Remove CM-11 and M60A3 from Chinese Tree

[Mods]

Neither of them are Chinese vehicles and neither were operated by China, Every nation currently in game only gets vehicles it at one point had tested for foreign purchase, manufactured, bought in quantity or were atleast used in some type of service within that Country, China is the only one that gets vehicles it never operated, purchased, looked at purchasing, tested captures of, etc.


At the Minimum add the M60A3 to the US tree where it belongs.

[kamikazi21358]

Mods_o_joy původně napsal:

At the Minimum add the M60A3 to the US tree where it belongs.

Yes.

Mods_o_joy původně napsal:

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no
They’re not Chinese.
Their Taiwanese.[farm5.staticflickr.com]

[Doctor Eggman]

Shovel Knight původně napsal:

Mods_o_joy původně napsal:

no, they dont lmao. There is literally a whole divide between their national politics about if they should seek reunification or full independence.

Yes they do, while they don't agree that the other is the true China they both agree that there is only one China. The PRoC sees itself as the sole China with the RoC being a special administrative region while the RoC continues to see the PRoC as an illegal entity controlling the mainland. In both cases they agree that there is only one China, though I will admit that the RoC is facing inner turmoil on that matter due to the fighting between the Pan-Blue and the Pan-Green Coalitions of which the Pan-Green, supporting independence, has gained the majority in the most recent election. However, for the timeline that is in the game the RoC would be dominated by the Pan-Blue which supports the idea I have previously stated.

un.Casual původně napsal:

So what's the protests about

You have to be more specific.

Dude, you're deliberately obfuscating the topic on purpose.

Yes, the PRoC and RoC see each other in different ways, but in a sense its hardly any different to the North Korea / South Korea fandango, both countries technically have their sovereignty at its current point whether they see themselves as "China" or not.

There's a reason why they're termed "The Two Chinas" these days. ;)

[Illusionyary]

"The CM-11 Brave Tiger (勇虎式戰車) is a Main Battle Tank (MBT) that was developed by both the American General Dynamics and the Republic of China (Taiwan) Army Armored Vehicle Development Center. It was introduced to the public on 14 April 1990. Being a variant of the M48 Patton, it is also known as the M48H Main Battle Tank. The CM-11 is a hybrid M60 chassis fitted with the turret from the older M48 Patton and the fire control system of the M1 Abrams."

You are aware that the Chinese tree contains both PRC and ROC vehicles yes?

[Doctor Eggman]

Illusionyary původně napsal:

"The CM-11 Brave Tiger (勇虎式戰車) is a Main Battle Tank (MBT) that was developed by both the American General Dynamics and the Republic of China (Taiwan) Army Armored Vehicle Development Center. It was introduced to the public on 14 April 1990. Being a variant of the M48 Patton, it is also known as the M48H Main Battle Tank. The CM-11 is a hybrid M60 chassis fitted with the turret from the older M48 Patton and the fire control system of the M1 Abrams."

You are aware that the Chinese tree contains both PRC and ROC vehicles yes?

I suspect he probably wants the RoC flag on the tanks like everyone else, that's the problem that most people have afaik.

[The Wiggly Armed Man]

Hatsune Miku původně napsal:

Shovel Knight původně napsal:

Yes they do, while they don't agree that the other is the true China they both agree that there is only one China. The PRoC sees itself as the sole China with the RoC being a special administrative region while the RoC continues to see the PRoC as an illegal entity controlling the mainland. In both cases they agree that there is only one China, though I will admit that the RoC is facing inner turmoil on that matter due to the fighting between the Pan-Blue and the Pan-Green Coalitions of which the Pan-Green, supporting independence, has gained the majority in the most recent election. However, for the timeline that is in the game the RoC would be dominated by the Pan-Blue which supports the idea I have previously stated.

You have to be more specific.

Dude, you're deliberately obfuscating the topic on purpose.

Yes, the PRoC and RoC see each other in different ways, but in a sense its hardly any different to the North Korea / South Korea fandango, both countries technically have their sovereignty at its current point whether they see themselves as "China" or not.

There's a reason why they're termed "The Two Chinas" these days. ;)

I'm just saying that Taiwan is still China and there's nothing wrong with having a unified RoC/PRoC tree.

[Doctor Eggman]

Shovel Knight původně napsal:

Hatsune Miku původně napsal:

Dude, you're deliberately obfuscating the topic on purpose.

Yes, the PRoC and RoC see each other in different ways, but in a sense its hardly any different to the North Korea / South Korea fandango, both countries technically have their sovereignty at its current point whether they see themselves as "China" or not.

There's a reason why they're termed "The Two Chinas" these days. ;)

I'm just saying that Taiwan is still China and there's nothing wrong with having a unified RoC/PRoC tree.

I agree, I think both vehicles should be in the same tree... (since Korea would be the same in terms of an ingame thing) but I would like to see their respective flags (personally) to denote their vehicles.

If other tanks can get it, surely its not "that" harmful to place a flag on a specific vehicle. There are technically better and more modern PRC vehicles anyway, so surely PRC should be happy with its superiority? Unless they really are that bothered by a few meagre tanks that RoC fields...

I'm not about to flame war over it though, I just like uniquely denoted vehicles.

[Pumba70]

To be honest, I'm not sure why you guys are so angry about this. Seems a bit silly tbh.
It's not THAT big a deal
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/226073995492065280/627343133759242261/TAIWAN_NUMBA_WAN.png

[83athom]

Zarù999 původně napsal:

I agree with the M60A3 part. Sad to say, i was a bit triggered to see China get an AMERICAN tank before the US tree even gets it. But you know they won't fix it, not for a long while, if not ever

Quite a few trees got US vehicles before the US got it's own equivalent.

[kamikazi21358]

Pumba70 původně napsal:

To be honest, I'm not sure why you guys are so angry about this. Seems a bit silly tbh.
It's not THAT big a deal :microraptor:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/226073995492065280/627343133759242261/TAIWAN_NUMBA_WAN.png

This is because only 19 nations on the planet recognize Taiwan as a separate nation. As far as the majority of the planet goes, unfortunetly, Taiwan is a part of China officially.

Edit: and I think one of those 19 is Taiwan itself.

[Pumba70]

kamikazi21358 původně napsal:

Pumba70 původně napsal:

To be honest, I'm not sure why you guys are so angry about this. Seems a bit silly tbh.
It's not THAT big a deal
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/226073995492065280/627343133759242261/TAIWAN_NUMBA_WAN.png

This is because only 19 nations on the planet recognize Taiwan as a separate nation. As far as the majority of the planet goes, unfortunetly, Taiwan is a part of China officially.

Edit: and I think one of those 19 is Taiwan itself.

The GDR doesn't exist, but it still has the correct statcard flag and I'm okay with that. Its less a "I don't recognize Taiwan doesn't exist" issue and more of do you think vehicles with the KMT emblem from WW2 should have the (correct) KMT flag on their stat card like every other nation has with their various vehicles.
In the end tho, we all know why those vehicles (the Taiwanese ones included) don't have the correct statcard flag.

[Arcadio]

un.Casual původně napsal:

Doesn't China consider Taiwan part of main china

No, Taiwan is the #1

[Arcadio]

Shovel Knight původně napsal:

Hatsune Miku původně napsal:

Dude, you're deliberately obfuscating the topic on purpose.

Yes, the PRoC and RoC see each other in different ways, but in a sense its hardly any different to the North Korea / South Korea fandango, both countries technically have their sovereignty at its current point whether they see themselves as "China" or not.

There's a reason why they're termed "The Two Chinas" these days. ;)

I'm just saying that Taiwan is still China and there's nothing wrong with having a unified RoC/PRoC tree.

But the communist flag that's in the game didn't even exist when WWII was over, see: List of Chinese flags [en.wikipedia.org]

[B.D.Godde]

Arcadio #L2G původně napsal:

Shovel Knight původně napsal:

I'm just saying that Taiwan is still China and there's nothing wrong with having a unified RoC/PRoC tree.

But the communist flag that's in the game didn't even exist when WWII was over, see: List of Chinese flags [en.wikipedia.org]

china was nationalist at that point and was taken over by the communists at the end of the war when the soviets liberated (occupied) china