Gepard: AKA The Ruination of Tier 1 Tanks

[maitele]

I don't know about you, but I can't be the only one seeing a problem with the Gepard AA truck. Tier 1 Arcade rarely goes without at least SOMEONE bringing one of these out- if you see a German, chances are they'll be terrorizing you with this thing within a little while.

The data:

-Can pen nearly anything
A Gepard with it's API-T rounds can handily penetrate for criticals against all but the M3's upper glacis and certain angled shots (which can be compensated for via it's HVAP rounds, which have absolutely RIDICULOUS penetration for this tier). This means that lighter tanks (such as literally everything that isn't a well-angled STuG or an M3) are absolutely screwed the second a Gepard looks at them, and even if you ARE in a STuG or M3, there's no guarantee that one of the billions of follow up shots won't ruin you.
-Difficult Near impossible to attack
The Gepard's mobilitiy and insanely fast traverse mean that attacking it is a nearly hopeless endeavour- even if you manage to hit it before it gets you, it PROBABLY won't kill (this is from experience- a LOT of experience) and by then it's already turned and is shredding your paper tank to bits. And before you say "but it's thin armor means it's balanced!" the BT series of tanks has just as much armor, and it is an exceptionally good design for it's tier- the Gepard simply has an exponentially better gun.
-Easy Mode
In the very last game I played just tonight, I watched as a Gepard racked up 12 kills somewhere in Stalingrad within the first 5 minutes of a match. (I never found out where he actually was.) This is not the first (and probably not the last) time where I see a single Gepard absolutely maul our team. Gepard users can easily rack up tank ace with even minimal knowledge of positioning.
-The Key to an Easy Win
This one may be a little weird, but after having dealt with this tank for so long, it often feels like the team with the most Gepards on the field are almost guaranteed a win. This can be incredibly frustrating when you press Tab and see "Gepard" listed on nearly half the enemy team- it's not just a staple, it's a must-pick.

In general, this tank feels like it needs the following to happen:

-A buff to penetration or mobility
-A bump up to Rank 2

Without nerfing it considerably, the Gepard will never be a balanced tank in Tier 1- it absolutely has to go, in my opinion. It's already seen fairly regularly in Tier 2, albeit with significantly less utility, since most tanks can now resist it's killing power, but at least then it'll actually be doing it's real job- AA work, a place I feel it will probably still work perfectly well in T2.

What do you guys think? I'm pretty sure I won't ever have fun in T1 until this tank has something done about it.

[Eftwyrd]

Escrito originalmente por mitel:

What do you guys think?

i think you need to learn to be more concise because i couldnt be bothered to read that wall of text

i also think you are late to the party, the gepard and the flakpanzer 1 have been staples at early BRs since their releases, them being good is news to noone, how vulnerable they are should also be news to noone. just spray some 7.62 in their general direction and the 'problem' gos away, 50cals, HE or shrapnel shells are even better

edit: also "ruination of teir 1" , "a bump up to rank 2" , "It's already seen fairly regularly in Tier 2"... you do realize matchmaking is done by BR and teirs are meaningless except for unlocking vehicles right? you really are new...

[Majdus]

You play Rb or AB? On RB flakpanzer and gepard are more dangerous.

[maitele]

Escrito originalmente por Eftwyrd:

i think you need to learn to be more concise because i couldnt be bothered to read that wall of text

Ha ha, very funny. That's about as little as I can say on the topic.

Escrito originalmente por Eftwyrd:

i also think you are late to the party, the gepard and the flakpanzer 1 have been staples at early tiers since their releases, them being good is news to noone, how vulnerable they are should also be news to noone. just spray some 7.62 in their general direction and the 'problem' gos away, 50cals, HE or shrapnel shells are even better

And yet just today I've fought Gepards that easily absorbed mountains of 7.6/92 and tank shells from darn near point blank. The fact that nobody seems to get rid of them that quickly (and not without considerable losses) suggests that you're understating the difficulty of actually getting those hits off before it spots you. [Playing in AB probably makes this even worse, since being able to see them means they can also see you.]

Escrito originalmente por Eftwyrd:

edit: also"ruination of teir 1" , "a bump up to rank 2" , "It's already seen fairly regularly in Tier 2"... you do realize BR is what matters and teirs are meaningless right? you really are new...

By this, I meant putting it in a place where it cannot bother low-BR tanks like BTs and such, and the only tanks that are balanced in a fight against it are all Tier II, so it's much easier to say "put it there" than "raise the BR to an arbitrary number that I'd undoubtedly have to justify somehow despite the Gepard's current BR proving that the system is wack."

Escrito originalmente por Majdus:

You play Rb or AB? On RB flakpanzer and gepard are more dangerous.

Mainly AB- my computer is so bad that I can't really run the game at a resolution and framerate that'd allow me to play RB and not be murdered by tanks I could never have the hope of seeing or responding to. (I get 20fps on ultra low at 1366x768)

I doubt it's any less of a problem there, though.

[Eftwyrd]

the 'problem' goes away with a single shot of HE or fragmentation shell, if thats too hard then spray it with your mgs to kill the exposed crew, if you lack mgs or dont have HE/frag shells loaded put your first shot into the gun-breach to disable it. they're great at ambush but die the moment someone competent sneezes in their general direction. just wait till you see later tiers if you think the geppys bad. better you learn to play now so we dont get any more of these sh**posts

[Dr Mad]

Get good.
End of the story.

[Blamite Delight]

Escrito originalmente por Eftwyrd:

the 'problem' goes away with a single shot of HE or fragmentation shell, if thats too hard then spray it with your mgs to kill the exposed crew, if you lack mgs or dont have HE/frag shells loaded put your first shot into the gun-breach to disable it. they're great at ambush but die the moment someone competent sneezes in their general direction. just wait till you see later tiers if you think the geppys bad. better you learn to play now so we dont get any more of these sh**posts

"exposed crew" you mean that metal shield in front of the gunner right?

[Eftwyrd]

Escrito originalmente por ^3Maus!:

Escrito originalmente por Eftwyrd:

the 'problem' goes away with a single shot of HE or fragmentation shell, if thats too hard then spray it with your mgs to kill the exposed crew, if you lack mgs or dont have HE/frag shells loaded put your first shot into the gun-breach to disable it. they're great at ambush but die the moment someone competent sneezes in their general direction. just wait till you see later tiers if you think the geppys bad. better you learn to play now so we dont get any more of these sh**posts

"exposed crew" you mean that metal shield in front of the gunner right?

yes, that 10mm gunshield that only covers him from the front, that wont stop a 50cal, let alone a shot from your main gun, and rather conveniently has a rather large gap where his head is to make your job that much easier. thats exactly the exposed crew i meant

[Blamite Delight]

Escrito originalmente por Eftwyrd:

Escrito originalmente por ^3Maus!:

"exposed crew" you mean that metal shield in front of the gunner right?

yes, that 10mm gunshield that only covers him from the front, that wont stop a 50cal, let alone a shot from your main gun, and rather conveniently has a rather large gap where his head is to make your job that much easier. thats exactly the exposed crew i meant

theres no 50 cals at tier 1, but up close MG's can pen anywhere between 8-13 mm depending on the model.

[Blamite Delight]

if you want to get rid of the gepard youll also have to get rid of the panzer II C, panzer II DAK, panzer II F, Aufklarungspanzer 38 (t) and the flakpanzer 1. They all have 20mm guns.

[Dr Mad]

Escrito originalmente por ^3Maus!:

if you want to get rid of the gepard youll also have to get rid of the panzer II C, panzer II DAK, panzer II F, Aufklarungspanzer 38 (t) and the flakpanzer 1. They all have 20mm guns.

Get rid of all the vehicles in War Thunder.
Balance saved

[Eftwyrd]

Escrito originalmente por ^3Maus!:

Escrito originalmente por Eftwyrd:

yes, that 10mm gunshield that only covers him from the front, that wont stop a 50cal, let alone a shot from your main gun, and rather conveniently has a rather large gap where his head is to make your job that much easier. thats exactly the exposed crew i meant

theres no 50 cals at tier 1, but up close MG's can pen anywhere between 8-13 mm depending on the model.

the gepard is rated 2.3? and the US line begs to differ about those 50 cals

[Dr Mad]

Escrito originalmente por Eftwyrd:

Escrito originalmente por ^3Maus!:

theres no 50 cals at tier 1, but up close MG's can pen anywhere between 8-13 mm depending on the model.

the gepard is rated 2.3? and the US line begs to differ about those 50 cals

Gepard is 2.0 on AB

[Expo]

get good

[Dr Mad]

Escrito originalmente por expotom:

get good

How do I kill a King Tiger with my Gepard

[NAF-5th.Legion-Waffen.Div]

all nations have low BR SPAAs with those capabilities, learn to fight them,they are not OP.