pros and cons of each nation ?

[JOHNNY]

EX WOT Player here .

hi

[RC-1207]

Ex WOT player here too at lower tiers its better to go either russian or german becayse the russians have good armour and the germans have the best guns americans get really good later on at 5.0 br

[Shard]

Oprindeligt skrevet af un.Casual:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Shard:

And British tanks and US tanks have weak hull armor unlike KTH hull which is resistant to 105mm APDS, not to mention you have that big ass mantlet that even modern 120mm apfsds rounds struggle to penetrate.

HAHAHA dude that's a lie my shells ricochet on t29 side on and the king tiger mantlet does nothing except catch more shells

You sound uneducated my man. Judging from your posts you probably didnt even played other nations.

Here's a tip, please grind the other nations and compare your experience with each one before making a judgement.

[Damian030303]

German vehicles are really good overall, specially their cannons.

[The Bone Zone]

Oprindeligt skrevet af DUCKI:

how about planes ?

now i am aiming for mitsubishi t2

US
Pros:
- 50. cals
- Good dive speeds and speed retantion
- Good high altitude performance
- Good CAS options
Cons:
- awful climb rates
- 50. cals can be bipolar sometimes
- not so good performance at low altitudes
- Most planes handle like tanks
- Loose a lot of speed in turns
- Lack of climb rates result in you rarely having an advantage over the enemy and not being to META friendly

Germany
Pros:
- Memenschose
- Good climb rates
- META AS ♥♥♥♥
- Good cannon CAS options
- Somehow they get the best Sabers.
- Bf 109's don't compress even when they should
- Good dive sppeds and speed retantion
Cons:
- idk, they don't have that many bomb CAS options i guess?

UK
Pros:
- Good climb rates
- Good turn rates
- Decent CAS options
Cons:
- Hispanos mk II
- Some planes ain't that good in vertical maneuvers

Russia
Pros:
- Best performance at low altitudes(not really the best thing)
- The IL-2 1942 is stupidly underrated
- 23mm are really good
Cons:
- Most planes use Shparks cannons tho
- Small amount of weapons and ammo on planes( 1 cannon and at most 2 mg's with 120-200 rounds each
- Dreadful performance at high altitudes
- Most planes are pretty fragile

Japane
Pros:
- Best turn fighters in the game
- J2M's are stupidly op( over 90% winrates lmao)
- Some of the best climb rates
- Again META AS ♥♥♥♥
- have planes fitting almost any roll you'll need
Cons:
- 20mm are pretty bad
- Fires will kill you every time
- You are probably to poor to play them
- Rice paper planes

Italy
Pros:
- Memenschose
- Most planes play the same so you don't have to learn to many play styles
- Good climb rates
- Good turn rates
- ALSO META AS ♥♥♥♥
- G.91 is a thing
Cons:
- The machias are bricks at low speeds
- Most planes don't have a line up
- The bombers have pretty poor defensive armament

France
Pros:
- 2 Tonnes of explosive mass at 1.3 lmao
- They have US planes in the main tree???
- I think the jets are pretty ok
Cons:
- Most early domestic models ain't that good
- No real line ups

[NAF-5th.Legion-Waffen.Div]

one very seldom mantioned PRO for the germans are their optics, much higher magnification levels than other nation in general.

[Waldkauz24]

Oprindeligt skrevet af NAF-5th.Legion-Waffen.Div:

one very seldom mantioned PRO for the germans are their optics, much higher magnification levels than other nation in general.

True. Also a con of german tank destroyers is that a lot of them have no turret, so fighting at city maps and those over rocky maps with a lot of corners are not a fun to play and a decent amout of their tank destroyers have a open top, a slow to average speed and no AA-MG so easy prey for fighters and arty.

[Ragnarok]

I'll talk about heavy, mediums and TD"s for each nation

USA:
Mediums: Generally they are not very quick, but decent mobility. Their guns, are really good against the germans, but may struggle against the soviets. Not all mediumsa re the same but in general, until you get the 76 shermans, thisi s true. 76 shermans are very good with high pen APHE and wont struggle to pen things around their BR. 5.7? Easy peasy.

Heavy tanks: USA heavy tanks dont really happen until 6.3 but 6.7 is where they shine. They have VERY good armor with most of it on the turret, so you can hide the hull. Even their hull can bounce some shells, as long as you dont get hit in the LFP or the MG port. T32 improves on this design with more armor on the hull and turret while the e1 is even BETTER. E1 is a tough nut to crack. M103 at 7.7 carries powerful guns, extremely good armor though dont know much about the mobility. Just what happens when I fight them. T29, T30, T34 heavy tanks all have amazing guns, but two of those are premiums so cant really include them. T34 is much better than the King Tiger H, but hte 10.5 is superior, though you'll still easily kill it justt be warned. It can kill you just as easy.

TD's. You get the hellcat. Nuff said. :D

Germany:

German mediums are, imo, the best in the game. You have DECENT armor but their firepower is top notch. High pen guns, good APHE quality, and good mobility. Panther imo is superior to the Tiger E/H1. You cant go wrong with german mediums

Heavy tanks. Its hit or kiss. Imo, The Tiger E sucks. Its armor is horrid and most things wont struggle to kill you because your turret is your weakest link. Thats just my opinion. In general, Heavy t anks for germany are heavy armor on the hull but weak turrets, and good firepower. You get good pen especially at 6.3-6.7 with the Tiger 2 tanks. Their turrets are pretty much paper to anyone who can aim properly, as if you have around 200 pen, you'll pen the front like butter and usually its a ammo detonation if you shoot in the lower right((Your right or his left)). They have very good hull armor though which not many things even in an uptier can pen, though some can.

Tank Destroyers. Probably the best in the game as well. They usually have good armor, good mobility and great firepower. Theres two different TD trees so listen up. You have the unarmored tree that carries usually better firepower for its BR compared to the armored tree. You get the Tiger 2 gun which is a 6.3 at 5.3 with the nashhorn. At 5.7, you get it on two different turreted platforms so you have extremely good firepower for its BR. However, you don't have any armor and .50 cals will pen it and kill it. Planes are your bane.

Then you have the armored version. These are generally, imo, more mobile than the unarmored version as well as still carrying good firepower. They dont carry better firepower than their contemporarys though. You get the Jagdtiger at 6.3, which has the same gun as the King Tiger at 6.3 but its very mobile and good armor though its nothing fantastic. Its also a beautiful machine.

Soviets:

Mediums... I dont really have much to say. Their armor is trollish and they usually have good cannons and their mobility is nothing to laugh at.

Heavy tanks: Now here is where they really shine. Generally, they carry the strongest cannons in the game for their tanks with more TNT per shell. Each BR is different for their tanks, but at 5.7 you have the best heavy tank in the game, imo, with the Is-2. You have a 198MM pen gun vs a Tigers... I think 140 with 2-6x the TNT in it, so you'll one shot almost every time and you'll pretty much pen every time regardless of what the Tiger does. At 6.3, they have lower pen than the Tiger 2 since they have hte same gun as the 5.6 Is-2. 7.3, they get the Is-3 which is an amazing tank. If you are facing kenetic rounds((Not heat)) you'll bounce quite a bit and the cannon gets a pen upgrade that is equievalant in pen to the Tiger 2, but again, you dont need high pen if you aim right. They are also very mobile, especially in reverse.

Tank Destroyers: Honestly, just avoid russian TD's. I wont get into it cause it'll just be a rant.

British:

Mediums: Generally, these mediums have much better pen than their allies or enemies, though this is really only true imo, at 4.7 when you get the firefly. You get 180+ Mm of pen((I think its 198...?)) at 4.7... 4.7. Its :O :O :O :O :O. its amazing. I love the Firefly. And the trend continues. You have muhc better pen than allies or enemies as this nation, regardless of what tank you play really. Heavy, medium, TD.

Heavys: Their armor is decent, though get really good at 7.3 with the conq. They have good cannons with no APHE but they have still good shrapnel, though not best in game. I love their tanks honestly. They are pretty mobile too. I dont hahve much to say a bout them, but british tanks is one of my favorite nations to play.

TD's. Their TD's can be lack luster imo, except for a singular gem, being the FV4005 code named. DEATH STAR. This thing is a monster. You have a 183MM cannon firing HESH.... basically, nothing will survive. Just... get it. Its worth it. Its delicious.

I wont get into the other nations in depth, but ill tell you about Japan and France.

Japan has better TNT than the Germans while retaining similar pen of their mediums. Usually goood armor on their TD's. No heavy tanks except for a premium. Good aircraft though.

I will say their mediums are really good imo. At 6.3, you have a 7.0 heat round that is akin to the Patton from america at 7.0. 6.7 is 7.3 patton.

French, dont really get amazing until 6.3 when you get the CA loraine and the AMX 13t I think it is. Then you get 7.3 with the Foch and hte Lorraine. AMAZING auto loaders. French AP rounds have really good shrapenel. best in game imo.

[Ragnarok]

Aircraft? I dont relaly play too much aircraft but heres my experience.


USA:

.50 cals are amazing. Equivalant to 20MM german cannons but you have ALOT more .50's than they have 20's so you generally have much better chances of killing planes than they do. Cannons like to spark alot for me.

Germany:

30MM cannons are absolutely devestating and you can get them pretty early on. 3.7 twin engine has them and its absolutely the best in the game. its by far my favoriet plane to fly. Its the BF 110 G2. Hands down my favorite plane to fly in Air RB and thats after me saying that .50 cals are better than German 20's.

British: Hispanos. Icky. No thanks.

[VallunsteiN]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Accidentul lui Tata:

I'm gonna assume you talk about tanks so here it what i think it all goes
US
Pros:
- Have tanks that can fill almost any roll
- Good gun depression on almost all tanks
- So i heard you like 50. cals, so we put a 50. cal on your 50. cal so you can shoot 50. cals while you shoot 50. cals
- Hellcat and Super hellcat are a thing
- You miss your first shot most of the times? don't worry the M50 Ontos has your back
- AIDSDATS
Cons:
- Poor AA vehicles until late game
- Their Medium are out gunned, out armored or have worse mobility than their counterparts at the same br, and most of the times you get 2 of these problems so you have to stick to a specific playstile
- Those huge ass cupolas were a mistake
- The good rounds are most of the times a V tier modification

Germany
Pros:
- Have some of the best penetration till 9.7-10.0
- Some of the best AA in the game
- Good reload rates
Cons:
- Most of the early game and late game stuff are glass cannons, they only have good armor at mid game
- Slow heavy tanks compared to the other nations

Russia
Pros:
- Blunt noes shells(APHEBC
- High he filler results to mostly one shots
- Good mobility on their medium tanks
- Most heavy tanks have really good protection against conventional rounds
- Fuel tanks act as extra armor
Cons:
- The entire TD line
- Almost no Gun depression
- Long reload times for their more powerful cannons
- Seriously, most tank destroyers suck ♥♥♥♥

UK
Pros:
- High penetration throughout the game
- Good mobility on early game mediums and anything with a cromwell chassis
- Have access to the biggest ♥♥♥♥ OFF gun in the game
- Good gun depression on almost all tanks
- Stabilizers from 6.7
Cons:
- ♥♥♥♥♥♥ LFP armor
- Mediocre mobility for most mid-late game stuff
- No APHE
- APDS dose little to no dmg
- No Heat-fs
- ♥♥♥♥ the striker

Japan
Pros:
- Access to good heat-fs pretty early
- Good gun depression on almost all tanks
- The Ho-Ri production is pretty much a better Ferdinand
- Stabilizer + Heat-fs at 7.7
Cons:
- Painfull early game grind
- Bad tank platforms for the good heat-fs they get
- Type 60 ATM can go suck a ♥♥♥♥
- Most good tanks don't have a line up

Italy
Pros:
- FAST AS ♥♥♥♥ BOY
- Probably the best AA till 8.0 in the game
- Hesh Go-Karts
- Best APDS-FS shell in the game
- OTOMAGIC
Cons:
- As japan most of the good ♥♥♥♥ doesn't have a line up
- The ♥♥♥♥ do you mean armor?
- Seriously why is the M26A1 6.7?
- Hope you like getting strafed by planes

France
Pros:
- Fastest mediums in the game
- Probably highest penetration till endgame excluding early game
- Auto-loading 120mm
- Stock Heat and Heat-fs shells
Cons:
- You are probably to poor to play them
- Ok you guys keep talking about that "armor" stuff but i don't get it
- From 7.7 to 9.7 they only have two tanks with stabilizers and one is premium
- The AMX-13 HOT can't be balanced so it will suck forever
- The Reserve tanks are literally the biggest pile of ♥♥♥♥ on this earth
- No APHE

Pretty much,this fellow summed it up pretty well.
I'd like to add to the USSR cons:Stalinium and also the Magic Hand of Stalin that guides a lot of Your shells.

[The Wiggly Armed Man]

Japan has a really rocky start but in the end they're a very rewarding nation, especially once you get the Chi-Ha Kai, the Chi-To, and of course the legendary thicc boi Ho-Ro.

[-NODER-_Novastorm_]

every nation has ups and downs, all of them have interesting veicules.
My advice to you is to play all of them, as many of we did, grinded multiple nations up to the top.

[un.Casual]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Shard:

Oprindeligt skrevet af un.Casual:

HAHAHA dude that's a lie my shells ricochet on t29 side on and the king tiger mantlet does nothing except catch more shells

You sound uneducated my man. Judging from your posts you probably didnt even played other nations.

Here's a tip, please grind the other nations and compare your experience with each one before making a judgement.

I get about 5 kills a match playing America and Russia 4.0

[Scheneighnay]

For tanks only?

US
Pros:
-Very few niche vehicles, they're almost all good in any situation
-Practically everything has a top-mounted .50 cal that's good for pilot-sniping or badly damaging the engines on incoming aircraft
-Excellent gun depression and a good armor layout makes them great if played smart- Shermans especially. I had an M4A2 constantly bouncing shells from a German-captured Churchill just by driving slightly uphill to present the Churchill with an extremely steep angle of armor (that I could still fire from)
-.50s are great against lightly-armored vehicles, and even early-game medium tanks
-Good ammo options
-an incredibly OP 37mm that can pen tigers which you have access to from day 1 for some reason

Cons:
-the 75mm gets milked for all it's worth, so it gradually gets less effective as the many tiers it's in progress
-AA halftracks offer poor mobility for SPAAGs
-Terrible teammates- US mains in general are probably the dumbest players in the game.


Germany
Pros:
-Good guns for the entire game
-Versatile and effective AA options
-Spaced armor to protect against HEAT

Cons:
-Poor armor in most cases

Russia
Pros:
-Good armor
-Hard-hitting guns
-Generally very fast

Cons:
-Awkward shapes and poor gun depression make them the opposite of US tanks: you can't really play smart with them
-Long reloads

Britain
Pros:
-Good armor on Infantry tanks
-Cavalry tanks are fast
-Tons of penetration
-Fast reloads

Cons:
-Infantry tanks are slow as hell
-All reverse speeds are abysmal, have fun getting stuck
-Lack of filler means penetrations are less likely to be kill shots
-Ultra niche

Japan
Pros:
-Good guns with hard-hitting ammo
-Disproportionately-thick frontal armor means you'll do very well hull-down
-Good gun depression
-Some top-mounted HMGs

Cons:
-Disproportionately-thick frontal armor means paper mache armor everywhere else
-Typically pretty slow

Italy
Pros:
-Fast and climb hills well
-Very hard-hitting ammo
-Tons of armor behind the cannon

Cons:
-Practically no armor anywhere else
-Shells have a hard time penetrating

France:
Pros:
-See Britain
-They get access to a bunch of solid American vehicles with a chance of not getting the terrible teammates that are US mains

Cons:
-See Britain

haven't played too far into the French tree yet, currently ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ around with boats

[Scheneighnay]

Oprindeligt skrevet af VallunsteiN:

Pretty much,this fellow summed it up pretty well.
I'd like to add to the USSR cons:Stalinium and also the Magic Hand of Stalin that guides a lot of Your shells.

Yeah, KVs especially tend to have magic armor where by all known stats you should easily be able to pen them, but you'll still constantly nonpen.

[Damian030303]

From my experience:


USA

Tanks

Pros:
Good low tier stuff
Mostly uiversal
Some good cannons and ammo (mostly at low tier)
Heavy Mgs on top of most tanks


Cons:
Not best armor
Some weird shapes
Masters of none

Planes

Pros:
Lost of ammo
Good top speed
Good as CAS

Cons:
Mostly machineguns instead of cannons (takes on average longer to kill someone)
Fat and unmanouverable


Germany (My personal favourite nation in the game)

Tanks

Pros:
Really good cannons
Really good, hard hitting stock shells (for free)
Good armor
Good gun depression

Cons:
Bad ammo stowage in some tanks
Not the fastest

Planes

Pros:
Really good cannons
Lots of ammo for them (like 250 ammo for each 20mm cannon)
Arguably the best aircraft cannons in the entire game (Mg151/20)
Not bad CAS
Mine shells (minengeschoss) for cannons

Cons:
Ummmmm...
They aren't as manouverable as Japanese planes


Russia

Tanks

Pros:
Really trolly armor (you can bounce unbouncable hits for no reason)
Early sloped armor
Good shells

Cons:
Awful gun depression
If you get threw armor, it's not hard to oneshot them
Not good reolad time

Planes

Pros:
Pretty universal

Cons:
Really low ammo count
Mostly medicare cannons


Britan

Tanks

Pros:
Good penetration
Good reolad speed
Early stabilizers and APDS
Good gun depression

Cons:
Harder to oneshot enemies due to lack of explosives inside shells
Awful reverse speed

Planes

Pros:
Good speed
Good manouverability

Cons:
Small amount of ammo for earlier cannons


Japan

Tanks

Pros:
Hard hitting ammo
Good gun depression
Not known as much as other nation's tanks

Cons:
Mostly bad armor
Some weird design choises

Planes
Pros:
Really good manouverability
Light weight
Some have German cannons

Cons:
Really fragile


Italy

Tanks

Pros:
Really hard hitting ammo
Not known as much as other nation's tanks
More wheeled vehicles than other nations

Cons:
Not the greatest penetration
Not good armor

Planes

Pros:
Early 12.7mm Mgs
Get a lot of things from other nations, like German cannons (Mg151/20s)
Not known as much as other nation's planes

Cons:
Nothing outstanding if it comes to mobility.


France

Tanks

Pros:
Good tier 3-5 tanks
Autoloaders

Cons:
Awful early tier tanks
Harder to oneshotot enemies due to explosives inside shells

Planes

Pros:
Ummmmm...
Some good CAS
Some things from other nations (like german cannons)

Cons:
Awful 7.5mm Mgs
Meh in almost every aspect



My top list:

#1 Germany
#2 Japan and Italy
#3 Britan
#4 France and USA
#5 Russia