Chinese Tech Tree

[ningus bingledong]

Is anyone else disappointed? It's literally just a copy and paste of other nations' vehicles and yet it's in this weird early access state. It doesn't sit right with me that we have to pay like 16 bucks to play regular tech tree planes from other nations except with a little Chinese logo in front of the names.

[Katokevin]

I'm enjoying it in terms of the tanks. Most of what's there are decent to quite good vehicles from the US or Chinese tree (2 T-34-85's, an IS-2, M18, and Type 65 in one line is quite fun). Though I'm more interested in the top tier stuff coming in the future.

Not as interested in their aircraft, but still decent. Does what I need it to do.

[Scheneighnay]

They need to stop calling it a beta- "yeah, we're testing vehicles that have been in the game for years"
I plan on playing it because I like the vehicles in it, but gaijin needs to at least own that it's a cashgrab.

[Katokevin]

Originally posted by Scheneighnay:

They need to stop calling it a beta- "yeah, we're testing vehicles that have been in the game for years"
I plan on playing it because I like the vehicles in it, but gaijin needs to at least own that it's a cashgrab.

There is still the issue with the premium M4A4 where at I believe around 25 or less rounds carried does not model the ammo in the tank. It and the standard one are also still using the wrong engine model as well. But by the time people start to get the tanks that actually need testing (Tier IV - V), it's probably going to be out of beta.

[Arcadio]

And most ridiculous of all is that Gaijin decided to use the current China flag instead of the China flag during World War II. Very strange this different behavior with China is that all other nations use the flags that were historically used during the war.
See examples: China WWII flag 1[i.ytimg.com] and China WWII flag 2[cdn.cnn.com]

[Scheneighnay]

Originally posted by Arcadio #L2G:

And most ridiculous of all is that Gaijin decided to use the current China flag instead of the China flag during World War II. Very strange this different behavior with China is that all other nations use the flags that were historically used during the war.
See examples: China WWII flag 1[i.ytimg.com] and China WWII flag 2[cdn.cnn.com]

they're catering to maoist revisionists who claim the Chinese communists were anything other than dead weight waiting for the Japanese to do their job for them in WWII.

[uɐɐılʎʇs]

Originally posted by Arcadio #L2G:

And most ridiculous of all is that Gaijin decided to use the current China flag instead of the China flag during World War II. Very strange this different behavior with China is that all other nations use the flags that were historically used during the war.
See examples: China WWII flag 1[i.ytimg.com] and China WWII flag 2[cdn.cnn.com]

China use to be the 'Republic of China' using the RoC flag(link to your WW2 flag). But that flag is still in use by Taiwan. So using that flag although historic could make a player at face value think they are Taiwanese tanks.

But also due to restrictions/backlash having the RoC flag could have negative effects for warthunder being played in China. The same reason the CM11 has a PRC flag even though it has never served with China and is a Taiwanese(US) tank. That tank would make far more sense being in the US Tree then in the Chinese tree at all.
Gaijin is a business and its aim is financial, not political so just like the Swastika not having a place here, certain other steps have been taken.

Its not ideal, but its just how things are. While it would be much better historically you cant expect every business to take such a stand at the risk of losing income. Some do, some domt.

Its easy to make idealistic posts against this sort of thing when it isnt your money at risk. And even easier to cherry pick which cause to argue over, meanwhile our everyday products come from countries with shady labour practices.

Just how things are.

[Pumba70]

Originally posted by Arcadio #L2G:

And most ridiculous of all is that Gaijin decided to use the current China flag instead of the China flag during World War II. Very strange this different behavior with China is that all other nations use the flags that were historically used during the war.
See examples: China WWII flag 1[i.ytimg.com] and China WWII flag 2[cdn.cnn.com]

Don't know what you're talking about. Seems fine to me)))
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/226073995492065280/627343133759242261/TAIWAN_NUMBA_WAN.png

[Arcadio]

Originally posted by Pumba70:

Originally posted by Arcadio #L2G:

And most ridiculous of all is that Gaijin decided to use the current China flag instead of the China flag during World War II. Very strange this different behavior with China is that all other nations use the flags that were historically used during the war.
See examples: China WWII flag 1[i.ytimg.com] and China WWII flag 2[cdn.cnn.com]

Don't know what you're talking about. Seems fine to me)))
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/226073995492065280/627343133759242261/TAIWAN_NUMBA_WAN.png

Stop or the censor will close this topic too :<

[Arcadio]

Originally posted by uɐɐılʎʇs:

Originally posted by Arcadio #L2G:

And most ridiculous of all is that Gaijin decided to use the current China flag instead of the China flag during World War II. Very strange this different behavior with China is that all other nations use the flags that were historically used during the war.
See examples: China WWII flag 1[i.ytimg.com] and China WWII flag 2[cdn.cnn.com]

China use to be the 'Republic of China' using the RoC flag(link to your WW2 flag). But that flag is still in use by Taiwan. So using that flag although historic could make a player at face value think they are Taiwanese tanks.

But also due to restrictions/backlash having the RoC flag could have negative effects for warthunder being played in China. The same reason the CM11 has a PRC flag even though it has never served with China and is a Taiwanese(US) tank. That tank would make far more sense being in the US Tree then in the Chinese tree at all.
Gaijin is a business and its aim is financial, not political so just like the Swastika not having a place here, certain other steps have been taken.

Its not ideal, but its just how things are. While it would be much better historically you cant expect every business to take such a stand at the risk of losing income. Some do, some domt.

Its easy to make idealistic posts against this sort of thing when it isnt your money at risk. And even easier to cherry pick which cause to argue over, meanwhile our everyday products come from countries with shady labour practices.

Just how things are.

Fair enough. I just wondered if there was any reason other than business.

I was watching this footage of an invasion of Japan in China during WWII and it is curious how they have more modern flags of Japan than the imperial flag.

As far as I know the current flag of China [en.wikipedia.org] came into existence only after the end of the war... Or did they coexisted at any time between 1939 to 1945?

[Scheneighnay]

Originally posted by Pumba70:

Originally posted by Arcadio #L2G:

And most ridiculous of all is that Gaijin decided to use the current China flag instead of the China flag during World War II. Very strange this different behavior with China is that all other nations use the flags that were historically used during the war.
See examples: China WWII flag 1[i.ytimg.com] and China WWII flag 2[cdn.cnn.com]

Don't know what you're talking about. Seems fine to me)))
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/226073995492065280/627343133759242261/TAIWAN_NUMBA_WAN.png

I didn't even have to rename the file, you read my mind.

[Scheneighnay]

Originally posted by Arcadio #L2G:

Originally posted by uɐɐılʎʇs:

China use to be the 'Republic of China' using the RoC flag(link to your WW2 flag). But that flag is still in use by Taiwan. So using that flag although historic could make a player at face value think they are Taiwanese tanks.

But also due to restrictions/backlash having the RoC flag could have negative effects for warthunder being played in China. The same reason the CM11 has a PRC flag even though it has never served with China and is a Taiwanese(US) tank. That tank would make far more sense being in the US Tree then in the Chinese tree at all.
Gaijin is a business and its aim is financial, not political so just like the Swastika not having a place here, certain other steps have been taken.

Its not ideal, but its just how things are. While it would be much better historically you cant expect every business to take such a stand at the risk of losing income. Some do, some domt.

Its easy to make idealistic posts against this sort of thing when it isnt your money at risk. And even easier to cherry pick which cause to argue over, meanwhile our everyday products come from countries with shady labour practices.

Just how things are.

Fair enough. I just wondered if there was any reason other than business.

I was watching this footage of an invasion of Japan in China during WWII and it is curious how they have more modern flags of Japan than the imperial flag.

As far as I know the current flag of China [en.wikipedia.org] came into existence only after the end of the war... Or did they coexisted at any time between 1939 to 1945?

iirc imperial Japan used 3 different flags at the same time, one of which is the modern one, another the one that's in game, and the third is similar to the second but has the sun centered

Can't remember if it was national-navy-army, mainland-east-west, or what.

[uɐɐılʎʇs]

Originally posted by Scheneighnay:

iirc imperial Japan used 3 different flags at the same time, one of which is the modern one, another the one that's in game, and the third is similar to the second but has the sun centered

Can't remember if it was national-navy-army, mainland-east-west, or what.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Flag_of_the_Republic_of_China_Army.svg
Thats the sun centred one, still apparently in use.

The one Arcadio linked as the WW1 flag looks closest like a proposal flag for the ROC although it has less horizontal stripes, but being as the picture is he linked is drawn may of been done from memory/innacurate. Or maybe a 3rd flag i havent seen.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Flag_of_the_Republic_of_China_(draft_1).svg

Also doubt the RoC and Prc flag were used concurrently by China, although obviously theyre used currently by 2 different countries( used countries for lack of better word in Taiwans case).

[A Toaster]

it's just copy and paste
90% of China tanks and air are just from other trees plus there own designs are also copy of soviet tanks and planes mostly

[Молния]

#1: It is going to be a copy and paste for earlier years of tanks...Cause the beautiful thing of a civil war involving 7-8+ warlords, you really do not have time to manufacture much. So all of these tanks are going to be lend lease. But they plan on adding more modern tanks, just like they have been doing for I don't know, EVERY OTHER tech tree there is. And for the modern stuff, it is not going to be a copy and paste. things like ZTZ 96 and ZTZ 99 for example, and jets like J-20 and other things and can not think of right off top of my head.
#2: China client of warthunder license is expiring, so they adding stuff from the China only client to the "Global" version, so those people from other client, who mainly had China tech tree as well *cough* *cough* I a one of them, they can still have their tanks they worked for, just like you guys have for other tech trees.
#3: Flags are something else to satisfy the China government when it comes to playing. So us the Chinese community can actually play. But then again, they could mess with that so that everyone else sees the ROC flag and not just PRC. Because on Chinese version of warthunder the rising sun flag for japan is not used. In asia, that is seen as is the swastika to europe and north america.
Final note: not everything is a copy and paste, only most of it is, because again, it is early war tanks that are mostly captured or lend lease. And you cannot complain about this, as they are not finished and plan on adding modern stuff which is actually designed and manufactured in PRC. ROC today has American tanks, and has not made their own stuff, so if/or when people complain about that, there is your answer. This has been my rant, thank you.

[Pumba70]

Originally posted by Scheneighnay:

Originally posted by Pumba70:

Don't know what you're talking about. Seems fine to me)))
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/226073995492065280/627343133759242261/TAIWAN_NUMBA_WAN.png

I didn't even have to rename the file, you read my mind.

I have no idea what you are talking about.
But hey, I gotchu!