Is the Germany Suffers Meme Real?

[B.D.Godde]

I rarely ever played Germany until I decided to grind it again with my Russia WT account (for some reason as an early player I created a new account for each tree, don't ask questions).

And I sucked
Sure I scraped 1/2 kills per tank at low tier, but I felt like I could be doing a lot better. A lot of the deaths I had were embarrassingly lame and I couldn't figure out whether I was having a recession or it was the tanks' fault themselves.

Then the Chinese tree was opened to the general playerbase and I was doing great.
I was really surprised at the ease with which I was getting 6-8 kill games. I don't know how I am able to say this, but maybe Germany really does suffer?

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--A general discussion on the factors affecting German's poor win-rates and K/D ratios. Do not whine about your suffering. Do not waste time insulting people. Stick to the topic as best as you can. Do not rant about specific vehicles. I am okay with Br comparisans, but every time somebody brings up a specific vehicle the thread derails--

[torindechoza]

引用自 Trollslegur：

I've said it before and I'll say it again:

The only thing Germany suffers from is a poor playerbase.

mostly yes.
Up to 3.3 is average in tanks. From there the tanks are the best in my opinion, except some br, for instance i like british 6.7.
But culturally you have the wehraboos. Perhaps they played company of heroes 2 where a isu 152 cant harm a tiger 1.

[Scheneighnay]

German teams just suck, there's nothing wrong with their vehicles.
Only with Germany do you see half of your team lining up just outside the spawn at the start of the battle. Then they wonder why they lose every point and start getting spawn camped 2 minutes in.

[Doctor Eggman]

引用自 Qle：

引用自 Jackson Mcdonald：

Germany is the worst, if you wanna have fun and kick ass go soviet or USA

damn if you think that germany is bad then try playing as japan

Woah! Hot looking dracula waifu! Me like! *heart heart heart heart heart*

Hot looking Dracula waifu can be Japan player anyday! Yay!

[76561198073631778]

no. german bias

[The Wiggly Armed Man]

引用自 Qle：

引用自 Jackson Mcdonald：

Germany is the worst, if you wanna have fun and kick ass go soviet or USA

damn if you think that germany is bad then try playing as japan

Japan isn't that bad, but Germany does have the better lineups.

[R.A.T. Army *MST3K*]

I got stuck on the new account for each nation...I cannot get past this.

[Scheneighnay]

引用自 Shovel Knight：

引用自 Qle：

damn if you think that germany is bad then try playing as japan

Japan isn't that bad, but Germany does have the better lineups.

The Japanese line ranges from mediocre to hot garbage.
It says something when my 3.3 vehicles all consistently outperform the 4.3 cheeto in the same battle.

[Sobolewski]

引用自 Scheneighnay：

引用自 Shovel Knight：

Japan isn't that bad, but Germany does have the better lineups.

The Japanese line ranges from mediocre to hot garbage.
It says something when my 3.3 vehicles all consistently outperform the 4.3 cheeto in the same battle.

*laughs in Chi-Nu II, Ho-Ri Production & Prototype, Ho-Ro, Ke-Ni, Chi-Ha-Kai, Chi-He ( I think it's this one, could be wrong), and the long 75mm truck with a boatload of crew members*
They've got their fair share of bad tanks, but also some good ones.

[The Wiggly Armed Man]

引用自 Scheneighnay：

引用自 Shovel Knight：

Japan isn't that bad, but Germany does have the better lineups.

The Japanese line ranges from mediocre to hot garbage.
It says something when my 3.3 vehicles all consistently outperform the 4.3 cheeto in the same battle.

That's you being weird, the Chi-Nu is already mediocre in a full uptier and can't effectively combat 5.3s.

[Scheneighnay]

引用自 Shovel Knight：

引用自 Scheneighnay：

The Japanese line ranges from mediocre to hot garbage.
It says something when my 3.3 vehicles all consistently outperform the 4.3 cheeto in the same battle.

That's you being weird, the Chi-Nu is already mediocre in a full uptier and can't effectively combat 5.3s.

I was referring to the Na-To and M24.

引用自 Sobolewski：

引用自 Scheneighnay：

The Japanese line ranges from mediocre to hot garbage.
It says something when my 3.3 vehicles all consistently outperform the 4.3 cheeto in the same battle.

*laughs in Chi-Nu II, Ho-Ri Production & Prototype, Ho-Ro, Ke-Ni, Chi-Ha-Kai, Chi-He ( I think it's this one, could be wrong), and the long 75mm truck with a boatload of crew members*
They've got their fair share of bad tanks, but also some good ones.

Mediocre, haven't used Ho Ris yet, mediocre, mediocre, mediocre, mediocre, only good imperial Japanese vehicle

[The Wiggly Armed Man]

引用自 Scheneighnay：

引用自 Shovel Knight：

That's you being weird, the Chi-Nu is already mediocre in a full uptier and can't effectively combat 5.3s.

I was referring to the Na-To and M24.

引用自 Sobolewski：

*laughs in Chi-Nu II, Ho-Ri Production & Prototype, Ho-Ro, Ke-Ni, Chi-Ha-Kai, Chi-He ( I think it's this one, could be wrong), and the long 75mm truck with a boatload of crew members*
They've got their fair share of bad tanks, but also some good ones.

Mediocre, haven't used Ho Ris yet, mediocre, mediocre, mediocre, mediocre, only good imperial Japanese vehicle

>Chi-Nu Ii mediocre
>laughs in 3.05 k/dr

I think your playstyle isn't fitting for Japan or something, or for those tanks, the Chi-Ha Kai and Ke-Ni are great brawlers.

[Scheneighnay]

引用自 Shovel Knight：

引用自 Scheneighnay：

I was referring to the Na-To and M24.

Mediocre, haven't used Ho Ris yet, mediocre, mediocre, mediocre, mediocre, only good imperial Japanese vehicle

>Chi-Nu Ii mediocre
>laughs in 3.05 k/dr

I think your playstyle isn't fitting for Japan or something, or for those tanks, the Chi-Ha Kai and Ke-Ni are great brawlers.

No armor, easily one-shotted, and is easily defeated by any kind of slope, which continues with the cheetos and Ho Ri.
Chi-Ha Kai is the same, Ke-Ni is a fun tank for stealth capping but doesn't stand out at all in a fight.

[The Wiggly Armed Man]

引用自 Scheneighnay：

引用自 Shovel Knight：

>Chi-Nu Ii mediocre
>laughs in 3.05 k/dr

I think your playstyle isn't fitting for Japan or something, or for those tanks, the Chi-Ha Kai and Ke-Ni are great brawlers.

No armor, easily one-shotted, and is easily defeated by any kind of slope, which continues with the cheetos and Ho Ri.
Chi-Ha Kai is the same, Ke-Ni is a fun tank for stealth capping but doesn't stand out at all in a fight.

While the lack of a cap on the shell does make the round lackluster against slopes it can still lolpen everything from 2.7-4.7 with a nuclear HE filler to back it up. I don't really see the lack of armour being a detriment considering it's not meant to take shots, though it can at least protect against plane strafing. The Chi-Ha Kai has a gun sufficient enough for its BR and can even reliably kill the M4A1 if you aim your shots correctly. It's sufficiently mobile and while it's not that armoured no tanks are really that armoured around that BR. The Ke-Ni is basically a Japanese M22 and I find it to be the best of the 1.0~ tanks with good mobility and a good gun. I don't think either of us will be able to change our opinions tho.

[Haegler]

引用自 Scheneighnay：

引用自 Sobolewski：

*laughs in Chi-Nu II, Ho-Ri Production & Prototype, Ho-Ro, Ke-Ni, Chi-Ha-Kai, Chi-He ( I think it's this one, could be wrong), and the long 75mm truck with a boatload of crew members*
They've got their fair share of bad tanks, but also some good ones.

Mediocre, haven't used Ho Ris yet, mediocre, mediocre, mediocre, mediocre, only good imperial Japanese vehicle

...what?
Chi-Nu II is widely regarded as one of the best if not the best 3.7 premium if not the best ground vehicle overall.

Ho-Ris are supposedly pretty dang good. I can't tell, haven't spent money on the prem and I trying to spade my 6.7s first before moving on (painful).

Did you just insult the godly lord Ho-Ro lord of the nuke?

Seriously? Ke-Ni? The fast little bugger that could easily hide, easily flank etc.? What I sometimes like to call my Japanese 1.3 Hellcat?

What? Chi-Ha-kai? The thing used to be a beast before they nerfed the pen on it. It still is a beast though, pretty easily capable of dispatching practically anything it faces at 3.0. Sure, it isn't anything special but it is a pretty decent tank and anyone who liked Panzer IIIs will like this one too as it is basically what would be put between the Panzer III E and the Panzer III J.

Chi-He? Hm, actually gonna have to agree there. It is a worse Panzer III J in every aspect.

Na-To is great, glad that we agree on that. No idea why you'd find the Na-To great and the Ho-Ro mediocre though.

[Strikeclone]

引用自 theGoddes：

but this is the problem of every nation, everyone suffers from uptiers (with maybe the exception of britain, as their rounds can penetrate almost every vehicle above and below their Brs in large weakspots)

British DD/CL regularly do 100+ hits and less than 1k damage because as per usual Gaijin made British ships utter trash. You might be right and that they penetrate but they do no damage after the armour or they just go through and through and leave a neat hole but no fire, no ammo explosion no effect at all. Just did 77 hits with Dido and did 500something damage and that was a mix of HE and APHE against Russian and German CL. 3 times I was ammo exploded in return. Note this was at range of 5-7km I was at angle and they were broadside on and taking no damage. Its a pointless nation to play on all fronts, on all modes, in air land or sea.