M1A1 M829 or m1a1 m829 / to follow rules -

[Pappy]

M829 sabot on the M1A1 should be rated at 540 mm of penetration at 2000 m at 0 angle of attack not 454 mm as it is now...

Needs to be fixed!

[Fsxlover2]

1. Make sure that you are talking about the original M829 not a later variant
2. Give sources from where you got the 540mm
3. Post this on the official forum not on the steam discussions, gaijin doesnt read here

[Pappy]

1. Wikipedia, which references US ARMY info..

2. I don't log into Gaijin - steam - to start WT.

3. US Army data - easy to get on internet - M829 not restricted any longer, Round not used on active duty any longer..

4. The current round is the M829A3 , which data is not available to public.. Know as the silver bullet to Desert Storm Tankers...

5. Stop the dumbed up ammo on american tanks - M1A1 120 mm should kill any tank in the game at the stupid close ranges we fight in this game..... Any where in the kill zone..

Gaijin has the resources to find this data - it's in the public domain- nuff said...

[Pappy]

also look at Jane's...

Like I said if they wanted a fair fight they would simply DO IT !!!!!!

[-NODER-_Novastorm_]

Yes, not only the m1a1 but the other abrams should get better rounds, they had those in real life.
I think they refuse to give to abrams good shells, because alot of people will cry and thats sad, because nowadays anything can pierce the m1a1 everywhere but the m1a1 cant do the same to the others.
They nerfed so hard USA toptiers, luckly i play almost all nations at 10.0, but i gave a break to my USA toptier lineup, i hope things to be better in the future...
Right now im blowing up T80U mbts like no tomorow with my Ariete italian mbt, i wonder if that is going to be nerfed aswell in the future, i allready have plenty of only 1 nation users(ussr) at toptier crying alot on my chat window:)
It feels so dam good shooting and piercing T80 mbts anywhere without aim efforts:)

[Pappy]

I just want a fair fight - not dominance--- ...

[kamikazi21358]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Pappy:

4. The current round is the M829A3 , which data is not available to public.. Know as the silver bullet to Desert Storm Tankers...

That is the M829A1.

Ursprünglich geschrieben von =VNPA= novastorm//pt\\:

Yes, not only the m1a1 but the other abrams should get better rounds, they had those in real life.
I think they refuse to give to abrams good shells, because alot of people will cry and thats sad, because nowadays anything can pierce the m1a1 everywhere but the m1a1 cant do the same to the others.
They nerfed so hard USA toptiers, luckly i play almost all nations at 10.0, but i gave a break to my USA toptier lineup, i hope things to be better in the future...
Right now im blowing up T80U mbts like no tomorow with my Ariete italian mbt, i wonder if that is going to be nerfed aswell in the future, i allready have plenty of only 1 nation users(ussr) at toptier crying alot on my chat window:)
It feels so dam good shooting and piercing T80 mbts anywhere without aim efforts:)

Every nation at top tier has ahistorical ammunition. Hopefully some day they go back to actually caring about historical accuracy.

[Pappy]

k
cool..

you agree with me - M829 penetrates 540 mm ?

"JANE'S"

[kamikazi21358]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Pappy:

k
cool..

you agree with me - M829 penetrates 540 mm ?

"JANE'S"

But also keep in mind,

> 3BM42 should penetrate 520mm at 2km

> DM33 and JM33 should penetrate 610mm at 200m and 460mm at 2km

etc., which it is not exclusive to the above.

[Pappy]

3BM42 is of later design and shouldnot be in the game unless the Abrams M1A1 is loaded with m829a1...

just played a game takes 2 to 3 shots in kill zones in a M1A1 to kill with HEAT and the M829 provided, 2470 hours playing this game.. I know where to shoot/target and it's BS that a T80U is in this game without the M829A1 in th M1A1 which was designed to counter the reactive armor on the T80U...

I'll just stop being target practice in this game until the Ammo is balanced in the Abrams line UP..

I'll just go on test drives ....
and play BR1...

[Pappy]

thank you for your conversation - it's nice knowing I'm not the only one that can do research..

[kamikazi21358]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Pappy:

3BM42 is of later design and shouldnot be in the game unless the Abrams M1A1 is loaded with m829a1...

3BM42 is a 1985 shell, the following tanks get it:

T-64B obr. 1984 (would have used it)
T-80B (specifically, the 1985 mod, same year)
and T-80U,
originally the T-80U would use it (same year),
but the version in game is the early 1990s T-80UM, meaning if anything, 3BM42 should be stock, and it should be firing 1991 3BM46 and early ‘90s 3BM42M.

Meanwhile, the M1A1 in game would have used M829, however M829A1 is a later date ammunition, so it necessarily wouldn’t have used it. Although I do agree, it should get it, it is close enough and would have fired M829A1 by the late ‘80s, early ‘90s.

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Pappy:

just played a game takes 2 to 3 shots in kill zones in a M1A1 to kill with HEAT and the M829 provided, 2470 hours playing this game.. I know where to shoot/target and it's BS that a T80U is in this game without the M829A1 in th M1A1 which was designed to counter the reactive armor on the T80U...

The M829A3 is designed to specifically counter reactive armour like Kontakt-5, Kaktus, and Relik. M829A1 can only penetrate the T-80U, T-72B obr. 1989, and T-90 at close range.

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Pappy:

I'll just stop being target practice in this game until the Ammo is balanced in the Abrams line UP..

I'll just go on test drives ....
and play BR1...

Which although America doesn’t seem to be doing bad team wise for some reason, I do agree (from someone who doesn't have the Abrams) that the M1A1 looks underwhelming. Honestly the M1A1 should get M829A1 (and all tanks get their historical ammunition too), and the M1A1(HA) should like a better counter to the T-80U, as I think a T-80U (1990) with 3BM46 vs a M1A1(HA) w/ M829A1 should theoretically be equals? Both are very maneuverable (T-80U moreso by this point due to weight, HA should be over 60t), near equal ammunition, HA gets excellent turret armour and ammo protection while the T-80 gets decent all-round frontal protection without any ammo protection.

[Kay]

Firstly, is that LoS penetration of a 60 degree plate, or penetration through a flat plate?

Secondly, RHAe really isn't that useful for penetration anymore, unfortunately the game can't model APFSDS rounds interacting with composite armour accurately.

They use the lanz-odermatt formula to calculate penetration rather than using stated values for pretty much every round, which is why they all differ from penetration stated in documents.

It should get M829, the M1A1 is a bit lacklustre, but it's performing very well since it's part of a great lineup. It isn't really comparable to the T-80U honestly, the M1A1 HA would be but then we'd be looking at a Leo 2A5 with better ammunition and that would be a tiny bit OP

[Ayre Simp]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Ki'agh:

Firstly, is that LoS penetration of a 60 degree plate, or penetration through a flat plate?

Secondly, RHAe really isn't that useful for penetration anymore, unfortunately the game can't model APFSDS rounds interacting with composite armour accurately.

They use the lanz-odermatt formula to calculate penetration rather than using stated values for pretty much every round, which is why they all differ from penetration stated in documents.

It should get M829, the M1A1 is a bit lacklustre, but it's performing very well since it's part of a great lineup. It isn't really comparable to the T-80U honestly, the M1A1 HA would be but then we'd be looking at a Leo 2A5 with better ammunition and that would be a tiny bit OP

lmao as if the 2a5 isnt but i agree but theyll probs just make a whole new tank if the m1a1 ha was a thing instead of a armor upgrade that russia gets as a mod for some tonks lmao but then again they are just slapping on era

[The_Illuminati_Confirmed]

about m829a3 it CANNOT penetrate relikt, relikt is designed to defeat multi-core rounds such as m829a3, this is acheived through the addition of a thicker and angled rear plate in the relikt block. K-5 snaps monoblock penetrators, relikt defeats multi-cored munitions. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bp_3iOotSq0

[The_Illuminati_Confirmed]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Christopher Robin:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Ki'agh:

Firstly, is that LoS penetration of a 60 degree plate, or penetration through a flat plate?

Secondly, RHAe really isn't that useful for penetration anymore, unfortunately the game can't model APFSDS rounds interacting with composite armour accurately.

They use the lanz-odermatt formula to calculate penetration rather than using stated values for pretty much every round, which is why they all differ from penetration stated in documents.

It should get M829, the M1A1 is a bit lacklustre, but it's performing very well since it's part of a great lineup. It isn't really comparable to the T-80U honestly, the M1A1 HA would be but then we'd be looking at a Leo 2A5 with better ammunition and that would be a tiny bit OP

lmao as if the 2a5 isnt but i agree but theyll probs just make a whole new tank if the m1a1 ha was a thing instead of a armor upgrade that russia gets as a mod for some tonks lmao but then again they are just slapping on era

where's our T-72AV then... it's just the A with K-1 slapped on to c*ckblock HEAT muntions.