tiger as if it is invincible.

Tiger No6 plays alongside the Allies and often gets more favorable BR games from my experience, might also help that Axis is less prepared to deal with other Tigers as the Allies are.

lol so the Allies are more prepared to deal with Tigers? With their 76mm Shermans at 4.7 - 5.3 and only *two* 90mm guns at 5.7?
Germany has the Jagdpanzer 4/70, two Tigers and two Panthers and a bunch of SPGs :)

引用自 Liquidator：

American T34,T30,T29 should be upped to atleast a 7, and M46 should be brought down to 6.7. I won't exaggerate if I say I barely ever get to kill T34 or T29 because of how resistant they are to german 6.7 and below tanks, while on the other hand, I easily kill M46 all the times.

So everything you can't oneshot should go up in BR? ok

[kamikazi21358]

引用自 Mirage：

Premium vehicles always, or atleast almost always, outperform their tech tree counterpart at the end of the day, I also don't think it's very worthwhile to differentiate between the H1 and the Tiger E variants.

Yeah, and that’s wrong.
Also the E does have a noticeable difference over the H1, so there should be a differentiation.

引用自 Mirage：

Main problem the Tiger faces is that as Germany it lacks a team with variety, and gets forced into urban environments, capping flags and pushing the frontline because no one else will, where it's completely out of it's element.

I agree, but that should be solved by changing the maps, especially in Realistic and Simulator Battles, and not by BR.

引用自 Mirage：

The No6 doesn't have this problem when surrounded by Allied vehicles that are a lot better at it, and it allows players to play the tank to it's abilties more I believe.

It is not always surrounded by allied vehicles, I feel like there is some myth that American vehicles in the French tree always fight with the axis, Japanese vehicles always fight with the allies, etc. Over half my battles in the Heavy Tank No.6 are on the Axis team, with Germany and sometimes Italy. It’s a nearly-equal Tiger E, the difference isn’t always what team it fights on, sometimes but not always, but rather just not having as many backup tanks (Japan: Tiger + Sherman (5.7 and 5.3); Germany: Tiger E, Tiger H1, Panther D, Panther A, Tiger P, Furry Tiger, VFW, Nashorn, Sturer Emil, VK lot’so’numbers, etc.).

[Hugh de Salle]

引用自 Mirage：

引用自 Intrspace：

lol so the Allies are more prepared to deal with Tigers? With their 76mm Shermans at 4.7 - 5.3 and only *two* 90mm guns at 5.7?
Germany has the Jagdpanzer 4/70, two Tigers and two Panthers and a bunch of SPGs :)

They are more prepared because they always face Tigers. Someone who plays Germany never faces a Tiger, and many might know how to defend themselves in a Tiger, but not how to kill one.

引用自 kamikazi21358：

I get plenty of 6.3 and 6.7 games in the No.6. However, I don’t think that is relevant at all. Because the 5.7 games I get can often be 3, 4, 8 kill games (actually I think the 8 kill game was 6.3). I think this is a more accurate representation of the Tiger E’s capabilities, because usually the people who buy the 6 bought it because they loved the German one and wanted to grind Japan with it.

Premium vehicles always, or atleast almost always, outperform their tech tree counterpart at the end of the day, I also don't think it's very worthwhile to differentiate between the H1 and the Tiger E variants.

Main problem the Tiger faces is that as Germany it lacks a team with variety, and gets forced into urban environments, capping flags and pushing the frontline because no one else will, where it's completely out of it's element.

The No6 doesn't have this problem when surrounded by Allied vehicles that are a lot better at it, and it allows players to play the tank to it's abilties more I believe.

Ive said this all along The tiger capping is like ringing the dinner bell its too big and has horrid turret traverse in urban areas where it really counts and boy can tanks exploit that on your sides KABOOM.

Trying to hold down a street is really hard that 100mm frontal armour even angled just shoot the hatch or in most cases the mantle or gun even worse in the Pz VI P.

In reality the Germans lack a good all round tank that can fight in urban areas too many people sit and snipe with the Tiger and i dont blame them its what tank is good at but that leaves a gaping lack of people in a team to cap imho.

[kamikazi21358]

引用自 Mirage：

引用自 kamikazi21358：

Yeah, and that’s wrong.
Also the E does have a noticeable difference over the H1, so there should be a differentiation.

Panzer IV J > Panzer IV H : 4mm side RHA, electric turret drive.
0.3 difference.

Tiger H1 > Tiger E : 22.5mm frontal lower plate RHAe armour, 650 to 700 HP engine without weight increase, minor turret rotation increase, and APCR + AA MG.

引用自 Mirage：

And yeah, but Gaijin doesn't change anything like that, we've been playing the same modes for half a decade if not longer and there's been zero innovation.
We've actually stepped back, as at one point we'd have a dynamic capture zone and AI tanks in the battlefield and now we don't.. so changing BR is what we get.
German tanks itself aren't bad tanks as far as PvP goes, they're bad at how the game is played.

Then let’s continue to complain and suggest better-ing the maps and gamemodes, like plenty of people are still doing on the official forums.

引用自 Mirage：

I feel matchmaking is heavily affected by the region you play in, US players see a lot more Ger + RU, as where EU players barely see Germany matched with RU.
Japan for me tends to always be alongside US, which is where it fits a lot better.. when it plays along Germany it doesn't compliment them at all when it's just another Tiger.

Perhaps. I play mostly on the US server, but sometimes US + EU, so Inam just mentioning my experience. Japan usually gets matched with the Axis still a little over half the time from my experience.

[Intrspace]

引用自 Mirage：

I feel matchmaking is heavily affected by the region you play in, US players see a lot more Ger + RU, as where EU players barely see Germany matched with RU.
Japan for me tends to always be alongside US, which is where it fits a lot better.. when it plays along Germany it doesn't compliment them at all when it's just another Tiger.

That's just false. I played on the EU and RU servers, and the Ger + USSR + France + Italy cancer was my bread and butter. Especially on patch 1.87, where it happened like 95% of the time. On 1.89, US + USSR seems to be somewhat less rare for some reason

[Sobolewski]

引用自 Intrspace：

引用自 Mirage：

I feel matchmaking is heavily affected by the region you play in, US players see a lot more Ger + RU, as where EU players barely see Germany matched with RU.
Japan for me tends to always be alongside US, which is where it fits a lot better.. when it plays along Germany it doesn't compliment them at all when it's just another Tiger.

That's just false. I played on the EU and RU servers, and the Ger + USSR + France + Italy cancer was my bread and butter. Especially on patch 1.87, where it happened like 95% of the time. On 1.89, US + USSR seems to be somewhat less rare for some reason

Oh, the cancer. I can feel it. Italy rushs the caps in AUBLs and Fiat 6114s and then get to some obnoxious corner-camping spots as a first line of defence, or just go around gokarting your flanks.

Then Russia comes in with T-44s, and IS-2s, pushing up aggressively. France and Germany go right behind in their sniper tanks, picking off flankers and high priority targets. You're basically 100% shut down before even reaching a cap.

[Col. Cornbread]

引用自 Intrspace：

lol so the Allies are more prepared to deal with Tigers? With their 76mm Shermans at 4.7 - 5.3 and only *two* 90mm guns at 5.7?
Germany has the Jagdpanzer 4/70, two Tigers and two Panthers and a bunch of SPGs :)

US 5.3 is Murdering German 4.3-6.3 atm.... They have a near 70% win rate for most of the vehicles, ~2 K/d with the M18s, a near 3 K/D for the M4A3 76 HVSS and a 3.+ K/D for the T20

The idea that this BR is bad for US is retarded when it usually sweeps the Germans because nearly all the maps at that BR are Brawling which is the US does a lot better then the Germans.

I run this BR all the time and the panthers and Tiger 1s just Fall to the 76mm because they rarely get maps where they can use their range to their advantage.

[Lokkemad]

With the amount of vehicles with insanely good heat at 6.7 I dont see it being too much of an issue.

[Shōgun - Usami Fuji]

i think all the tiger 1 aka E should be 5.3 too

[Intrspace]

引用自 SS PanzerDivision：

i think all the tiger 1 aka E should be 5.3 too

Sure. Right after the M26 is sent to 5.7 and the T25 and M36 to 5.3 x)