Tiger H1

[Vamilad]

Why is this tank 5.7 when the armor is only 100mm

EDIT: https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/456417-planned-economy-modification-costs-and-br-changes-july-2019/

[The Wiggly Armed Man]

引用自 Vamilad：

引用自 The Wiggly Armed Man：

But it's a medium tank, it should be downtiered cuz it can't go faster than a heavy so it isn't underpowered.

It's a medium tank at an entirely different BR

So are the tanks that the Tiger has trouble penetrating but here you are complaining about that.

[Vamilad]

引用自 The Wiggly Armed Man：

引用自 Vamilad：

It's a medium tank at an entirely different BR

So are the tanks that the Tiger has trouble penetrating but here you are complaining about that.

??? The Higher BR Tanks are exactly why the Tiger H1 should be lowered to 5.3 so it can't fight those tanks

[The Wiggly Armed Man]

引用自 Vamilad：

引用自 The Wiggly Armed Man：

So are the tanks that the Tiger has trouble penetrating but here you are complaining about that.

??? The Higher BR Tanks are exactly why the Tiger H1 should be lowered to 5.3 so it can't fight those tanks

It would have to be 5.0 to not fight those tanks and it's already a monster in a downtier at 5.7.

[Vamilad]

引用自 The Wiggly Armed Man：

引用自 Vamilad：

??? The Higher BR Tanks are exactly why the Tiger H1 should be lowered to 5.3 so it can't fight those tanks

It would have to be 5.0 to not fight those tanks and it's already a monster in a downtier at 5.7.

I don't want it to be 5.0 I want 5.3

Do you even play the tank? You think 5.7 is a downtier for it? You obviously don't

[The Wiggly Armed Man]

引用自 Vamilad：

引用自 The Wiggly Armed Man：

It would have to be 5.0 to not fight those tanks and it's already a monster in a downtier at 5.7.

I don't want it to be 5.0 I want 5.3

Do you even play the tank? You think 5.7 is a downtier for it? You obviously don't

No, I think 4.7 is a downtier for it and it absolutely rules there. Similarly, it doesn't rule in an uptier because it's an uptier. It's required to flank or actually aim at these enemy heavy tanks because they are a literal full BR above it. There is nothing wrong with that and it affects every tank or nation, and despite your claim that 'hurdur its a heavy tonk it cant flank' it is probably the most agile heavy tank in the game and I dare say even more agile than a Sherman. While I haven't had any experience with the Tiger H1 itself, I have had plenty of experience with the Heavy Tank No.6 that has an identical firepower to the H1 and it does fine. The only reason it doesn't do fine for you is because, again, you refuse to actually play the tank.

[Vamilad]

引用自 The Wiggly Armed Man：

引用自 Vamilad：

I don't want it to be 5.0 I want 5.3

Do you even play the tank? You think 5.7 is a downtier for it? You obviously don't

No, I think 4.7 is a downtier for it and it absolutely rules there. Similarly, it doesn't rule in an uptier because it's an uptier. It's required to flank or actually aim at these enemy heavy tanks because they are a literal full BR above it. There is nothing wrong with that and it affects every tank or nation, and despite your claim that 'hurdur its a heavy tonk it cant flank' it is probably the most agile heavy tank in the game and I dare say even more agile than a Sherman. While I haven't had any experience with the Tiger H1 itself, I have had plenty of experience with the Heavy Tank No.6 that has an identical firepower to the H1 and it does fine. The only reason it doesn't do fine for you is because, again, you refuse to actually play the tank.

"4.7" 1/100 games are a down tier

[The Wiggly Armed Man]

引用自 Vamilad：

引用自 The Wiggly Armed Man：

No, I think 4.7 is a downtier for it and it absolutely rules there. Similarly, it doesn't rule in an uptier because it's an uptier. It's required to flank or actually aim at these enemy heavy tanks because they are a literal full BR above it. There is nothing wrong with that and it affects every tank or nation, and despite your claim that 'hurdur its a heavy tonk it cant flank' it is probably the most agile heavy tank in the game and I dare say even more agile than a Sherman. While I haven't had any experience with the Tiger H1 itself, I have had plenty of experience with the Heavy Tank No.6 that has an identical firepower to the H1 and it does fine. The only reason it doesn't do fine for you is because, again, you refuse to actually play the tank.

"4.7" 1/100 games are a down tier

Do you have anything to back that up?

[Vamilad]

引用自 The Wiggly Armed Man：

引用自 Vamilad：

"4.7" 1/100 games are a down tier

Do you have anything to back that up?

Do you play this game?

[The Wiggly Armed Man]

引用自 Vamilad：

引用自 The Wiggly Armed Man：

Do you have anything to back that up?

Do you play this game?

Yes, I have an even amount of uptiers and downtiers from my personal experience.

[Vamilad]

引用自 The Wiggly Armed Man：

引用自 Vamilad：

Do you play this game?

Yes, I have an even amount of uptiers and downtiers from my personal experience.

What faction what BR are your tanks?

[The Wiggly Armed Man]

引用自 Vamilad：

引用自 The Wiggly Armed Man：

Yes, I have an even amount of uptiers and downtiers from my personal experience.

What faction what BR are your tanks?

Recently it's been 6.3 with the ST-A1 (6.3), the ST-A2 (6.3), the Ho-Ri Prototype (6.0), the Ki-61-I otsu (3.0), and the D4Y2 (2.7).

[Mods]

引用自 Vamilad：

引用自 Mods_o_joy：

See above
and all tanks suffer in an uptier, BR Decompression would fix this, moving it anywhere would break game balance.

I don't understand how moving the Tiger H1 to 5.3 would break anything considering every single faction has multiple tanks with at least 140mm armor pen at that point

because it would break 4.0-5.0, Short 75 cannot pen the Tiger H1 except with APCR, literally 'muh invincible tiger', accept the fact that you need to aim instead of waving a long 88 in the general postal code to kill something like the rest of the german tree past 5.0-6.0.

[Vamilad]

引用自 Mods_o_joy：

引用自 Vamilad：

I don't understand how moving the Tiger H1 to 5.3 would break anything considering every single faction has multiple tanks with at least 140mm armor pen at that point

because it would break 4.0-5.0, Short 75 cannot pen the Tiger H1 except with APCR, literally 'muh invincible tiger', accept the fact that you need to aim instead of waving a long 88 in the general postal code to kill something like the rest of the german tree past 5.0-6.0.

There's no American 4.3 other than the M6A1 which has a 76mm iirc

[Mods]

引用自 Vamilad：

引用自 Mods_o_joy：

because it would break 4.0-5.0, Short 75 cannot pen the Tiger H1 except with APCR, literally 'muh invincible tiger', accept the fact that you need to aim instead of waving a long 88 in the general postal code to kill something like the rest of the german tree past 5.0-6.0.

There's no American 4.3 other than the M6A1 which has a 76mm iirc

and the tiger I can pen the M6A1 everywhere on the front. quit aiming for the most angled spot as bounce mechanics are still broken as they've always been. everything else has a short 75 except for the oddball Long 76 bois which are literal paper and cant pen you if you angle. quit getting close enough for it to matter as they only have 145mm of pen at absolute point blank rang with a pretty aggressive falloff.

[Vamilad]

引用自 Mods_o_joy：

引用自 Vamilad：

There's no American 4.3 other than the M6A1 which has a 76mm iirc

and the tiger I can pen the M6A1 everywhere on the front. quit aiming for the most angled spot as bounce mechanics are still broken as they've always been. everything else has a short 75 except for the oddball Long 76 bois which are literal paper and cant pen you if you angle. quit getting close enough for it to matter as they only have 145mm of pen at absolute point blank rang with a pretty aggressive falloff.

Have you read anything in this thread? I'm not even going to bother