Spain with props

[Bootleg Greedo]

So I've seen some videos and stuff (specifically by the orange doom) talking about this map and how it's so big even for a jet map, and this and that why it sucks. Being nowhere near jets myself, I just kinda nodded along and found another video to watch after. But having just played a match on there with tier 3 props, holy crap does that map suck. Went in with an HS 129 (the 37mm gunpod variant, not the 75mm), of course not knowing what map I was signing up for, and at my hefty top speed of around 340km/h (don't have many engine upgrades yet, just gun ones), it took me like 8 minutes just to find the enemy tanks. Then after attacking some ground targets and enemy players, it was another 7 or so minutes back to base, where I nearly ran out of fuel before landing. Then another 8 minutes back to the middle of the map with another ground attacker to try and find the enemy fighters and end the match one way or another. I'm sure it isn't AS bad with jets, but when your planes can't go 700km/h with no issue, it just takes way too ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ long to get around. Really confused as to why it's in the map rotation at 3.3 BR

[ShadZep]

Well.. in real life, the enemy and ally airfields weren't 2 miles from each other

[Bootleg Greedo]

and in real life they flew hours to fight each other. but it's a game, and I'd rather that my games didn't take half an hour when most of that is just afk flying. There's a balance between fun and realism that isn't being struck here imo

[ShadZep]

引用自 Bootleg Greedo：

and in real life they flew hours to fight each other. but it's a game, and I'd rather that my games didn't take half an hour when most of that is just afk flying. There's a balance between fun and realism that isn't being struck here imo

Having an open map to fight in is better than being in a tight square constantly turning around and around

[Illusionyary]

I've had this map in my AD-2 a few times, boy was that fun. Intercepted and shot down by enemy fighters before I even got halfway close to the ground targets.

[Bootleg Greedo]

I think there is a large difference between being in a "tight square" (not how I would describe any map outside of arcade), and being able to fly for 10 minutes and not see an enemy. with spotting range being like what, 10km? or so without any crew upgrades, and you could potentially be 30, 40 km from one of the last planes and neither of you know. I think the map could work better with more players, but as soon as there are only a few left and people have to base, it gets pretty gross.

[Kblocks]

don't have to fly back to your dumb base to reload in arcade

[Geno Killer]

I just want you to know I've twice had the map set to night battles, which causes the little black dots to blend in with pretty much anything and the spotting range is reduced to pretty much <1km.

Before that day I never realised that 20 minutes could be wasted by both teams looking for each other, and another 20 minutes for the remaining players to look for each other again. In the end it was an uptiered Stuka on our team which won the match for us.

[Geno Killer]

引用自 Kblocks：

don't have to fly back to your dumb base to reload in arcade

Not everybody rides with the training wheels on.

[Bootleg Greedo]

引用自 Geno Killer：

I just want you to know I've twice had the map set to night battles, which causes the little black dots to blend in with pretty much anything and the spotting range is reduced to pretty much <1km.

Before that day I never realised that 20 minutes could be wasted by both teams looking for each other, and another 20 minutes for the remaining players to look for each other again. In the end it was an uptiered Stuka on our team which won the match for us.

yeah I can't even imagine the map at night....at that point I think you would just have to call a truce and meet in the middle 4 grid squares or something haha

[Scheneighnay]

I actually like Spain because it gives bombers and attackers a fighting chance.

Even if it wasn't that size, the triangular layout is still good because it doesn't force bombers and attackers to head-on the bulk of the enemy fighters.

[Kblocks]

引用自 Geno Killer：

Not everybody rides with the training wheels on.

you're right they'd rather make a thread and complain about real battle flight time

[Bootleg Greedo]

I mean....I don't necessarily play war thunder for its real depiction of world war 2 combat. I know it's been gone over a thousand times, but if that was the case then plane and tank matchups would be vastly different, bombers would be in formations, etc etc. Of course planes flew long distances to battles in real life, but this is a game where I come to have fun, and having fun for me isn't spending half an hour flying in a straight line and 5 minutes in combat with air or ground targets. If it's fun for you then hey, cool. But having this map for mid tier props seems weird, and it's way too slow for the pace of almost every other map.

[Scheneighnay]

Also the map exists so we can laugh at people who run with 14 minute fuel loads.

[Futuristic Hexagon]

Spain isn't really a new map, it's been around for a while (though this one feels like a modification of it with some of the extra ships around and it being split up with USSR/DE vs. US/UK, where it normally was USSR vs. DE.)

With that said, I love the map, it actually lets all aircraft play to their strengths.

As for Jets, this is exactly the map we need. Or I guess you prefer the Mozdok Phonebooth.

This isn't the only map that we've had in rotation that is relatively huge. It's just that recently they had redid how the map roations work, so we're not seeing 30 battles of Norway in a row, or 30 battles of Korea and the like.

[Der Lachende Mann]

You guys want realism, you get realism... Spain in AB is quite fine ;)