Chat censor... Why?

[Blitz ÂceRosin]

Legit question; Why have the chat censor if you can get banned for cursing anyways? Like, seriously. It's something you have to go into the options to turn off, meaning that unless somebody does that, everything will just appear like "wow this team ****ing sucks git gud before playing tier 1 and a half" (Paraphrasing, but, still. It's almost like the chat moderators don't understand there's already a mean of censoring 'bad words' (Which seems stupid to me because they're just words.) in the game.) instead of the actual message which is "wow this team fucking sucks git gud before playing tier 1 and a half"
Why even have the option to turn off the chat censoring if people will just get banned for it anyways? Plus, I think it's quite a bit unreasonable for moderators to ban people from communicating with their teammates because they insulted someone because they were, oh, I don't know, angry? Let's face it, when people are angry, they get irrational, leading to increased use of "colorful" language. (Use the infamous clip of PewDiePie streaming PUBG as an example of this.) And, chatbanning someone isn't exactly the best way to alleviate that anger when you can not communicate with your team at all, including stopping you from asking for help when flipped. Leading to further anger.

So, again, I ask; Why even have the "Chat censor" option toggle-able if you're just gonna' chatban somebody anyways?

(Before you ask, yes, I've been chatbanned before, for the reason I've outlined of my own anger management issues. But, the thing I see as odd, is my most recent one included "Inflammatory political statements", no idea what the hell that's supposed to mean, probably because I said something along the lines of "Hitler was worse than Stalin but everyone ignores it because Stalin was on the right side of the war", anyways...) As someone that sees banning people over "muh offensive speech", I see the whole "chatban" thing as absolutely stupid. You're free to voice as to why you think this feature is a good idea, although I entirely disagree as censorship of speech, when there's already a method of censoring said speech other than outright devoicing people and un-personing them.

[Zailplane]

I totally agree mate, pass this to the devs please.

[Qifi]

This game is rated 12+. This means children 12 and older can play the game without parents permission. Because of this we have rules that must be followed at all times.

Most assume the chat filter gives them the licence to say anything they please in the chat. The filter is there so parents have some control over what their children see in game. It is not there so players can act in any way they see fit. Your comments must be appropriate for that age group at all times.

Originally posted by Blitz ÂceRosin:

Plus, I think it's quite a bit unreasonable for moderators to ban people from communicating with their teammates because they insulted someone because they were, oh, I don't know, angry?

Because insulting other players is against the game rules;

The text is not allowed to be:

2.3.2. Obscene or abusive language, words, and consonant with the words and phrases in Any Language writing, including transliteration.

2.3.3. Personal and group insults, the humiliation of persons of a particular gender, sexual orientation, religion, and other topics that are not compatible with the standard laws of morality and decency. This may include negative events in History or obvious topics that can lead to dissent and insult in context.

These are the rules every player agreed to when creating the account. You break the rules, you face the consenquences. If people get angry and irrational what would be the best option? Let them curse and insult other players? Or give them some time-off to cool down?

If you have any more questions, feel free to send me a private message on the forums.

[Zailplane]

Originally posted by Qifi:

This game is rated 12+. This means children 12 and older can play the game without parents permission. Because of this we have rules that must be followed at all times.

Most assume the chat filter gives them the licence to say anything they please in the chat. The filter is there so parents have some control over what their children see in game. It is not there so players can act in any way they see fit. Your comments must be appropriate for that age group at all times.

Originally posted by Blitz ÂceRosin:

Plus, I think it's quite a bit unreasonable for moderators to ban people from communicating with their teammates because they insulted someone because they were, oh, I don't know, angry?

Because insulting other players is against the game rules;

The text is not allowed to be:

2.3.2. Obscene or abusive language, words, and consonant with the words and phrases in Any Language writing, including transliteration.

2.3.3. Personal and group insults, the humiliation of persons of a particular gender, sexual orientation, religion, and other topics that are not compatible with the standard laws of morality and decency. This may include negative events in History or obvious topics that can lead to dissent and insult in context.

These are the rules every player agreed to when creating the account. You break the rules, you face the consenquences. If people get angry and irrational what would be the best option? Let them curse and insult other players? Or give them some time-off to cool down?

If you have any more questions, feel free to send me a private message on the forums.

Okay you've got me convinced now.

[Blitz ÂceRosin]

You may have convinced him but not me, and a permanent devoice from a game where communication is important isn't exactly the best option. If it was an "All chat" devoice, it would make much more sense, as people often insult those on the opposing team rather than those on the same side.

The chat censorship option still doesn't particularly make much sense, as if people are okay with having the language seen by themselves (Or their children), chances are they aren't the kind of panzy to be offended over words, and if they have their child's chat censorship option disabled, it's their own fault for not paying attention to what their child is doing online.

I understand you're trying to keep your PG gamespace, but denying the human rights of freedom of speech and freedom of expression just seems a bit far, and even then, the chatban comes FAR after said person has already

Originally posted by Qifi:

cooled down

, thus making them angry that they've gotten a chat suspension for something that they could've forgotten about entirely by the time the ban rolls around. Nobody remembers everything they say while they're angry. (Well some people do, but, they're the outliers I suppose)

Allow me to present you with an example;
We have Player 1 [P1] and Player 2 [P2]
P1 says something along the lines of "Jesus christ I hope you get nuked" out of anger, and P2 reports them for that.
P1, later that day, forgets what was said due to calming down, only to, the next morning, awake to a devoice from the chat, in which they cannot communicate whatsoever, not even to their own teammates, to request assistance when flipped, to inform teammates of enemy locations, leading to the deaths of teammates and insults being thrown at P1, thus leading to reduced playtime (And reduced profit for Gaijin), due to a general feeling of uselessness in the game, leading to the player eventually dropping the game all together.

Now, one person has an entire devoice from the game in which they cannot even communicate with their friends or teammates just because of one burst of anger taken out in a non destructive or self destructive way. (I mean that as in they didn't break their property or themselves playing the game, or assault anybody or anything.)

Tell me, would the WT chat moderation team rather people break their bodies and property when angry instead of just saying a little bit of colorful language? I mean, if somebody gets injured or breaks their mouse and/or keyboard, they're most likely unable to play the game, leading to, again, another loss of profit for Gaijin until that player is fit to play again.

[kamikazi21358]

Originally posted by Qifi:

This game is rated 12+. This means children 12 and older can play the game

To be entirely fair, if anyone has played CoD or Halo might know, the 12 year olds are the ones with the most colourful vocabulary.

[Blitzkrieg Wulf]

Originally posted by Blitz ÂceRosin:

... a permanent devoice from a game where communication is important isn't exactly the best option. If it was an "All chat" devoice, it would make much more sense, as people often insult those on the opposing team rather than those on the same side.

- I'm not a GM, but as far as I understand, a permanent devoice is not the result of "Joey said some four letter word to me!!!" on the first occurrence. Permanent devoices/bans are the result of moderators having no more tools left in their box to dissuade users from breaking the rules- usually in a flagrant manner.

Originally posted by Blitz ÂceRosin:

The chat censorship option still doesn't particularly make much sense, as if people are okay with having the language seen by themselves (Or their children), chances are they aren't the kind of panzy to be offended over words, and if they have their child's chat censorship option disabled, it's their own fault for not paying attention to what their child is doing online.

I'm not sure what it is you're trying to get at here- Sharing an account is explicit violation of EULA/ToS. If parent lets their kids play on their account and their little kids are foul-mouths, that's on them- It is very explicitly stated that account security is the responsibility of the account creator, and accounts are not to be shared and/or loaned.

Originally posted by Blitz ÂceRosin:

I understand you're trying to keep your PG gamespace, but denying the human rights of freedom of speech and freedom of expression just seems a bit far, and even then, the chatban comes FAR after said person has already "cooled down", thus making them angry that they've gotten a chat suspension for something that they could've forgotten about entirely by the time the ban rolls around. Nobody remembers everything they say while they're angry. (Well some people do, but, they're the outliers I suppose)

A few things: It's the GM's job (ie their only reason their job exists) to keep the game clean and ensure people are following the rules.... that they LEGALLY agreed to.

The "It's my human right to freedom of speech and expression" has been tried many times, and I'm always floored that people so blindly click "I accept!" on all of the licencing/legal agreements a company has its users accept. If I were you, I would go back to the EULA and Terms of Use, and read them thoroughly to understand what it is you agreed to.

I'd especially point towards wording in the agreement such as, "Gaijin may refuse to provide Services to any person for any reason or no reason whatsoever.". TL;DR, you've agreed that they can bar you from your account (Refusing service), AND you've also agreed to hold them harmless.

Originally posted by Blitz ÂceRosin:

Now, one person has an entire devoice from the game in which they cannot even communicate with their friends or teammates just because of one burst of anger taken out in a non destructive or self destructive way. (I mean that as in they didn't break their property or themselves playing the game, or assault anybody or anything.)

Tell me, would the WT chat moderation team rather people break their bodies and property when angry instead of just saying a little bit of colorful language? I mean, if somebody gets injured or breaks their mouse and/or keyboard, they're most likely unable to play the game, leading to, again, another loss of profit for Gaijin until that player is fit to play again.

Now circling back to my initial comment: Permanent devoice isn't a first-time response. It is NOT the result of "one burst of anger". It is the response to someone who has time and time again shown that they cannot control their language in-game.

The WT GM team has NO CONTROL over what users do- If they cannot control themselves and decide to break their equipment or their body, Gaijin is not liable, and I would ]seriously consider taking a break.

[Blitz ÂceRosin]

Originally posted by Blitzkrieg Wulf:

The WT GM team has NO CONTROL over what users do- If they cannot control themselves and decide to break their equipment or their body, Gaijin is not liable, and I would seriously consider taking a break.

I'm not saying Gaijin should be liable, I'm saying they would lose out on profit, and taking a break isn't an option for low-income people (Like me) that have foolishly wasted their money on the game, and feel trapped due to the time and money investment. If it wasn't for that, I would honestly leave WT in a heartbeat because all the game really seems to do is make me angry or stressed, since I know for a fact that playing without premium, I'm more inclined to lose SL than I am to make a profit.

I know this is the only point I'm stepping on now, since, I honestly have no way to refute any of your other points, having you win (Although I still heavily disagree with silencing people.)

War Thunder used to be a game throughout 2014-15, nowadays it just kind of seems like a chore, which is an awful fate for a game. Feeling trapped to a game because you've put time and money into it isn't a good feeling at all.

[ulzgoroth]

Originally posted by Blitz ÂceRosin:

Originally posted by Blitzkrieg Wulf:

The WT GM team has NO CONTROL over what users do- If they cannot control themselves and decide to break their equipment or their body, Gaijin is not liable, and I would seriously consider taking a break.

I'm not saying Gaijin should be liable, I'm saying they would lose out on profit, and taking a break isn't an option for low-income people (Like me) that have foolishly wasted their money on the game, and feel trapped due to the time and money investment. If it wasn't for that, I would honestly leave WT in a heartbeat because all the game really seems to do is make me angry or stressed, since I know for a fact that playing without premium, I'm more inclined to lose SL than I am to make a profit.

I know this is the only point I'm stepping on now, since, I honestly have no way to refute any of your other points, having you win (Although I still heavily disagree with silencing people.)

War Thunder used to be a game throughout 2014-15, nowadays it just kind of seems like a chore, which is an awful fate for a game. Feeling trapped to a game because you've put time and money into it isn't a good feeling at all.

If your 'investment' is bringing no benefits, it's not an investment, it's just a sunk cost. If you want to stop playing War Thunder, do!

[uɐɐılʎʇs]

Originally posted by Blitz ÂceRosin:

I understand you're trying to keep your PG gamespace, but denying the human rights of freedom of speech and freedom of expression just seems a bit far

This is the thing that annoys me with peoples thinking. That people are free to say anything at anytime for any reason and its just fine.
You have the freedom to say exactly what you want, but depending what you say there may be consequences. That is how life works.

Athlete says something homophobic, well there goes sponsors. Politician says something wrong, gets voted out. TV personality swears etc on air, loses job.
They all could say what they wanted, and those around them can react accordingly.

You are acting like this is something of a new situation. It is pretty clearcut what happens in most these situations as it was in the game with the ToS and numerous posts here about ppl whining over their bans.

Grow up.

[Rommell8]

anyone who gets a chat ban in this game must be doing some super nasty chatting!

I personally tested the Limits>>> there are few.


Basically , they chat ban for Nazi type talk/ lucky that's one place I won't go.

I really think the Devs and moderators just read the complaints and laugh.

I pushed it super hard with cursing and some dirty pool... only time they even whispered in my direction,was when I sent a Dev a message ,personally. 2 weeks in the solitary confinement

Either way>talk to people like you want to be talked to -and everyone would be happy;)

[HachiRiko]

you can turn it on and off at will

[Blitz ÂceRosin]

Originally posted by Rommell8:

Either way>talk to people like you want to be talked to -and everyone would be happy;)

I do talk the way I want to be talked to, because I'm not the kind of coward that's like "ooh speech mean gotta be a poopiepeepee pants and report them because me feefees are hurt"

[uɐɐılʎʇs]

Originally posted by Blitz ÂceRosin:

Originally posted by Rommell8:

Either way>talk to people like you want to be talked to -and everyone would be happy;)

I do talk the way I want to be talked to, because I'm not the kind of coward that's like "ooh speech mean gotta be a poopiepeepee pants and report them because me feefees are hurt"

Thats probably not even half the reports.
A lot would be just a way to get back at the person using offensive language.

Like a spawncamper insulting the team hes camping. Why wouldnt half the guys he just killed send a report, its payback. If he leaves himself open to that then good on them i guess.



I honestly find the insults funny as hell at times. Kill someone and he starts raging/insulting me. Great. Not only did i get the kill but now i know this guys raging because of it.
Kill a guy and he says GG, well good sport and i dont mind the occasional convo from that, but a guy who starts spamming chat, thatll give me a good laugh and make the game far more enjoyable.

I got no issue reporting players who use certain words or insults though. The run of the mill stuff who cares.

[Gamecks]

I mean to be honest kids can get M rated games on Steam pretty easily, as the only age verification required uses the honesty policy...

[Rommell8]

Originally posted by uɐɐılʎʇs:

Originally posted by Blitz ÂceRosin:

I got no issue reporting players who use certain words or insults though. The run of the mill stuff who cares.

I agree>but War Thunder it is a Total Waste of time to report> I Like to still report suspected cheaters;that is all